Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows here today!

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Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be """the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"""
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be """famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."""
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows here today.

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be """caught up """together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Are you ready to be caught up (raptured) and meet Jesus in the clouds!
 

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Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be """the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"""
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be """famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."""
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows here today.

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be """caught up """together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Are you ready to be caught up (raptured) and meet Jesus in the clouds!


Where do you keep getting this rapture from?

Let's start with Matthew

Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

This mount of Olives is less then a mile from the eastern gate of the temple city. Jesus is alone with His disciples, and this matter bothered them as to what would it be like at His second coming, and the end of this earth age.

Jesus went to great detail of what the events and signs would be just before His second advent, that would mark the end of this flesh age.

Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you."

This is the number one warning, "Take heed that no man deceive you." Deception will be the foremost thing to guard against in the latter days, that will consummate the end of this age. This means that these events will not happen all at one time, but will take place over a period of time. These warnings or signs that Jesus is about to give us, are the seven seals that are given us in the Book of Revelation.

These are an exact overlay of the seven events, which are the seven seals that we should be watching for today. At the end of Matthew we will include the thirteenth chapter of Mark, which is an overlay of Matthew twenty four. These events will be spelled out before we are finish, but again, Don't let anyone deceive you.

Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, 'I am Christ;' and shall deceive many."

How can you make sure you are not deceived? You check it out in God's Word, and the Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek numbered dictionaries are a good place to start. Many ministers teach traditions that just don't check out what Christ said. Though their intentions are good, their doctrine will cause you to be deceived. It is your soul that is at stake here. What value do you place upon your soul.

There are many that will put on the robe of the minister, and call themselves preachers. I come in the name of Christ, to represent He that died on the cross to save your soul. There will be many different denominations at that time, and many different forms of fellowships. But again, What was the first warning? Be careful, don't let them deceive you.

Remember that it was the religious community that brought about the crucifixion of Christ. It was the religious community that stole form the people, and rejected Christ with the strongest voice, and even to this day they reject teaching His Word chapter by chapter and verse by verse. There are some that do teach the right way though.

Most churches today though, teach the traditions of their forefathers, and not the Word of God. They make void the Word of God by their doctrines.

Matthew 24:6 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

There has never been a century of so many wars as there has been in the 1900s. Two of the wars included every nation on the earth, while there have been wars of nations, and peoples within nations. Wars of races, and wars of religions. We see that there are conflicts in Africa, and Europe, and as long as these conflicts are going on, you know that the end simply can not come; "but the end is not yet."

We are entering a different time, in this generation. We hear of wars, but for the first time in History, using the modern technology and the use of satellites, communication is as simple as lifting up a telephone to communicate around the world. When Prime minister Rabin of Israel was killed, and was laid to rest, people in every part of the world observed the events. These conflicts will keep going on in every part of the world, and it is a sign that the time of Christ's return is close, but not yet. There are other things and events [signs] that must come to pass also prior to the second advent.

Before the end comes there will be the cry of peace, and the entire world will go into a "New World Order", a new age government that will govern the affairs of all mankind as equals. This age started over forty years ago, and today has every nation in the world in it's charter as members. What is the opposite of wars and rumors of wars? It is peace, and rumors of peace. When the focus changes from war to peace, then that is the time to pay special attention.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes, in divers places."

Amos wrote of this famine that shall come in the end times. Remember back in verse four when we were warned against people deceiving us? In Amos 8:11; "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the Lord: The famine is not for bread, my friend, it is for the truths of God's holy Word. God's truths are becoming deluded down where what is taught is an outright lie. The absolutes of the Commandments and being shaded by the scripture lawyers, the same as happened with the scribes and Pharisees.

Major earthquake intervals are now weekly in the world, where in the past there were centuries between these events. These quakes are now even happening where they are completely unexpected.

Matthew 24:8 "All these are the beginning of sorrows."

This word "sorrows" in the Greek is "Ydin", and means birth pangs. The word is used only here and in Mark 8, and marks the beginning of the travail of childbirth. The number in Strong's Dictionary is 5604, and this is important, because it reflects the intervals between the events of the signs of the end times.

This translation loses the message that Christ is telling us; for He is saying that when we see this happening, it is the start of the birth of a new age. In other words, it marks the approach of the birth of the second advent, or coming. The events that mark the end will be growing closer and closer together, and when it reaches a point, the birth will begin.

Then you left off verse 9

Matthew 24:9 "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."

Guess you all will be raptured before v9
 

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Now lets look at Thess

I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."

The next five verses lay the foundation to what is called the "rapture theory". That is all it is, is a theory; and unproven idea. As we study our Father's Word; set aside all preconceived ideas you have about a rapture, and let's see what Paul is trying to tell the Thessalonians.

It is from these verses that the "rapture theory" was born. Let's see just how willing you are to bet your soul on it, when we take a fresh look at what Paul really said. Because that is what you are doing when you rely on it in the last days.

After Paul told the Thessalonians to live right in the community, and search their souls for sin in their lives, they were then to repent of any sin. Paul moved next to what happens when death comes to this flesh body. This topic is important to Paul, for it is the stabilizing factor to the Christian life. It removes the fear that comes from the unknown of ones death. Paul gives this information for one reason, and that is, that we not be ignorant as the heathen are. In other words, Paul doesn't want Christians stupid.

This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].

It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.

