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God is not a party to any "civil" marriage, as "civil" is an invention of men and does not appear in the Holy Bible. Rather, the authority being referred to in your cited passage would be Godly authority (Lawful) and not the purported authority of the State (legal).
But neither is there any mention in the Bible of marriages taking place in a church building, or with a pastor leading the ceremony.
When God is removed as the basis for societal contracts (covenants as opposed to contracts), the tyranny of the State takes his place. And the State is a cruel master. Jesus said his yoke is easy and his burden light. How different it is with the State. God is not a respecter of persons; the State is.


You may not view it that way, but the State does. Because you have contracted with the State (ignorantly or otherwise), you will render to the State - and, if the State deems it necessary, by force.


Rather, a believer "must obey God" from the outset. Compromising with temporal powers whenever they seem to harmonize with God's Law can never lead to redemption. My God is a jealous God and he will not share his glory with another.
It's not a case of leading to redemption. That is entirely done by the Redeemer, Jesus Christ. We have commands in the Bible to honour, pray for, and obey our rulers. For example:

(1Ti 2:1 NKJV) Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
(1Ti 2:2) for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
(1Ti 2:3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,

(Tit 3:1) Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,

(1Pe 2:17) Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

The malevolence of the spirit empowering the State is only a matter of degree - not of geography.


There's the deception. Yes, you did 'bring the system...into your union'! You signed on, voluntarily, to the system. And you did it for one or both of these reasons:

1) You were afraid of the perceived consequences of disobedience to the State;
2) You signed one or more contracts with the State, joining the Living man to the dead corporate State, thereby giving the State jurisdiction over you.
No, I didn't sign a contract with the state when I got married. It wasn't a case the state saying, "You sign the marriage certificate, and we will do (whatever)." I was not afraid of the perceived consequences of disobedience to the State. As I have quote from Scripture above, we are commanded in the Bible to obey those in authority over us. That authority does not depend upon whether or not I sign a marriage certificate.
In the absence of the understanding of God as the head of the marriage covenant, the State has taken his place and wreaked havoc. The marriage contract/license has no meaning except for the purposes of the godless State...
I didn't sign a marriage contract, but a marriage certificate. I agree that God rules over all. But take that to its logical conclusion, and the state would do absolutely nothing.
 

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But neither is there any mention in the Bible of marriages taking place in a church building, or with a pastor leading the ceremony.
Indeed. We (the believers) are the church.

We have commands in the Bible to honour, pray for, and obey our rulers.
To which "rulers" have you submitted? That is the crux - because those are the "rulers" you will be required to render unto...

The majority do not discern they have a choice the matter.

(1Ti 2:1 NKJV) Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
(1Ti 2:2) for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
(1Ti 2:3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,

(Tit 3:1) Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,

(1Pe 2:17) Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
That all is describing Godly authority - not the pretender.

No, I didn't sign a contract with the state when I got married. It wasn't a case the state saying, "You sign the marriage certificate, and we will do (whatever)." I was not afraid of the perceived consequences of disobedience to the State.
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I didn't sign a marriage contract, but a marriage certificate.
They are the same thing. There is absolutely no difference.

CONTRACT. A promissory agreement between two or more persons that creates, modifies, or destroys a legal relation. Black's Law Dictionary, p. 394.

CERTIFICATE. A written assurance made or issuing from some court, and designed as a notice of things done therein, or as a warrant or authority, to some other court, judge, or officer. Black's Law Dictionary, p. 285.

As I have quote from Scripture above, we are commanded in the Bible to obey those in authority over us. That authority does not depend upon whether or not I sign a marriage certificate.
So you are admitting that your authority is the State. If not, then why did you sign the State's "marriage certificate"?

Again, the salient question remains: "To which authority have you chosen to submit?"

IOW, who do you look to, for the authority to do the things that you do? Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
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"""""""""""I would say that any marriage is valid before God if it is by consensual agreement
What about unbelievers who self-marry without any reference to GOD ?
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Colorado - do it yourself marraige ?
No witnesses required, any location, just the 2 of you.

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What I've seen in the Bible is that God recognizes the society's mores of marriage. So if the method in a certain culture of getting married is to slap each other 5 times with a Red Snapper, if the happy couple "Swing the Snapper", they've "tied the knot", and they are married, in God's eyes.

