rebuilder 454
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Yup.
According to Jesus, one is taken and one left behind.
Only 50% of the church will be ready.
At that point, those left behind will stop playing church.
Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?
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According to Jesus, one is taken and one left behind.
Only 50% of the church will be ready.
At that point, those left behind will stop playing church.
Yes it is.
No man can buy or sell worldwide without the mark of the beast. The great tribulation will affect the whole world.
This is where you are making a big error in understanding.
Pre wrath is not pre great tribulation.
The wrath of God is the 7th seal, 7 trumpets / 7 vials. The wrath of God is when God pours out His vengeance on an unbelieving world. The wrath of God lasts ONE YEAR.
As for the great tribulation it is over at the 6th seal and is marked by the sun and moon being darkened and the stars falling from heaven. The great tribulation is brought against believers after the abomination of desolation is set up in the midst of the final week.
Again..........pre wrath is NOT pre great tribulation. Believers are not appointed to wrath. However, believers are appointed to great tribulation.
The Church is not appointed to the great tribulation. The great tribulation begins in the middle of the week. The Church is raptured to heaven BEFORE the great tribulation.
There is a second rapture that will occur before the wrath of God. It is for the 12 tribes across the earth. When the dragon cannot get to the woman, Israel, because she has fled to a place of protection, he goes after her seed which are the Jews around the world. It is the Jews around the world that are raptured before the wrath of God at the 6th seal.
amigo de christo
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not quite my friend . close but no cigar just yet .
But you are on to something .
Notice he says BUT WHERE LORD . and JESUS said wheresoever the vultures , eagles are gathered
their will the bodies be . THAT MEANS that ON HIS DAY
all who had rejected and all who had denied Him , THEY GONNA BE BIRD FOOD my friend . As in
DEAD and rotted , as in WHEN that door closes ALL OUTSIDE gonna wail and wail and wail
but they will have NO HOPE and NO DELIVERANCE . DENY JESUS and see WHAT YOU GET .
And seeing NO MAN KNOWS the day or hour OF HIS COMING , nor even the day of their own death
I SUGGEST WE GET REAL busy exposing that ecumeincal anti christ interfaith al linclusive satanic love
AND FAST . cause them nimrods actaully believe its gonna bring PEACE N SAFETY ON this earth .
WELL if by peace n saf ety THEY MEAN THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUcTION , WELL THEN .
WE ARE RUNNING and RUNNING OUT OF TIME WE ARE MY FRIEND . an dtoo many now suckle
from the paps of a whore who has p umped a false love cup of forn ication and an anti christ peace TO THEM ALL .
amigo de christo
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Where LORD . whesoever the body is their will the VULTURES be gathered .
TO FEAST ON THEIR DEAD and ROTTED bodies . For they DENIED THE VERY CHRIST OF GOD .
THEY sat and bought the Love of a harlot as though it were the LOVE OF GOD .
and yet that love had silenced the very words of GOD in said bible that did expose their sin
and it threw out the very true sheep who did warn them to repent of such sins
and did so saying GOD IS LOVE . USING even the name of JESUS to support sin .
AND NOW they all clambor like troops running to a harlots house , a harlots love
SHE SAYS IS OF GOD
and by means of her ecumeincal interfaith SOLD THE GOSPEL OF JESUS OUT for a lie that said
ALL RELIGOINS be serving the same God a christain does .
NOW when JESUS DOES RISE UP and OH YES HE IS GONNA SHUT THAT DOOR ALL RIGHT .
That ARK DOOR that IS HIS BODY and the only way IN was BY FAITH IN HIM .
OH HE will come as wrath against THEM ALL . ME thinks you might have a far better understanding
than the other man does .
rebuilder 454
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amigo de christo
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if the door be shut , as you say it will be , AND YEs IT WILL bE .
dont expect a second chance for those outside .
JESUS never gave such a thought . As we see real clearly with the parable of the ten vrigins .
WHEN HE CoMETH , and HE WILL , HE Will c ome for his saints
and WILL DELIVER the RIGHTEOUS WRATH AND RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF THE HOLY GOD
upon the beast , fp , ALL WHO FOLLOWED IT TOO . but for us
WE had better be prepared , prepared TO BE HATED and even killed for JESUS .
Cause what has occured in times past an dstill does in foreign countries
WELL ITS comING with blood against even the sheep in western socities and round the world .
