Miracles In the Sight of Men?

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In Revelation 13:11-13, Christ through His servant Apostle John warns us about the coming "another beast" for the very end of this world. The Scripture says that false one will work "... great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Why is that "in the sight of men" important? Why would that be said about that coming "another beast"?

In 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Apostle Paul was pointing to that same "another beast" working those "lying wonders". In Matthew 24:24, Jesus warned us about that same false-Christ working those "great signs and wonders".

Do you think maybe all 3 Scripture descriptions are pointing to the same false one coming to do that working here on earth, "in the sight of men"?

When you consider that working of "great signs, and wonders" that coming false one will do on earth, that puts that "in the sight of men" in a specific category of Message. And what's that, you may ask?

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


The 2 horns LIKE a lamb idea is a pointer to Jesus Christ, The LAMB of Sacrifice. But it says that false one will speak as a "dragon". Who is the "dragon" per Rev.12:9? That is Satan himself.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth
in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV


Once you put together that "dragon" connection with the working of those miracles on earth, "in the sight of men", what then is that pointing to?

Do you think that is pointing to claimed miracle-working by those like Rodney Howard Browne, and his imparting of the 'laughing-in-the-spirit' phenomena? No, not that one. One already knows there's nothing special about his working "in the sight of men".

In what special... way then, would that "in the sight of men" apply to that Rev.13 miracle working? We obviously know that if any man in the flesh does that, that he will be doing it in plain sight on earth. So that idea can't be why that phrase is given about the Rev.13 miracle working.

What makes it special, is that it is pointing to one that is 'supernatural' doing those miracles, in plain sight, on earth, in OUR dimension. And that kind of working most of us on earth today are simply not prepared for.

That will be Satan himself, on earth, in our dimension, doing that miracle working in our near future, "in the sight of men". That will be how he will deceive the whole world by those miracles.
 

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That will be Satan himself, on earth, in our dimension, doing that miracle working in our near future, "in the sight of men". That will be how he will deceive the whole world by those miracles.
Rev 13 describes the time when Satan will lead the One World Government, thru the physical body of the Anti-Christ; 'beast'.
It will be for the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.

However; not ALL the world will be deceived, as the Christian peoples will not. Half of them will be kept safe in a far away location and the other half must remain in the holy Land, where many will be persecuted and martyred. Revelation 12:14 & 17.
 

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Rev 13 describes the time when Satan will lead the One World Government, thru the physical body of the Anti-Christ; 'beast'.
It will be for the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.

However; not ALL the world will be deceived, as the Christian peoples will not. Half of them will be kept safe in a far away location and the other half must remain in the holy Land, where many will be persecuted and martyred. Revelation 12:14 & 17.
Satan doesn't need someone else's flesh body to appear on earth. Neither did Jesus and the two angels of Genesis 18 need flesh bodies to appear on earth in our earthly dimension.

This is something those who rely on man's science will never understanding until Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" with His ending this present world of man in flesh bodies.

The "spiritual body" is the type body of the world to come, and Apostle Paul also called it "the image of the heavenly" in 1 Cor.15. That means it's a spirit body like the angels. It can live upon this earth, and appear with the image of 'man' upon this earth, and even eat earthly food. This is why the phrase "sons of God" applies to women too per The New Covenant. The purpose for the flesh of the female during this world is not only as a helpmate, but for procreation. There will be no need for procreation in the world to come, thus we all are 'sons'.
 

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Satan doesn't need someone else's flesh body to appear on earth. Neither did Jesus and the two angels of Genesis 18 need flesh bodies to appear on earth in our earthly dimension.
If using a flesh body will deceive more people, then that is what Satan will do. Exactly as Revelation 13:3-4 tells us.
This is something those who rely on man's science will never understanding until Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" with His ending this present world of man in flesh bodies.
It is quite apparent from scriptures, that mortal humans will be the people on earth during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20, Zechariah 14:16-21
Only after the GWT Judgment, Rev 20:11-15, will anyone receive immortality.
 

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It is quite apparent from scriptures, that mortal humans will be the people on earth during the Millennium.
Nah... that's just what your Old Testament Jewish brethren believe. They don't study The New Testament, and evidently you haven't either on this subject.

1 Corinthians 15 and John 5:28-29 teaches that the resurrection includes the "resurrection of damnation" (the wicked dead raised to the resurrection type body).

And in 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul taught that all those still alive on the "last trump" will be 'changed' at the "twinkling of an eye", and regarding the 'Death swallowed up in victory" Paul quoted from Isaiah 25, that shows all peoples and all nations still alive in the flesh on that day will be 'changed'.

So it's not like a certain Church denomination thinking that believes they are the only true Church, and wrongly believes that only those in Christ are 'changed' on that day.
 

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Nah... that's just what your Old Testament Jewish brethren believe. They don't study The New Testament, and evidently you haven't either on this subject.

1 Corinthians 15 and John 5:28-29 teaches that the resurrection includes the "resurrection of damnation" (the wicked dead raised to the resurrection type body).

And in 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul taught that all those still alive on the "last trump" will be 'changed' at the "twinkling of an eye", and regarding the 'Death swallowed up in victory" Paul quoted from Isaiah 25, that shows all peoples and all nations still alive in the flesh on that day will be 'changed'.

So it's not like a certain Church denomination thinking that believes they are the only true Church, and wrongly believes that only those in Christ are 'changed' on that day.
It is plainly obvious that 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15
The Last Trump will be the signal for everyone who has ever lived to stand before God in the final Judgment.
Only then will Death be no more. Revelation 21:4
 

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It is plainly obvious that 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15
That's funny. Your timeline is way... off.

1 Cor 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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Paul's "last trump" is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11 which is the day when Jesus RETURNS to end this PRESENT WORLD. That is what Jesus Himself called the "last day" pointing to the resurrection on that day...

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
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It is NOT for after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Your timeline is WAY, WAY... off kilter.
 

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It is NOT for after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Your timeline is WAY, WAY... off kilter.
The idea that people will receive immortality before the Book of Life is opened, is quite wrong and impossible to happen.
The proof that Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is for the final Judgment, after the Millenium, is proved by how it will be only then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4 Only then will the actual Final Trump sound, to call up all the dead to stand before God. Rev 20:11-15

I suggest that you get your beliefs 'way way' back to the Biblical truth.
 

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The idea that people will receive immortality before the Book of Life is opened, is quite wrong and impossible to happen.
The proof that Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is for the final Judgment, after the Millenium, is proved by how it will be only then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4 Only then will the actual Final Trump sound, to call up all the dead to stand before God. Rev 20:11-15

I suggest that you get your beliefs 'way way' back to the Biblical truth.
The resurrection happens on the LAST DAY of this world when Jesus returns.

And all this time I thought you were a New Testament Bible-believing Christian. You instead act like you've never really read The New Testament.