As I understand it.

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So if the method in a certain culture of getting married...then they are married, in God's eyes.
There's the deception --> The belief that such a marriage is "in God's eyes."

Rather, such a marriage has nothing in common with God and everything in common with the prevailing, pretending, purported authority of the day i.e. the godless State.
 

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My belief is that if a couple have consensual sex they are married in the sight of God ... which would mean an awful lot of people are living in adultery ... unless they have repented and asked forgiveness.
The samaritan woman that Jesus spoke with "and the one you have now is not your husband", the implication there is that sex did not make them wed. Same with Judah and Tamar, having consensual sex did not make them wed.

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There's the deception --> The belief that such a marriage is "in God's eyes."

Rather, such a marriage has nothing in common with God and everything in common with the prevailing, pretending, purported authority of the day i.e. the godless State.
Not so.

In every case where the Bible presents someone as having been wed in their culture, it accounts them to be wed. If you do what your culture counts as getting married, you are married in God's eyes.

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...consensual sex did not make them wed.
Think of all the funky refuse following "consensual sex": shotgun weddings, bastard children, STD's, ad nauseum.

In every case where the Bible presents someone as having been wed in their culture, it accounts them to be wed. If you do what your culture counts as getting married, you are married in God's eyes.
A Lawful marriage is not based on cultural norms.
 

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Legal is not the question.
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Would GOD in His eyes recognize AS MARRIED a fornicating unbeliever couple who decide to self-marry without any witnesses as allowed in Colorado ?

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God would know what was in their hearts, and in marrying according to the law of the land, yes, I believe so.

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A Lawful marriage is not based on cultural norms.
Is no one married who was not married in a church by a Christian pastor? I'm not buying it.

Genesis 20:17 KJV
17) So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare children.

How did Amimelech have a wife? No Christian pastors in Gerar.

Judges 4:17 KJV
17) Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.

Christian Kenite pastors?

Do you see what I'm saying here?

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The samaritan woman that Jesus spoke with "and the one you have now is not your husband", the implication there is that sex did not make them wed. Same with Judah and Tamar, having consensual sex did not make them wed.
Jesus said she had five "husbands".
The woman was at that time living with a man who was married to another woman ... so not her husband.

The Bible does not say what happened to Tamar but both the Genesis Rabbah and Talmud state that Judah accepted her as a wife though he had no further sexual liaisons with her according to Genesis 38:26.
 
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Indeed. We (the believers) are the church.
Agreed. That is why I was careful to say, "in a church building."
To which "rulers" have you submitted? That is the crux - because those are the "rulers" you will be required to render unto...

The majority do not discern they have a choice the matter.
What choice did the Jews of New Testament times have? Could they have said, "We don't like being under the rule of the Roman Emperor. We'll become an independent country again"? Of course they couldn't. In democracies we have a choice of who to vote for when there is an election, but by no means everybody votes for the candidate or the party who will eventually get into the parliament, senate, or whatever.
That all is describing Godly authority - not the pretender.
But the "authority" in those days was Emperor Nero.
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They are the same thing. There is absolutely no difference.

CONTRACT. A promissory agreement between two or more persons that creates, modifies, or destroys a legal relation. Black's Law Dictionary, p. 394.

CERTIFICATE. A written assurance made or issuing from some court, and designed as a notice of things done therein, or as a warrant or authority, to some other court, judge, or officer. Black's Law Dictionary, p. 285.
So you are admitting that your authority is the State. If not, then why did you sign the State's "marriage certificate"?
My marriage certificate is not a contract with the state. Here is the wording of my marriage certificate. As you will see, there is absolutely nothing there agreeing to any contract with the state:

"Registration District Newton Abbot
1985 Marriage solemnized at Wesley Church - East Dawlish in the District of Newton Abbot in the County of Devon
No.39 When Married: Sixth day of April 1985
(groom) Name and Surname: David John LAMB Age: 35 yrs Condition:Bachelor Rank or Profession:School Teacher Residence at time of Marriage:28 Prospect, Eastcliff Road, Dawlish Father's Name and Surname: Leslie Ronald LAMB Rank or Profession of Father: Tool Designer
(bride) Name and Surname:Jean Eileen McDONALD Age:32 yrs Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession:Nursery Nurse Residence at time of Marriage: 15 Clovelly Rise, Oaklands Park, Dawlish Father's Name and Surname: Ivor Alan McDONALD Rank or Profession of Father: Retired Social Worker
Married in the Methodist Church according to the rites and ceremonies of the Methodists by Certificate.
This Marriage was solemnized between us, D. Lamb, J.E.McDonald in the Presence of us,S. Lamb, I.A.McDonald and in the presence of John Lander, Authorised Person for the said Church, co-signed by Philip A.Grist, formerly pastor, Prettygate Baptist Church, Colchester."