SAY HELLO to satans AI GLOBAL SYSTEM by which an image that can speak
WILL SURELY cause the death of those who did not conform to its all inclusive love god
WHO WAS NEVER GOD NOR HIS LOVE . it was THE DEVIL IN WOOL and his minstirs in wool and the false religoions of this world .
THEY DID NOTHING but sell their people a false love by which to MERGE the DEciEVED of chrsitendom
with the false religoins and all who did so would beleive it was the path to peace n safety .
WHEN GUESS what it really was all along . like king ahab , IT was a lying ecuemeincal false love spirit
sent out to the world to gather those who had rejected JESUS , and thus beleived the lie that merges th em all
as though it were the love and peace plan of GOD . WHEN NO SIR IT WAS NOT . IT WAS OF SATAN , it was of anti christ
an d it was meant for their own sudden destruction ON THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST .
amigo de christo
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.my advice , BRING LIGHT to them NOW . because all left behind WILL BE DAMNED on the g erat and mighty day
WHEREIN JESUS does come for his church and to lay down the wrath of THE HOLY ONE
and ONLY ONE WHO IS THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE of all , GOD ALL MIGHTY .
DONT , DO NOT , DONT and DO NOT GIVE OUT false hope . cause if you do
THER BLOOD BE ON YOU . and you gotta know that means . IT MEANS YOU WONT BE GOING UP
YOU WILL BE GOING DOWN WITH THEM ALL ON JESUS DAY . STOP offerin up false hope
and oFFER UP the dire nEED to believe on JESUS NOW
and that HE IS NO MINISTIR OF ANY SIN or UNBELIEF . or you , LIKE THEY will WAIL on JESUS DAY . that is a fact .
AND its one i dont want you to suffer . SO STOP the false hope and give the REAL HOPE .
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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 13 - New King James Version
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The Narrow Way
22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
Once Jesus shuts the door, no one else may enter.
He even points out that where those who seek to enter go is weeping and gnashing of teeth, not a great tribulation but HELL
They did not obey the voice of God to repent and believe in Christ and now it is too late for them. Jesus says MANY will seek to enter and will not be able.
I don't get why people do not believe these words of Christ, and they add on all sorts of things too.
Jesus says His return will be like the time of Noah
Genesis 7:16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.
Genesis 7
Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. 2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; 3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep [a]the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will [b]destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.
7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On the very same day Noah and Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark— 14 they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.
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The Lord shut him in, the Lord will shut the door, and no one else may enter into His presence and be saved, it is the end of the world-age
Perhaps some banged their fists on the ark and sought to enter, but they were the unrighteous and the time of their destruction was ripe.
It was their end.
Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Genesis 7:16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.
Genesis 7
Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. 2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; 3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep [a]the species alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will [b]destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.” 5 And Noah did according to all that the Lord commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.
7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, 9 two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On the very same day Noah and Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark— 14 they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life. 16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.
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The Lord shut him in, the Lord will shut the door, and no one else may enter into His presence and be saved, it is the end of the world-age
Perhaps some banged their fists on the ark and sought to enter, but they were the unrighteous and the time of their destruction was ripe.
It was their end.
Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
When Christ comes in His Full Glory and with the Glory of the Father, flesh can not see His face and live, all unsaved flesh will be consumed by the brightness of His coming.
Exodus 33
14 And He said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
15 Then he said to Him, “If Your Presence does not go with us, do not bring us up from here. 16 For how then will it be known that Your people and I have found grace in Your sight, except You go with us? So we shall be separate, Your people and I, from all the people who are upon the face of the earth.”
17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
1 Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[a] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
Exodus 33
14 And He said, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
15 Then he said to Him, “If Your Presence does not go with us, do not bring us up from here. 16 For how then will it be known that Your people and I have found grace in Your sight, except You go with us? So we shall be separate, Your people and I, from all the people who are upon the face of the earth.”
17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”
- Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Fatherwith His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
- Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Fatherwith the holy angels.”
- Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
1 Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[a] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [b]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
Davy
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Per Revelation 16:15-17, Jesus showed that His future coming will be on the 7th Vial which is when God's cup of wrath is poured out upon the earth.
Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV
Apostles Paul and Peter both used the idea of the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night" per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3. Jesus in the above also shows that's the day of His future coming "as a thief".
What does all this mean?
It means that ALL... those events are grouped together to happen within the same hour of Jesus' coming. Paul's change to the spiritual body on the "last trump" (7th Trumpet), God's cup of wrath poured out (7th Vial), and Jesus' descent to earth with His faithful Church, all at the same timing.
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