Tommy Cool
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If you had revelation from God ...yes
Belief is within the confines of the written word ...or revelation from God.
Many today doubt that God exists, what convinces you that He does?
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If you had revelation from God ...yes
Belief is within the confines of the written word ...or revelation from God.
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Monsabre? said:
How would this even begin to make sense, unless there really was a "God"?
I think for me, faith is a journey, I'm already on my way - as Peter said "Where else would we go?"
Hi Robert ~ Nice thread!
Convinces me? A few things such as:
* Blessing when the impossible becomes manifested.
* The calming comfort when things become overwhelming when no relief logically seems possible.
* Answers to questions I ask of Him that manifest like a surprise gift out of the blue.
* The peaceful inner feeling I experience when I talk to Him.
Glory to God,
Taken
Agree as well….it is a journey; a wonderment, scary and hard at times, yet also calming. The mystery of knowing what shall be but not knowing when.
Glory to God,
Taken
As Martin Luther King said "Faith is taking the first step, when you don't see the whole staircase".
RR144
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Even from the standpoint of the skeptic, a reasonable and candid search into the unknown by the light of what is known will guide the unbiased, intelligent reasoner in the direction of the truth. Laying aside the Bible, and from the standpoint of reason alone, it can be observed that: Belief in a God is grounded in human nature. Man is so constituted as to desire to worship and venerate a Supreme Being, even as other desires – for food, shelter, companionship, knowledge, beauty, etc., are inbuilt. It's impossible to disprove the existence of God. A little thought will lead to the conclusion that to disprove God's existence one must know and thoroughly understand every being, principle, force, etc., in the universe; in other words, one must be omniscient.
Well, when I was at university I was introduced to evidence from history of the reliability and testimony of the gospel accounts. Reading the Case for Christ, The Case for Faith and then later Evidence that Demands a Verdict, convinced me of the reality of the faith.
Before that I was a christian.. but didn't know the real evidence. I thought most of the bible was myth, because in many liberal churches.. you can be a christian and not believe the bible. I had believed in Jesus as my Saviour, but wasn't taught you need to take the bible as it is, seriously.
So what did I learn in those books? The main thing was that Jesus' life, death and resurrection can be attested to as real events by evidence from history. If this is true.. then that makes Jesus God.
I know many would appeal to an experience they had in their life.. but I think this is more objective. The feelings come out of this kind of solid faith.. rather than the feelings and experience being the complete guide, in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing. I am not particularly a fan of MLK. Scripturally Faith (is a gift from God), which begins by one Hearing the Word of God.
I guess MLK meant that “taking the first step”, meant willing to exert the effort, go to where His Word is spoken and open ones ears and actually HEAR the Word of God.
It would be pretty cool for some Minister to rig up his bazillion dollar jet with sky writing capabilities and sky write Scriptures…
They will sir, and if the first resurrection has happened, they have. But no live being has seen God, as I do not believe the Bible is in error when the Scripture you mentioned states very clearly no man may see me and yet live.
Thanks for your testimony Chris, yes sir it does help to hear you sincere words sir.
Wow Joe, what a well thought out testimony, and a fresh approach to it as well. I salute you sir for taking the time to pen this. Yes sir, the biggest distinction between man and the animals is they worship some kind of God. I agree it is true, it would be unnatural to be an atheist. Thanks so much, I appreciate it.Scripture and the Existence of God
The Bible opens not with a proof of God’s existence, but with a pronouncement of God’s works: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” This foundational assertion of Scripture assumes that the reader not only knows already that God exists, but also has a basic grasp of who this God is. Throughout the Old Testament, belief in a creator God is treated as normal and natural for all human beings, even though the pagan nations have fallen into confusions about the true identity of this God. Psalm 19 vividly expresses a doctrine of natural revelation: the entire created universe ‘declares’ and ‘proclaims’ the glorious works of God. Proverbs tells us that “the fear of the Lord” is the starting point for knowledge and wisdom (Prov. 1:7; 9:10; cf. Psa. 111:10). Denying God’s existence is therefore intellectually and morally perverse (Psa. 14:1; 53:1). Indeed, the dominant concern throughout the Old Testament is not whether God is, but who God is. Is Yahweh the one true God or not (Deut. 4:35; 1Kgs. 18:21, 37, 39; Jer. 10:10)? The worldview that provides the foil for Hebrew monotheism is pagan polytheism rather than secular atheism.