All the certificate provides are the details of the marriage, such as who was married, where, when, etc.
Again, the salient question remains: "To which authority have you chosen to submit?"

IOW, who do you look to, for the authority to do the things that you do? Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
My ultimate authority is God Himself. If some other authority, like the national or local government, were to tell me to do something that God forbids, or not to do something that God commands, then I would have to disobey the earthly authority in order to obey God.
 

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My marriage certificate is not a contract with the state. Here is the wording of my marriage certificate. As you will see, there is absolutely nothing there agreeing to any contract with the state:
Even so, a legal marriage certificate enables people to access government entitlements ... well it used to, but these days schools refer to "care person 1" and "care person 2" ... mother & father have become old fashioned ... like me!
 

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Even so, a legal marriage certificate enables people to access government entitlements ... well it used to, but these days schools refer to "care person 1" and "care person 2" ... mother & father have become old fashioned ... like me!
Well obviously any government needs information about its citizens to enable it to know who is entitled to what. That doesn't make things like birth, marriage and death certificates into contracts with the government. I agree with your point about care persons 1 & 2. What ever is wrong with "mother" and "father"?
 

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Why?

Think about what is good and pure and nobel.
Rather than "Think of all the funky refuse", I should have said, "Take note of all the funky refuse..."

BTW, the words "legal" and "Lawful" are worlds apart...

[doctrox: A Lawful marriage is not based on cultural norms.] Is no one married who was not married in a church by a Christian pastor? I'm not buying it.
You've missed the gist. In fact, it's usually the State-credentialed "pastor" and the State-registered "church" that lead the way to corporate control over the majority of couples who don't know any better.

A "marriage" in a corporate church holds no import with a holy God.

A couple who do not believe in GOD are no longer Biblically guilty of fornicating simply because they chose to legally self marry ?
"A couple who do not believe in God" is already operating in dishonor - unbelievers are the walking dead as per scripture.

Agreed. That is why I was careful to say, "in a church building."
So a "church building" per se isn't necessarily associated with God. Why would a believer insist on validating his marriage in any building? (The traditions of men bring death.)

What choice did the Jews of New Testament times have?
What choice do you have today? Do you even discern that you do indeed have a choice? Or have you simply acquiesced to the dictates of the godless State? Most have.

Could they have said, "We don't like being under the rule of the Roman Emperor. We'll become an independent country again"? Of course they couldn't.
Of course they could! But beware, as one sin (and its bondage) inevitably leads to another. What may today be easy to confess and turn from, may tomorrow be most difficult...

Recall Samuel and how the people outright rejected the rule of God for an earthly king. And we know how that situation ended...

In democracies we have a choice of who to vote for when there is an election, but by no means everybody votes for the candidate or the party who will eventually get into the parliament, senate, or whatever.
Have you accepted the rule of the world's (or country's) democracy? Since no man can serve two masters, this would mean you have rejected the rule of God.

Democracy is a system of government where power resides with the people. Citizens participate in decision-making, exercising authority either directly or through elected representatives. The word originates from the Greek terms demos (the people) and kratos (power or rule), effectively meaning "rule by the people."

Short definition: democracy = mob rule. And mob rule, by definition, excludes God.

But the "authority" in those days was Emperor Nero.
...only if you had agreed to submit to him. Among the disciples, which do you think would say that his "authority" is Nero?

we have a choice of who to vote for when there is an election, but by no means everybody votes for the candidate or the party who will eventually get into the parliament, senate, or whatever.
When elections come up, people usually choose between the “lesser of two evils.” But we have to remember that there is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil, and there are no degrees of evil (James 2:10). So, whoever came up with that phrase, “the lesser of two evils” is a liar. And, when you do vote, you are not voting for the lesser of two evils, they admit that you are voting for evil.

