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I agree 100%!

Who drew your budgie??? Its a neat drawing... They don't usually pose for an artist to paint their portrait... LoL...
Have u ever had a tame bird??? I would highly recommend taming a budgie... If you have a bit of time and patience the reward is joyful...
A bird is meant to fly remember. Im sorry but im gonna have to lay a little guilt trip on ya... Free as a bird... Not a caged one...
Is the cage big enough for him to fly from one side to the other or does he have to crawl around like an inferior mammal???
I can teach you how to earn its trust if you like, step by step. First step is to get it to trust that weird thing... Your hand

I miss the two tiels i had. One like the picture whos greatest achievement would have to be going to the toilet... :D
Hey don't laugh... U try to potty train a bird then get back to me...:D

And i had a white albino with red eyes, hahaha such a show off. It used to do its daily exercise of extreme flying. It would do a lap, of the lounge then through the door way and do a lap of the kitchen/dinning then back out for another lap... But it would do this at top speed for about a minute before landing on my shoulder all puffed out... I'd just look at it in awe... Like how did u do that. How fast were you going. She was amazing... And she would do it especially when i had visitors, such a show off... She'd do her routine, rest on my shoulder for a minute then go and start harassing my guests... LoL... Harassing in a funny way, snooping around... LoL... Ah their cool pets... :D They bring me a lot of joy...:D
 
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Dictator Dan still has the most totalitarian restrictions on earth

Dan has taken another 6 months of dictatorial powers... His last 6 months as dictator was a huge failure... Dan imposed the toughest restrictions in Australia but it didn't work... A second wave came due to Dan's incompetence with quarantine, contact tracing and aged care... Then he introduced 6 weeks of the toughest restrictions in the western world...

Dans biggest lie was that we locked down to flatten the curve... Since then we have been left in the dark until now... Dan has finally given Victorians a plan... And it's the most depressing plan on earth without any hope at all... We are supposed to end stage 4 lockdown on the 13th, we are on less than 100 daily new cases and less than 10 deaths a day...

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What a criminal... Only after 2 weeks of daily cases between 30-50 will he go to step 2 which is still basically the same.

Then he wants 2 weeks of daily cases less than 5 before going to step 3. What utter nonsense. Step 3 is still a strict lockdown and we will never get there with that impossible rate of under 5 daily cases... Sydney would be in lockdown under this crap...

To reach step 4 (which is still heavily restricted) he is asking for the impossible... He wants 2 weeks with zero daily cases... No country has been able to do this... It's ludacris and the people are justifying it as if its the the only way... As if this is all that matters.

Then he says only after 1 month of no cases all around Australia can we go to "covid-normal"... Its not normal at all... Our lives are never going back to normal, and for what, a virus that has a death rate similar to the flu... Apfft

Coronavirus roadmap for workplaces in Metropolitan Melbourne


Apparently no other states had a law limiting a state of emergency to 6 months. And why should they?

They needed to extend a state of emergency to keep the health restrictions in place.

As for the stage 4 date to end, from memory I think they originally said when stage 4 restrictions first came into place they said it would be in place until "at least" the 13th of September, which means the 6 weeks was a minimum.

At least means it was never definitely ending on the 13th of September.

And before I finish this post, I just found the original statement to back that up, our Premier originally said "These changes will be in place for at least the next six weeks until Sunday 13 September."

You can check for yourself.

Statement On Changes To Melbourne’s Restrictions | Premier of Victoria
 
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Apparently no other states had a law limiting a state of emergency to 6 months. And why should they?

They needed to extend a state of emergency to keep the health restrictions in place.

As for the stage 4 date to end, from memory I think they originally said when stage 4 restrictions first came into place they said it would be in place until "at least" the 13th of September, which means the 6 weeks was a minimum.

At least means it was never definitely ending on the 13th of September.

And before I finish this post, I just found the original statement to back that up, our Premier originally said "These changes will be in place for at least the next six weeks until Sunday 13 September."

You can check for yourself.

Statement On Changes To Melbourne’s Restrictions | Premier of Victoria

Im not surprised to see you still defending socialism and a road map to permanent lock downs...
LoL... You a communist mate... Im not sure you even know it or understand it but your a communist...
 

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New Zealand achieved it, Victoria can.

