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quietthinker

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Jesus said:
"They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".
This needs to be understood in the context of God's verdict on those that disobey him. Adam was promised death ie, cessation of life forever if he disobeyed. He was not promised eternal life in in torment.
If we understood what the hiding of the Fathers face meant it would be clear what torment means....it killed Jesus!
 

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This needs to be understood in the context of God's verdict on those that disobey him. Adam was promised death ie, cessation of life forever if he disobeyed. He was not promised eternal life in in torment.
If we understood what the hiding of the Fathers face meant it would be clear what torment means....it killed Jesus!
So true. That's why Jesus confirmed eternal punishment in Hell fire over and over. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.
 

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So true. That's why Jesus confirmed eternal punishment in Hell fire over and over. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.
If death meant eternal life roasting in flames then Jesus should still be there for bearing the sins of the world and the resurrection would never have taken place.
 

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If death meant eternal life roasting in flames then Jesus should still be there for bearing the sins of the world and the resurrection would never have taken place.
Jesus NEVER sinned and was never in Hell. Now you know.
 
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THIS JUST IN!!!

Pastor Mike Hoggard dedicates a show to the Mark of the Beast.

Fast forward to 40:00...


For those not familiar with Pastor Mike, he is very 'no-nonsense' and thorough with his research using lots of verses.
 

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Bible Names Are More Than Just Labels

Bible names often have special significance, particularly when given by God. For example, because Abram would become the father of nations, God changed the patriarch’s name to Abraham, meaning “Father of a Multitude.” (Genesis 17:5) God told Joseph and Mary to call Mary’s future child Jesus, which means “Jehovah Is Salvation.” (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31) In harmony with that meaningful name, through Jesus’ ministry and sacrificial death, Jehovah made possible our salvation.—John 3:16.

Accordingly, the God-given number-name 666 must symbolize what God sees as defining attributes of the beast. Naturally, to understand those traits, we need to identify the beast itself and learn about its activities.

The Beast Exposed

The Bible book of Daniel sheds much light on the meaning of symbolic beasts. Chapter 7 contains a vivid tableau of “four huge beasts”—a lion, a bear, a leopard, and a fearsome beast with big teeth of iron. (Daniel 7:2-7) Daniel tells us that these beasts represent “kings,” or political kingdoms, that rule in succession over vast empires.—Daniel 7:17, 23.

Regarding the beast of Revelation 13:1, 2, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible points out that it “combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast [of Revelation] represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.” This observation is affirmed by Revelation 13:7, which says of the beast: “Authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.”*

Why does the Bible use beasts as symbols of human rulership? For at least two reasons. First, because of the beastly record of bloodshed that governments have accrued over the centuries. “War is one of the constants of history,” wrote historians Will and Ariel Durant, “and has not diminished with civilization or democracy.” How true that “man has dominated man to his injury”! (Ecclesiastes 8:9) The second reason is that “the dragon [Satan] gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority.” (Revelation 12:9; 13:2) Accordingly, human rulership is a product of the Devil, thus reflecting his beastly, dragonlike disposition.—John 8:44;Ephesians 6:12.

“A Human Number”

A third clue to the meaning of 666 lies in its being “a man’s number,” or as The Amplified Bible puts it, “a human number.” This expression could not refer to an individual human, for Satan—not any man—has authority over the beast. (Luke 4:5, 6; 1 John 5:19;Revelation 13:2, 18) Rather, the beast’s having “a human number,” or mark, suggests that it is a human entity, not spirit or demon, and that it therefore manifests certain human traits. What might they be? The Bible answers, saying: “All [humans] have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) The beast’s having “a human number,” therefore, indicates that governments reflect the fallen human condition, the mark of sin and imperfection.

History bears this out. “Every civilization that has ever existed has ultimately collapsed,” said former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Kissinger’s honest appraisal testifies to this fundamental Bible truth: “To earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

Six Repeated Three Times—Why?

In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God’s eyes.

Six is one short of seven. Would it not be a fitting symbol of something imperfect, or defective, in God’s eyes? Yes, indeed! (1 Chronicles 20:6, 7) Moreover, six repeated three times, as 666, powerfully stresses that imperfection. That this is the correct view is supported by the fact that 666 is “a human number,” as we have considered. Thus, the beast’s record, its “human number,” and the number 666 itself all point to one unmistakable conclusion—gross shortcoming and failure in the eyes of Jehovah.

The Mark Identified

Immediately after disclosing the number 666, Revelation mentions 144,000 followers of the Lamb, Jesus Christ, who have his name and the name of his Father, Jehovah, written on their foreheads. These names identify the bearers as belonging to Jehovah and to his Son, about whom they proudly bear witness. Likewise, those having the mark of the beast proclaim their servitude to the beast. Thus, the mark, whether on the right hand or on the forehead, figuratively speaking, is a symbol that identifies its bearer as one who gives worshipful support to the beastlike political systems of the world. Those having the mark give to “Caesar” that which rightly belongs to God. (Luke 20:25; Revelation 13:4, 8; 14:1) How? By giving worshipful honor to the political state, its symbols, and its military might, to which they look for hope and salvation. Any worship that they render the true God is merely lip service.

In contrast, the Bible urges us: “Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:3, 4) Those who heed that wise counsel are not disillusioned when governments fail to deliver on their promises or when charismatic leaders fall from grace.—Proverbs 1:33.