It doesn't matter what promises anybody makes, they never keep them anyway. But what spirit are they of? Are they of Christ or are they anti-Christ? That's all we have to look at.

Why is it evil to elect men? Well, it's because you are electing men to rule over you. Similarly to what happened to Israel when they went to Samuel and told him they wanted to be ruled by men, like other nations (1 Samuel 8:4), and God said to Samuel, "they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7). Therefore, if we would vote to have men rule over us, when we have the offer of the Kingdom of God to rule over our hearts and minds (Philippians 4:7), we are rejecting God's rule over us.

There is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). This has to do with voluntary servitude. If you turn your back on God you become servants to men. When you go out and vote, you are saying, “I am a servant of men and I want these men to rule over me.” You are putting men in the place of God, and that's a usurpation of God and it's also idolatry. And if you're looking to men, God is not sufficient.

And you know, God has already given us a King (Acts 17:7). God did not leave anyone here to rule over us. Actually, Christ refused to set up a worldly kingdom. That was one of the temptations Jesus was tempted with in the wilderness. The Devil showed him “all the kingdoms of the world” (Matthew 4:8), and that must have been one of the greatest temptations that Christ was faced with, to set up a kingdom and rule the earth. I mean, just think of all the good he could have done!

And that's the kind of temptation that men think, when they say, “if only we could get a good man into power.” But, it's never going to happen because power corrupts, and another reason is the heart of man is evil (Genesis 6:5; 8:21, Ecclesiastes 8:11, Jeremiah 17:9). And you're pretty much at their mercy once you've given them approval.

The State is set in place for dishing out privileges. They claim to serve the public, but at the same time they don't freely give anything. There's a duty attached to everything, and that's not the way that we're supposed to give. We're not going to change anything by voting the right people in government, because even if we got the right people in, it still wouldn't change the heart of the people. It's the heart of the people that needs to be changed on an individual basis. We, individually, need to turn our lives over to the King of kings. Voting is not going to do any good, and people are beginning to realize that. That's why the voter turnout is so bad, and people are fed up with the fact that they can't change anything.

And the system is so corrupt that vote scam is so blatantly out in the open, and most people know that “the people” don't vote, and politicians get elected by those behind the scenes. Prior to the Civil was, there were no secret ballots, everyone voted in the open. The word “ballot” comes from “ball lot,” they cast their lot with either a white ball or a black ball (that's where the term “blackballed” comes from). But, with secret voting, the so-called powers that be can manipulate that vote any way they like, and that's why they keep their own people in power. And of course it's even better for them now with computers. The secret ballot originally came from Australia:

Australian Ballot: A system of secret voting whereby the voter indicates his choice of the candidates who have been nominated by a mark alongside the name of the candidate thus chosen. The system originates in Australia, whence its name. Rayden's Law Dictionary, 1954.

And that's why, today, we have no idea whether the actual vote count is true or not. All of the voting laws stem from the Reconstruction Acts after the Civil War. They passed a Voting Act in 1865-1866. Voting is an “elective franchise” and it is a “privilege” granted by the State. The word “privilege” comes from the Latin “privus” and “legis", and that means private law. So when you receive any kind of privilege from government, you are engaging in a private law, the law of the law merchant. That's what all the government officials are for, for this corporate government, which exists for business, for the economy. And the word economy is just another word for mammon (Luke 6:9-13). So you're electing those to give you all the privileges of the wealth of the world. To a large extent it's socialistic. But when you're engaged in a private law, you're not involved in the Law of God, which is NOT private law. You turn your back on God when you look to those things.

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When you look at the definition of “bribe” we always think of a bribe to a government official as the only kind of bribe there is. But what about when they make all these promises of what they're going to do for you and everything if you'll vote for them, that's really a bribe also. And I think everyone should consider that. When politicians make all kinds of promises, they're saying, “I'll do this for you if you vote for me.” That's the same thing as a bribe.

Bribe: “Anything of value, any gift, advantage or emolument, any price, reward or favor. Any money, goods, right in action, property, thing in value, or any preferment, advantage, privilege or emolument, or any promise or undertaking to give any asked, given or accepted, with a corrupt intent to induce or influence action, vote, or opinion, or person in any public or official capacity. It is a gift not necessarily for pecuniary value bestowed to influence the conduct of the receiver and must be of substantial value to him.” Black's Law Dictionary.