This stance on the existence of God continues into the New Testament, which builds on the foundation of the uncompromising monotheism of the Old. In his epistle to the Romans, the apostle Paul insists that God’s “eternal power and divine nature” are clearly perceived from the created order itself. Objectively speaking, there can be no rational basis for doubt about the existence of a transcendent personal creator, and thus there can be no excuse for unbelief (Rom. 1:20). Endued with a natural knowledge of our creator we owe God our honor and thanks, and our failure to do so serves as the primary basis for the manifestation of God’s wrath and judgment. The apostle’s robust doctrine of natural revelation has raised the question of whether anyone can truly be an atheist. The answer will depend, first, on how “atheist” is defined, and second, on what precisely Paul means when he speaks of people “knowing” God. If the idea is that all men retain some genuine knowledge of God, despite their sinful suppression of natural revelation, it’s hard to maintain that anyone could completely lack any cognitive awareness of God’s existence. But if “atheist” is defined as someone who denies the existence of God or professes not to believe in God, Romans 1 not only allows for the existence of atheists – it effectively predicts it. Atheism might then be understood as a form of culpable self-deception.
Paul’s convictions about natural revelation are put to work in his preaching to Gentile audiences in Lystra and Athens (Acts 14:15–17; 17:22–31). Paul assumes not only that his hearers know certain things about God from the created order but also that they have sinfully suppressed and distorted these revealed truths, turning instead to idolatrous worship of the creation (cf. Rom. 1:22–25). Even so, his appeals to general revelation are never offered in isolation from special revelation: the Old Testament Scriptures, the person of Jesus Christ, and the testimony of Christ’s apostles.
Elsewhere in the New Testament, the question of the existence of God is almost never explicitly raised, but rather serves as a foundational presupposition, an unquestionable background assumption. One exception would be the writer to the Hebrews, who remarks that “whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him” (11:6). In general, the New Testament is concerned less with philosophical questions about the existence of God than with practical questions about how sinners can have a saving relationship with the God whose existence is obvious. As in the Old Testament, the pressing question is never whether God is, but who God is. Is Jesus Christ the revelation of God in human flesh or not? That’s the crux of the issue.
The Existence of God - The Gospel Coalition
The existence of God is evident from the creation itself, even though sinful human beings suppress and distort their natural knowledge of God.www.thegospelcoalition.org
Johann.
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Interesting I gave you an answer to the OP as to why I believe in God. And all you can do is falsely interpret scripture and attack me with ridicule. Mocking me.
Thanks Taken for the kind words and your input. I agree that one of the best inheritances is the peaceful feeling that the giving of glory to God gives us.
This is interesting, I was under the impression that most colleges would believe your following quote, unless it was a theological university.
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This is very interesting as well, many today do not even believe that Jesus actually existed as a real person. It is nice to learn that even secular higher learning promotes evidence as to his historicity. Thanks for your testimony sir, but in todays society you might seek out converting to LED's which might put your wattage footprint as lesser.
This is interesting, I was under the impression that most colleges would believe your following quote, unless it was a theological university.
See above
This is very interesting as well, many today do not even believe that Jesus actually existed as a real person. It is nice to learn that even secular higher learning promotes evidence as to his historicity. Thanks for your testimony sir, but in todays society you might seek out converting to LED's which might put your wattage footprint as lesser.
Hehe
Well, I learned the apologetics information from CRU that was on campus. I joined them as a student. They called themselves Tandem at Canterbury Uni.
There is no way my university was going to teach this. Religious studies at this uni was comparing religions and the lecturer was a non Christian.
Ive always liked apologetics since learning some of it. It got me off New Age like beliefs mixing with my Christian faith.
I think the Scripture is rather clear on that Dev, but you did make a extremely important point, I did ask and you did answer, so I truly apologize for not recognizing your testimony as being sincere sir. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, and give you my sincere apology. I will try to do better in the future Dev.
Aah! That did throw me a bit. It was similar with me in college taking as and elective a course of Philosophy, I quit shortly after the class began, no point in paying for what learning what I disagreed with. When a person accepts the Bible as God's word of truth, anything that contradicts that is really not open to discussion. I fully relate sir.
Yeah I pulled out of Religious Studies, seeing it was quite different to what I wanted to study. I didn't want an atheist telling me about christianity
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