Regardless what chapter nine of Ecclesiastes says concerning the flesh body; when this flesh body is dead, the soul is gone from it, and the flesh is left to rot. It is difficult to see how they made a "rapture theory" out of this, when the subject is, "where are the dead?" So we see that when one dies, his soul goes immediately to be with our Heavenly Father. If you believe this, you are not heathen.

I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."

This, Paul states, is not his words, but it is from the Word God gave to him. Where? Ecclesiastes 12:7, that is where it is written.

"We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.

Paul, in another writing, told us exactly; as far as the return of Jesus Christ, when we would be gathered back to Him. That goes also for when we would see those who are asleep [dead], and that exact moment is at the sounding of the seventh [last] trumpet. It will happen very quickly, in the wink [twinkling] of an eye. I Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us we will not go away to any place, but stay right here on earth. We are going to be changed into our new Spiritual bodies, and put off these flesh bodies.

Paul says, "Behold I show you a mystery". In other words, Paul is going to reveal something so we will not be ignorant about it. "We shall not all sleep [die] but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:51 Changed to what? The same thing the dead are, and that is the subject. All those still in the flesh body, at a certain moment [the sounding of the seventh trumpet] will shed this flesh body [corruptible and perishable body] and take on the new "incorruptible" body. Friend, That is the hope and salvation of the Christian.

To document this, in I Corinthians 15:50 we are told that "flesh and blood cannot inherit", or face Jesus Christ in His kingdom. Christ's kingdom will cover the entire earth, and that is why the flesh body must perish. The time of this change comes at the seventh trumpet, which is the last trump, and stated in verse 52, "for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed".

Those who are even dead spiritually will be raised in an incorruptible body. That is a body that doesn't get sick, or grow old; in other words, it is your spiritual body.

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

The Lord is going to descend, at the seventh trump [the last trump]. Why will the dead in Christ rise first? Because they are already there, and with Him. All we have to do now is go to the book of Revelation, and find out in detail when this will be. We find out what events will occur just prior to this seventh trump sounding, and then when we see these certain events taking place before our eyes, we will know our Lord will return to earth next. Then the trump will sound, and the gathering will take place, and we will be changed from our flesh bodies to our spiritual bodies. And not one day before.

Many people have images of massive numbers of people flying away, with all sorts of accidents taking place; however, the Bible doesn't tell us it will be in that manner. In Revelation 11, it tells us exactly three and a half days prior what will happen, and the whole world will know about it, for it is no hidden mystery. That is when the Antichrist will end his reign by killing God's two witnesses, and send the world into a three and a half day party of celebration.

In Revelation 11 the world will know the two witnesses, for the disruption they have caused, and the world will watch as they are killed, and their dead bodies are put on display in a wide street [arena]. Are you still looking for a rapture, well my friend, at the end of the three and half day period it will be a time of great shame for you, For as Revelation 9:4 points out, the truth will not be sealed in your mind, and God is going to turn you over to Antichrist. The "rapture theory", could be the death warrant of your very soul, or a commitment of your soul to great shame. If you believe in the "Rapture theory" you will be on the side of Antichrist, and will fly with anyone, because you just don't understand the Word of God.

Remember, Two bodies will be in the streets of Jerusalem for three days, causing a world wide massive party...that is your warning just before Jesus Christ return to this earth. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I Thessalonians 4:17
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Thessalonians 4:18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Paul was a Hebrew scholar, not a Greek scholar. He studied under one of the greatest Hebrew teachers of His time. Paul spoke street Greek. The word "cloud", Paul used to express a fact of many people gathering into one body.

In Hebrews 12:1, they are gathering to run a foot race. When they run, the racers bunch up into a pack, This bunching of the runners, Paul calls a "cloud". "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,"

You and all others who believe in a rapture can,however I must try an not let others be deceived
 

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Those that are not looking for or are rejecting the rapture (catchng up of believers) will NOT be caught up.

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be """caught up """together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Are you ready to be caught up (raptured) and meet Jesus in the clouds!
 

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Serious worldwide biblical pestilences are here today!! Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be """the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"""
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be """famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."""
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows here today.

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be """caught up """together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Are you ready to be caught up (raptured) and meet Jesus in the clouds!
 

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Serious worldwide biblical pestilences are here today!! Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be """the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"""

Okay, from your own post Matt 24:3 to be exact,how can this rapture happen at any time when He just told you things must happen first?
 

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I don't reply to your topic just because,it's only because I know your wrong and you leading people astray ,but be that as it may,in reading your post I can see you love God.Your teaching is wrong and I see I can't convince you of that,yet I can't stand by and let you do that to those who maybe just coming to the Lord!!
 
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Are you ready to be caught up (raptured) and meet Jesus in the clouds![/QUOTE

According to 1st Thessalonians (one of your quotes) the rapture is concurrent with the 1st resurrection. The book of the revelation of Jesus Christ places the 1st resurrection after the great persecution of Christians by the antichrist:
Revelation 20:4-6
While there are great persecutions of Christians going on now, the one world government hasn't yet been instituted, nor has the mark of the beast yet been established as a requirement for commerce. If you're hoping to miss the judgments against all flesh, pray that the Lord take you quickly through plague, war, or possibly beheading.
Have you ever heard the popular expression (and Billy Joel lyric) "only the good die young"?
It isn't true, but does express the mercy of God in sparing some people from the tribulations of life. God knows what temptation we are able to bear, so some will be spared the "hour if trial" which will come upon the whole earth. Yet, the strong will stand to give testimony until the last two witnesses are martyred, and to minister to the suffering.