So what you see is when these politicians make all these promises, they are really bribing you for your vote.

"Bribery: A candidate for a judgeship who pledges himself, if elected, to serve at a less salary than that provided by law, virtually bribes the masses to vote for him." A Dictionary of Law, William C. Anderson, page 136.

And once the vote is cast, then they break their promises all the time. So, they're actually offering a bribe, and not necessarily coming up with it.

“Every people looks primarily to its own benefit...Every government is organized selfishness. It is constituted for the food of its constituents. The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America embodies this explicitly as the object of its adoption. It is the embodiment of a scheme, devised by the people of the United States to form a more perfect union of states then imperfectly united, to establish justice among themselves, to insure their domestic tranquility, to provide for their own defense, to promote their general welfare and to secure the blessings of liberty, not to the world at large, but to themselves and their prosperity.” (A Yale Law Review from 8 Yale Law 159, page 165, which is from a book called The People Of The United States, Simeon E. Baldwin, 1899).

This fellow was a lawyer, so they know what government is all about, and its all for the benefit of the people. We don't find Christ there, it's men ruling other men, giving benefits to one another. And when the natural man gives a benefit to you, there's a duty attached to it. There's no “freely” giving (Matthew 10:8) and expecting nothing in return, as scripture tells us. We are not to touch the unclean thing (2 Corinthians 6:17), and when you vote and become a beneficiary of the franchise, you are joining yourself to the unclean. And we have to take those things into consideration.

Every man believes he has a right in the outcome of the destiny of society. This is a myth. If God directs men to move in a way that's led by God, then no vote can change the Will of God. The “voter registration” is secular man's faulty reasoning that he, in and of himself, can save all, if you just give him enough power, more money, more…more…more…and still more. As soon as you put your “X” on that thing that votes for that politician, you become part of the world, you voted to be ordered around. The politician needs your consent to crack a whip over your head, make you feel like the animal that you have partaken of. You are now part of the zoo of humanity.

Bondmen of Christ cannot vote because that would be violence or force. We are not into using force, you cannot force the Kingdom of God, you cannot force people to love, you cannot force your love on others, you cannot force people to be free, because that requires violence to enforce it. And "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (2 Corinthians 10:4).

In the Old Testament, the people "voted" to kill Joshua and Caleb (Numbers 14:10). Right after they voted, God said, "...How long will this people provoke me? ...I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them," (Numbers 14:11-12), but Moses asked for mercy and God pardoned their evil ways. In the New Testament, during the trial of Christ Jesus, Pontius Pilate let the people "vote" between Barabbas and Jesus as to who they wanted set free (Matthew 27:17). The Pharisees whispered lies in the people's ears so they would vote the way they wanted them to vote. This "voting privilege" allowed Jesus to be crucified!

By receiving a privilege or benefit from the government, we are gaining the favor of rulers; but scripture says, "Many wait on the favor of rulers; but justice comes to a man from the LORD" (Proverbs 29:26). In other words, those who look to the favor of governments will not really get justice, which is one reason why many people complain there is no justice in today's courts, no matter WHO they vote for. Why? Because voting does not bring about justice, in brings about injustice! Why does in bring about injustice? Because people do not "vote" to do God's Will, they "vote" to have people do their own will, for selfish reasons, and the consequences of selfishness is always injustice.

In conclusion, voting is very unscriptural.

"Registration District Newton Abbot
1985 Marriage solemnized at Wesley Church - East Dawlish in the District of Newton Abbot in the County of Devon
No.39 When Married: Sixth day of April 1985
(groom) Name and Surname: David John LAMB Age: 35 yrs Condition:Bachelor Rank or Profession:School Teacher Residence at time of Marriage:28 Prospect, Eastcliff Road, Dawlish Father's Name and Surname: Leslie Ronald LAMB Rank or Profession of Father: Tool Designer
(bride) Name and Surname:Jean Eileen McDONALD Age:32 yrs Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession:Nursery Nurse Residence at time of Marriage: 15 Clovelly Rise, Oaklands Park, Dawlish Father's Name and Surname: Ivor Alan McDONALD Rank or Profession of Father: Retired Social Worker
Married in the Methodist Church according to the rites and ceremonies of the Methodists by Certificate.
This Marriage was solemnized between us, D. Lamb, J.E.McDonald in the Presence of us,S. Lamb, I.A.McDonald and in the presence of John Lander, Authorised Person for the said Church, co-signed by Philip A.Grist, formerly pastor, Prettygate Baptist Church, Colchester."
Thank you! That you would post your marriage particulars can be of great benefit to truth seekers!