This does not mean that true Christians sit back and do nothing about mankind’s plight. On the contrary, they actively proclaim the one government that will solve mankind’s problems—God’s Kingdom, which they represent.—Matthew 24:14.

God’s Kingdom—Mankind’s Only Hope

When on earth, Jesus made God’s Kingdom the main theme of his preaching. (Luke 4:43) In his model prayer, sometimes called the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus taught his followers to pray for that Kingdom to come and for God’s will to be done here on earth. (Matthew 6:9, 10) The Kingdom is a government that will rule over the entire earth, not from some earthly capital, but from heaven. Hence, Jesus called it “the kingdom of the heavens.”—Matthew 11:12.

Who is better suited to be King of that Kingdom than Jesus Christ, the one who died for his future subjects? (Isaiah 9:6, 7; John 3:16) Soon this perfect Ruler, now a mighty spirit person, will hurl the beast, its kings, and its armies into “the fiery lake that burns with sulphur,” a symbol of complete destruction. But that is not all. Jesus will also get rid of Satan, something that no human could ever do.—Revelation 11:15; 19:16, 19-21; 20:2, 10.

God’s Kingdom will bring peace to all its obedient subjects. (Psalm 37:11, 29; 46:8, 9) Even sorrow, pain, and death will be no more. What a glorious prospect for those who remain free of the mark of the beast!—Revelation 21:3, 4.
 

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Jesus NEVER sinned and was never in Hell. Now you know.
Don't miss the point kcnalp.....Jesus bore our sins, he was made sin for us. Now, you join the dots relevant to this discussion.
 

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No, He was made a "sin offering" for us. Read the OT.
Perhaps you could explain to me the difference between a sin offering and Jesus being made sin for us. Here are some references that might help. 2 Corinthians 5:21, Galatians 3:13
 

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Perhaps you could explain to me the difference between a sin offering and Jesus being made sin for us. Here are some references that might help. 2 Corinthians 5:21, Galatians 3:13
Ok, my study of the OT makes it clear. Jesus/Yeshua offered Himself as a sacrifice for our sins. Became sin? That doesn't even make any sense.
 
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Jesus NEVER sinned and was never in Hell. Now you know.

Jesus was in hell, parts of three days after his death, then God resurrected him. You just have to understand that hell is an English word that translates the Greek word Hades which is a greek word as I said and it was used to translate the Hebrew word sheol and all the word sheol was is a word they used symbolically to represent gravedom or a place where the dead righteous or unrighteous slept in death waiting to be resurrected back to life.
 

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Ok, my study of the OT makes it clear. Jesus/Yeshua offered Himself as a sacrifice for our sins. Became sin? That doesn't even make any sense.
The mis-construing is , as usual, from tradition many generations old. Most people are raised with mis-understanding, bad teachings, of the Bible, or likely even more with no knowledge of the Bible at all, ever. Right?
 

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Such false teachings, mis-direction, such base thinking, is rather to be exposed as UNBiblical - totally not from Scripture. Rather fables and myths, from demons or from men with wild imaginations in great error.

The face mask people are made to wear (if they give in), is closer to the 'mark' of the beast than the fables.
Oh, it is not yet "THE" mark - but a sign of how willing people everywhere are already, fully willing to receive the mark.... (from which , once THE mark is actually received, there is no repentance)

let's talk specifically about the mark.
Thus, the Mark is Transhumanism.
 
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I know and the more I study it the more I am learning....it could be tied to the mark in some way.

well its been my experience and the experience of many that when something says the exact same thing in two different places in the bible they are related, and not just some coincidence. of course there's no proof that I know that that's what John was saying, but zahab is the name of gold in Hebrew. and I don't know of any other place in scripture that states all of 666 or the wording thereof.
 

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Oh, it is not yet "THE" mark - but a sign of how willing people everywhere are already, fully willing to receive the mark.... (from which , once THE mark is actually received, there is no repentance)
Amen!!!
 

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Jesus was not in Hell!
Amen,
but without a willingness to search for the truth, which in this includes some time spent (maybe months) in finding the best from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek lives during the first century , with various and all harmonious lessons from God concerning that time frame, and the language(s), (or direct revelation, in line with all Scripture),
well, basically re-learning the truth as God revealed it , and as God reveals it, often if not almost always contrary to what people we meet today were taught ....
without a willingness to seek God's Kingdom, first and only,
there won't likely be a finding of the truth, as you already know 'somehow' (God's Doing - we have no boast except JESUS ! )
 

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Jesus was not in Hell!

Jesus was in hell, but like I said, the word "hell" is just an English word that when a translator of the scriptures who was translating the Greek language into English when they came across the Greek word, "Hades" they would translate it with the English word "hell." Hades was simply a symbolic word to represent the place where all mankind went to after death waiting for a resurrection, whether they be righteous or unrighteous. Therefore hell represented the same place, a symbolic place where all mankind went to after death, whether they be righteous or unrighteous. In other words hell wasn't a fiery torment place.
 

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If death meant eternal life roasting in flames then Jesus should still be there for bearing the sins of the world and the resurrection would never have taken place.
If the Jesus you are talking of were someone like you and me, yes. But Jesus is and was and ever will be God the Son <bearing the sins of the world>.