Comrade... NZ achieved it for 100 days before the country locking down over 4 cases... It failed...
Eradication is unsustainable according to everyone including the WHO. And proven by NZ...
What will you accept next??? Forced vaccinations??? Jail all the covid deniers???

Im going to make the same proposition to you as i did with one of my mates cos im pessimistic and your optimistic, right...
If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda

Hows that... A line in the sand... A measure of truth that only time will reveal... Im willing to admit i was wrong, if i was... Are you??? My mate took up the offer which is great cos were not always arguing about it now...
So then... What do you say... Do we have a gentlemen's agreement???
 

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Okay. If the lockdowns are a part of an agenda to fight child sex trafficking, this video offers a glimpse into the problem, and a small part of the ongoing solution, and why governments need to be fully involved and committed.
 

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Comrade... NZ achieved it for 100 days before the country locking down over 4 cases... It failed...
Eradication is unsustainable according to everyone including the WHO. And proven by NZ...
What will you accept next??? Forced vaccinations??? Jail all the covid deniers???

Im going to make the same proposition to you as i did with one of my mates cos im pessimistic and your optimistic, right...
If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda

Hows that... A line in the sand... A measure of truth that only time will reveal... Im willing to admit i was wrong, if i was... Are you??? My mate took up the offer which is great cos were not always arguing about it now...
So then... What do you say... Do we have a gentlemen's agreement???

NZ didn't have an explosion of cases, so I am still calling them a success story.

And you never know

God might do a major move and get rid of all covid-19 cases supernaturally, this would be good as then we would see worldwide revival and millions coming to Christ. ;)
 
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@Cristo Rei here's some exciting news though!

Our council has finally stepped up and has called for parts of the Yarra Valley to be reclassified as regional. :D

Hopefully it's successful.
 

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REVEALED... CURFEWS WERE NOT ADVISED BY THE CHEIF MEDICAL OFFICER BUT BROUGHT IN "TO MAKE TO JOB OF THE POLICE EASIER"


Daniel Andrews has been saying all along that he has been going by the medical advise... Lies lies lies. Again from this megalomaniac...
The chief health office confirmed that the curfews was not has idea and Andrews himself said that they were brought in not by medical advise but "to make the jobs of police easier"
 

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@Cristo Rei here's some exciting news though!

Our council has finally stepped up and has called for parts of the Yarra Valley to be reclassified as regional. :D

Ye thats what iv said, your not here at ground zero, your there in the bush, unaffected, watching through the fake news media

Ye but do we have a deal... Are you willing to walk away from deception if it turns out u have been deceived???
Or will you remain entrenched in your position in the face of truth?

Lets draw a line in the sand... The measure of truth...

I will admit if im wrong if they don't force/blackmail of the vax...
U will admit you are wrong if they do force/blackmail the vax...
Deal???

Im willing to admit if im wrong... But im seriously questioning if your capable of doing that comrade... Too ideologically focused... Like Dan... LoL
 
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Pfffft... Cmon mate... Sorry to be rude but your are spouting complete garbage now... Deeply entrenched in dissonance...
Or maybe you just have to be here, ground zero, wester suburbs, working class, trying to make ends meet, struggling to survive...
I think you should be thankful you're not living in India or one of the poorer countries in Africa. I don't think you're grateful for what you do have, and focusing too much on negative things.

You know the "road map" out of our lockdown is unachievable...
I don't know that. I see Josho already pointed out how New Zealand has achieved what so many other countries thought was impossible.

You know that democracy here has been replaced by tyranny...
I do not know that. Parliament voted on the measure to extend the state of emergency. They were voted into office democratically; and if you object to that, then you may be person who's opposed to democracy. I say don't give up on democracy, vote them out of office if you don't like them.

You know that our covid numbers are the lowest in the world...
You know that our lock downs are the toughest in the world...
I don't know the exact numbers, but I think it safe to assume that those two statistics are related.

Elsewhere you were talking about how you couldn't visit an island where there is no coronavirus. I was shocked, I was honestly shocked. You were thinking about what you wanted and not about what was best for the people on that island. You were willing to risk spreading coronavirus to that island if it was something that pleased you; and even if you know you don't have the virus, you can't guarantee that if they allowed visitors in that all of them were free of it. Sooner or later, someone with the virus would enter the island unless reasonable measures were taken.