Who maintains the original? You, or the corporation? Do you understand the purpose of that? You wilfully brought the pastor/celebrant/corporate agent into your union when he signed off (aka "solemnized") on the corporation's marriage certificate (which original remains in the safekeeping of the State as a warehouse receipt, p. 1755 ).

This is indeed a contract, as your signature was required. (Also, no doubt, payment was required. It is a transaction; as busine$$ is being transacted). There is so much info that can be extracted from your document. But I will try to keep it cursory at this point. I've bolded certain legal words in the contract, the use of which is governed by the lex mercatoria (Law Merchant) and which binds the signatory (you) to commercial contract law.

No one forced you to bring the corporation into what should have been a Lawful covenant between you and God. Rather than following God's order, you gave in to the fear of the godless State and tradition e.g. the advice of your parents, rellies and friends. And you did that because you didn't know what God requires of his covenant; you didn't know that there was any other way but through the traditions of men.

Because the hour is very late, and folks demand the easy answer, I have included something below that lays out where you stand regarding the obligation you have to the State via your marriage contract. While the described scenario has taken pace in Arizona, the application is universal, as the perp's all follow the same commercial law.

This is HOT --> Marriage Licenses: The Real Truth - Enlightening Conversation with a Marriage License Bureau

My ultimate authority is God Himself. If some other authority, like the national or local government, were to tell me to do something that God forbids, or not to do something that God commands, then I would have to disobey the earthly authority in order to obey God.
You will have no relevant scripture to back up that compromising opinion. It is the worldly default position, the cop-out, the lie we tell each other because we hope that such commiseration will ea$e the pain of our bondage. No man can serve two masters.

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Even so, a legal marriage certificate enables people to access government entitlements ...
Now we're getting down to the crux of the matter: $$$

There are many "who justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Every "benefit" has "duties" attached... Virtually no one reads the fine print of the contract they signed (they want only the benefit) - until push comes to shove...

Most are in a pickle because they're serving two masters. They go ahead and buy into it and strike hands with the heathen (that's disobedience) and then cry when the "duty" hammer comes down. They're angry and looking for others to commiserate with, twisting the word of God, attempting to justify their ungodly behavior e.g. allegiance to a second master aka the State.

Well obviously any government needs information about its citizens...
It sure does! because the "government" in question is not the Lawful Authority at all. It is the pretender, the usurper, led by the prince of usurpers himself who wants to be like God but who comes only to steal and to kill and to destroy. Have we had a gutful yet? BTW, citizen = A member of a nation or body politic of the sovereign state or political society who owes allegiance (Black's Law Dictionary, p. 310)

to enable it to know who is entitled to what.
Ahhh, as to determine who gets how much $$$. In addition to the voter franchise scam exposed previously, there is further proof of the nature of the scam. Here at New Zealand, the State requires its "citizens" to be be enrolled to vote, but it is optional to vote. Think about that; the State would demand you enroll, but does not care if you actually vote. ROFL!

The scam in this country is now at the point where the worldly "authority" does not mandate that its subjects vote, but it does mandate that they register to vote. IOW, for "citizens" of the soulless State, it is illegal (but not unLawful by God) to fail to register to vote. Essentially, with the world's purported authority, one's vote is irrelevant, but knowing the numbers of its "citizens" registered to vote allows the perp's to more profitably manage their citizen/$lave portfolio.

Recall what happened to David when he numbered the people for evil purposes (2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21).

That doesn't make things like birth, marriage and death certificates into contracts with the government. I agree with your point about care persons 1 & 2. What ever is wrong with "mother" and "father"?
Right off the bat, have you ever given thought as to why, when you marry, the godless corporation/State/government would require your signature on a contract? Better to deal with that issue now, than with the enforcement consequences of that choice later...
 
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