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  1. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully no one will misunderstand me. I'm not cessationist. I believe God gives His spiritual gifts in the modern day. Including prophecy.

    There is so much prophecy out there. Prophecies from 40, 50 years ago, prophecies from now.

    When Ezekiel prophesied Tyre would be scraped off into the sea, it was. After he prophesied that the bare rocks would be used for fishermen to dry nets they did.

    When Isaiah prophesied to the king that his enemies would be gone by the time this child was weaned they were. When he prophesied Babylon would be taken by Cyrus it was. When he prophesied the gates would be open for him to get in they were.

    When the prophet said Jericho's foundation would be laid with the death of the firstborn it was. When the gates were hung, the youngest son died according to the same prophecy.

    Elisha, I think, was who said to the king's wife, when you return to your city your child will die, and it did.

    Josiah was the one who burned the bones of the priests on their altars, according to the prophecy of the man of God.

    Can anyone show me a prophecy from the modern day that was specific, and fulfilled with the same specificity?

    Are there any examples of this? Not something we have to fudge. Not something vague, that we can kinda match to something.

    Something specific.

    Is there anything out there like that?

    Much love!
     
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    In the early eighties I heard a preacher at a week-long outreach event prophesy that everything that is important to the modern day society would collapse. The legal system, education, medicine, families, commerce, banking, media etc. And all those years ago it seemed impossible but . . . . .look at things are now.

    This seems specific enough and has come to pass. The preacher was called George Miller.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I have shared many times...examples
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    If you are serious....this man of God was a true prophet....he died before seeing this prophesy come to pass.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    OK, I admit, I'm a little out of sorts for all the 'prophecies' that seem to get stretched out of recognition trying to make them fit something.

    I didn't realize that he also prophesied Bill Gates to fund the church, like to see that part too!

    Trumpeting Trump, that's for sure! A not-religious, but praying man, that seems like him too!

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Just to be clear, I am serious. I'm interested in modern authentic prophecy.

    I want to find a transcript from your video to get the whole thing. I've heard parts of this before.

    Much love!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    You can't have it both ways. If you believe there are modern prophets out there (other than Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White, William Branham*, etc. whom most Christians will not accept since they also introduced false teachings) it is up to you to present their prophecies. Otherwise you should accept what Paul said in 1 Cor 13:8. Christians should not be afraid to be called Cessationists, since Paul said that three spiritual gifts would cease, and cease they did.

    Several people have also critiqued Kim Clement and called him a false prophet. I don't know enough about him, but in general I do not believe there are genuine prophets today.

    Prophecy is divine revelation, and according to the apostle-prophet John, prophecies would cease after he finished writing the Revelation: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18)

    What was John saying? Any additional prophecies after 95 AD would be unacceptable to God. And as a matter of fact, none of the Early Church Fathers ever claimed to be either an apostle or a prophet.

    *Note, William Branham either invented the Serpent Seed doctrine, or promoted this false doctrine, which claims that the Devil had sexual intercourse with Eve and produced Cain. Here is what he said, while contradicting the Bible: Before Adam ever had carnal knowledge of Eve, the serpent had that knowledge ahead of him. And that one born of it was Cain. Cain was of (born of, begotten of) that “Wicked One,” (I John 3:12)

    However, this is what we read in Scripture: And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (Gen 4:1) [Note" "knew" is a biblical euphemism for sexual intercourse]

    So the Bible tells us that the first child of Adam and Eve was Cain, and that Eve recognized that she had received this son from the LORD. Indeed the name "Cain" (Hebrew Qayin) means "possession" or that which is acquired, hence "I have gotten". So what 1 John 3:12 means is that Cain had the character and attributes of Satan, who was also a murderer from the beginning.
     
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    I do believe very strongly in the continuation of God's gifts, and prophets. But for me, the title of "prophet" is more related to "messenger from God" than a future-teller. Telling of future events is ... I find it horribly messy with different interpretations / agenda driven declaration / vagueness / educated guesses / luck. It's just not something I personally put much stock in, for both modern time and ancient times.
     
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    Why is that?

    I'm inviting others to show me modern fulfilled prophecies. Is something wrong with that?

    Naturally both passages you've quoted are interpretted that the way you say, but lack the actual statements that would make it explicit.

    When the perfect has come . . . the perfect Man, Christ. You would say, I think, the perfect book, the Bible. But it doesn't say.

    If any add to this book . . . The Revelation . . . The Bible was not assembled as if John were writing the last chapter. If this does make an explicit statement, then it applied to the Revelation alone.

    BTW . . . who is the Father of the Church? Why call the early commentators "fathers of the church"? I've read their commentaries, they are about all over the map as anyone is today I think.

    Much love!
     
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    And why not? Joseph Smith (and a few other Mormons) claimed to be prophets, but their teachings do not line up with Scripture.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. The Bible says that you are not to look for additional prophecies or prophets. So this is idle curiosity.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    For me too prophecy is primarily towards God revealing His truth to man, with a small portion of it being about telling future events.

    I think you worded this well in showing my issue with the bulk of those called prophets today:

    Telling of future events is ... I find it horribly messy with different interpretations / agenda driven declaration / vagueness / educated guesses / luck.

    But, I don't like to throw the baby with the bathwater . . .

    Much love!
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    He also prophesied the impeachment of Trump
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Passage please.

    And think about this for a moment . . .

    Should you call upon false gods? Elijah invited the worshipers of Baal to call upon him.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Interesting!
     
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    In your opinion. :)
     
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    Hey, Mark. We tend to disagree on this subject, but I'm glad you have an interest in it. That is something to be thankful for.

    I would have several things to say on this subject, but let me start with Ezekiel's prophecies regarding Tyre. It is correct that part of the prophecy was fulfilled by Nebuchadnezzar, but in reality the fullness of the prophecy has not yet been fulfilled to this day. In Ezekiel 26:14, the Lord stated that the city would never be rebuilt. The entire prophecy and its ultimate fulfillment therefore must be taken in the context of His promise that He would send "many nations," not just the Babylonians (Ezekiel 26:3). The city was rebuilt after Nebuchadnezzar, and then Alexander conquered it again in 332 B.C. It was then rebuilt again, and stands to this day, but its final destruction to complete the prophecy will come in the end-times.

    What God is using here is principle well explained by @theophilus in a recent thread, who I will tag here. His comments were posted in the following thread a few days ago:
    Was Jonah a false prophet?

    So believers might get confused about things if they look for the fulfillment of prophecies during their own lifetimes. Even the prophets themselves rarely lived to see the fulfillment of what they prophesied, but partial fulfillments in their own times served as confirmation that the ultimate fulfillment would one day come.

    This leaves out the discussion on the difference between prophecies that can be averted through repentance and those that cannot.
     
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    Jonah is definitely one example of us mortals only seeing in the glass darkly while things are happening.
     
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    Interesting application of the expression. I would limit it more to discerning the meaning of Biblical symbolism inherent in end-time dreams and visions, but yes, seeing the timing of when things will be fulfilled is even harder : ) Often it is way beyond our ability to discern, and ought to therefore be left up to God.
     
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