Im going to make the same proposition to you as i did with one of my mates cos im pessimistic and your optimistic, right...
If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda
I can't predict if the government will mandate a vaccine; but I know small pox was eliminated from the world only because governments forced people to get vaccinated. The whole world is free from it now. If even one small pocket had been permitted to exist, it would have spread again to the rest of the world. I know what I'd do: If anyone wanted to travel in or out of the country, he'd have to show proof of being vaccinated. And if someone declined to get vaccinated, I might let him die -- I wouldn't want the government paying his medical bills -- and if he spread it to other unvaccinated people, I'd prosecute him for public endangerment.

Hows that... A line in the sand... A measure of truth that only time will reveal... Im willing to admit i was wrong, if i was... Are you??? My mate took up the offer which is great cos were not always arguing about it now...
So then... What do you say... Do we have a gentlemen's agreement???
I think you should be prepared to be pleasantly surprised. You still have a democracy in Australia. I confess I think some strange things happen in Australian politics; but you can still vote people out.

My concern at the moment is over China. I wonder if China is behind a social media campaign to sow doubt and discord in Australia. I'm not saying they are; but it wouldn't surprise me, not when I see what other things China is doing to Australia and its citizens. They're doing more than just arresting journalists. I see they finally let the Australian journalists leave the country -- after holding them several days. But then again, China says Australia has detained Chinese journalists and seized "device" to see what was on them.

I've little doubt that China is trying to disrupt Australia using social media. The Canberra Times says they're using mostly WeChat to make Chinese people in Australia feel paranoid. I'm wondering if some of that paranoia is spilling over into the non-Chinese people.

The social messaging system helping spread Chinese disinformation campaigns

Protecting elections would mean boosting attempts to monitor WeChat, including employing Chinese language speakers to watch the spread of information. People who spread disinformation must be penalised, otherwise WeChat would be used more as a low-cost, high-benefit strategy to undermine Australia's democracy.

Professor Rob Ackland, at the Australian National University, said he and University of Canberra researcher Mathieu O'Neil had studied about 70 troll accounts active in the Australian political sphere in 2015 and 2016.

The accounts were from the Russian Internet Research Agency. He didn't give details but said one had used the account to build influence with relatively innocuous tweets that changed once an audience had been garnered.

A number of troll accounts had been focused on refugees, again starting with relatively mainstream views, but morphing over time to send more insidious messages, such as comparing Manus Island asylum seekers with Islamic state terrorists.

Associate Professor O'Neil said they had followed one troll for a year to analyse the modus operandi.
 
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Im going to make the same proposition to you as i did with one of my mates cos im pessimistic and your optimistic, right...
If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda

Hows that... A line in the sand... A measure of truth that only time will reveal... Im willing to admit i was wrong, if i was... Are you??? My mate took up the offer which is great cos were not always arguing about it now...
So then... What do you say... Do we have a gentlemen's agreement???

Lolz reading through this.

"If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda"


Mate our Charismatic Christian Prime Minister originally said he wanted it to be as "mandatory as possible." Even though I think he backed down a bit after saying that, he still wants a large percentage of Australia to get vaccinated.

Australia might make AstraZeneca COVID vaccine mandatory for all citizens

And they have already used the no jab, no play rule in kindergartens and childcare.

I was the minister that established ‘No jab, no play,’ so my view on this is pretty clear,” Morrison said.

I don't think there is a further agenda with vaccinations, I was never an anti-vaxxer, I had vaccinations at a Christian school, vaccinations have always been a part of growing up in Australia for the last however many decades.

And I trust Scomo enough. He is possibly the most Christian Prime Minister in Australia we ever had.....
 

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Lolz reading through this.

"If the vaccine comes out and is offered without fuss and our lives go back to normal then i will admit that my suspicions were wrong...
But... If these vaccines get forced/blackmailed on us then u have to concede that you've been too optimistic... That there always was a further agenda"


Mate our Charismatic Christian Prime Minister originally said he wanted it to be as "mandatory as possible." Even though I think he backed down a bit after saying that, he still wants a large percentage of Australia to get vaccinated.

Australia might make AstraZeneca COVID vaccine mandatory for all citizens

And they have already used the no jab, no play rule in kindergartens and childcare.

I was the minister that established ‘No jab, no play,’ so my view on this is pretty clear,” Morrison said.

I don't think there is a further agenda with vaccinations, I was never an anti-vaxxer, I had vaccinations at a Christian school, vaccinations have always been a part of growing up in Australia for the last however many decades.

And I trust Scomo enough. He is possibly the most Christian Prime Minister in Australia we ever had.....

Ye well ive been saying that from the start and there is no justification for it...

Then where do u draw the line??? I don't think you can draw a line... Your stuck in dissonance...
I think you would accept covid deniers getting tossed into the gas chamber at this point in time
 

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I think you should be thankful you're not living in India or one of the poorer countries in Africa. I don't think you're grateful for what you do have, and focusing too much on negative things.

I don't know that. I see Josho already pointed out how New Zealand has achieved what so many other countries thought was impossible.

I do not know that. Parliament voted on the measure to extend the state of emergency. They were voted into office democratically; and if you object to that, then you may be person who's opposed to democracy. I say don't give up on democracy, vote them out of office if you don't like them.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I think it safe to assume that those two statistics are related.

Elsewhere you were talking about how you couldn't visit an island where there is no coronavirus. I was shocked, I was honestly shocked. You were thinking about what you wanted and not about what was best for the people on that island. You were willing to risk spreading coronavirus to that island if it was something that pleased you; and even if you know you don't have the virus, you can't guarantee that if they allowed visitors in that all of them were free of it. Sooner or later, someone with the virus would enter the island unless reasonable measures were taken.

I can't predict if the government will mandate a vaccine; but I know small pox was eliminated from the world only because governments forced people to get vaccinated. The whole world is free from it now. If even one small pocket had been permitted to exist, it would have spread again to the rest of the world. I know what I'd do: If anyone wanted to travel in or out of the country, he'd have to show proof of being vaccinated. And if someone declined to get vaccinated, I might let him die -- I wouldn't want the government paying his medical bills -- and if he spread it to other unvaccinated people, I'd prosecute him for public endangerment.

I think you should be prepared to be pleasantly surprised. You still have a democracy in Australia. I confess I think some strange things happen in Australian politics; but you can still vote people out.

My concern at the moment is over China. I wonder if China is behind a social media campaign to sow doubt and discord in Australia. I'm not saying they are; but it wouldn't surprise me, not when I see what other things China is doing to Australia and its citizens. They're doing more than just arresting journalists. I see they finally let the Australian journalists leave the country -- after holding them several days. But then again, China says Australia has detained Chinese journalists and seized "device" to see what was on them.

I've little doubt that China is trying to disrupt Australia using social media. The Canberra Times says they're using mostly WeChat to make Chinese people in Australia feel paranoid. I'm wondering if some of that paranoia is spilling over into the non-Chinese people.

The social messaging system helping spread Chinese disinformation campaigns

Protecting elections would mean boosting attempts to monitor WeChat, including employing Chinese language speakers to watch the spread of information. People who spread disinformation must be penalised, otherwise WeChat would be used more as a low-cost, high-benefit strategy to undermine Australia's democracy.

Professor Rob Ackland, at the Australian National University, said he and University of Canberra researcher Mathieu O'Neil had studied about 70 troll accounts active in the Australian political sphere in 2015 and 2016.

The accounts were from the Russian Internet Research Agency. He didn't give details but said one had used the account to build influence with relatively innocuous tweets that changed once an audience had been garnered.

A number of troll accounts had been focused on refugees, again starting with relatively mainstream views, but morphing over time to send more insidious messages, such as comparing Manus Island asylum seekers with Islamic state terrorists.

Associate Professor O'Neil said they had followed one troll for a year to analyse the modus operandi.

Your the same... Stuck in a deep hole of dissonance... And unable to measure truth...
You would of accepted this 7 months ago... No church, no rights, no democracy, police state, communism, death, despair...
But now you have accepted all this... They know you better than you know yourself my friend... Cognitive dissonance... Im not trying to belittle you im telling you a fact... Cognitive dissonance is a complex phycological theory that i know to be true from experience and studying... Look into it it and understand that you have given up your deepest beliefs, you have modified them... I never changed mine... Ever...

But your entrenched now. Unwilling to concede like i am, you will go down with the cause
But who cares what u guys think living miles away unaffected by this situation. Your false perceptions are nothing to us here on ground zero...
As i keep dropping facts after facts after facts i will keep speaking out... I will keep promoting our right to speak up regardless if our dictators want to outlaw free speech...

In fact there are anti Andrews protests due every weekend in Melbourne until Andrews stepps down or the democratic system is treintroduced...

DEMOCRACY... FREEDOM... FOR EVER WE MARCH FOR OUR LIBERTY...
EVERY WEEKEND


I stand in the truth... I believe we have a right to go to church just like you guys did... But you gujys threwe in that belief and put the word og the governmnet over Gods Word... Go ahead and censor my free speech u communist hypicrits...
 

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I think you would accept covid deniers getting tossed into the gas chamber at this point in time

Lolz I wouldn't hahaha, my position on having no death penalty remains, so don't worry.

But, I do think people should obey the rules though, especially covid deniers.

So let's see.... a good reason for you yourself and others to obey the rules would be, so that lockdown can end faster. If people keep breaking the rules especially in Melbourne, lockdown may get extended.
 

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Your the same... Stuck in a deep hole of dissonance... And unable to measure truth...
You would of accepted this 7 months ago... No church, no rights, no democracy, police state, communism, death, despair...
But now you have accepted all this... They know you better than you know yourself my friend... Cognitive dissonance... Im not trying to belittle you im telling you a fact... Cognitive dissonance is a complex phycological theory that i know to be true from experience and studying... Look into it it and understand that you have given up your deepest beliefs, you have modified them... I never changed mine... Ever...

But your entrenched now. Unwilling to concede like i am, you will go down with the cause
But who cares what u guys think living miles away unaffected by this situation. Your false perceptions are nothing to us here on ground zero...
As i keep dropping facts after facts after facts i will keep speaking out... I will keep promoting our right to speak up regardless if our dictators want to outlaw free speech...

In fact there are anti Andrews protests due every weekend in Melbourne until Andrews stepps down or the democratic system is treintroduced...

DEMOCRACY... FREEDOM... FOR EVER WE MARCH FOR OUR LIBERTY...
EVERY WEEKEND


I stand in the truth... I believe we have a right to go to church just like you guys did... But you gujys threwe in that belief and put the word og the governmnet over Gods Word... Go ahead and censor my free speech u communist hypicrits...
I think you are being unnecessarily insulting. What good has going to church done you so far?

If you were in Russia, maybe you'd be dead by now -- by being poisoned. If you were in China, you might be in a work camp. You don't know when you have it good. You seem bent on making yourself perpetually unhappy with life. I see you're still on the internet -- imagine that. How can you afford such a luxury? What hasn't the government come for you yet to drag you off to some dark prison?

You would never have made in as a Christian in the early church when Christians got thrown to the lions. They went to their deaths bravely; but you complain about there being "no church." My church is wherever I find myself. Jesus is with me always along with a cloud of witnesses.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Yes, the saints are always there, if people only knew it. I find it somewhat sad when people think of Christianity being found only in churches.

If the world about you is so horrible, what are you doing to make it better? Anything? Or do you want to spend the rest of your life complaining about how politicians are ruining your life? I am stunned by people who think they must be visiting a church as if they might become disconnected from Christ somehow. The early church didn't have buildings called churches.

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Yes, I am reaching the conclusion that you will never be happy in this life. Perhaps you never were. You seem to enjoy wallowing in self pity and resentment too much to enjoy life; and if someone disagrees, you call him a Communist. Get over it. Stop making yourself so miserable.
 

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Sorry folks, while some were trying to be gentle and peaceful, I have to lock this thread, I hope you understand, most of this thread hasn't been fruitful in the last few days, some things have gone too far, a few have even used it as an opportunity for a whinge-fest, it's not even what the non-Christian section in this site is for and it's not a good look or good way to have a discussion in front of non-Christian visitors on this site or even in front of other fellow Christians.

Phillipians 2:14-15
"Do everything without complaining and arguing, so that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people."

And I will also go on to remind you the fruits of the Holy Spirit, Peace is one of those fruits.

Galatians 5:22-23
"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

Hebrews 12:4
"Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."
 
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