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Enoch111

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Following the gospel is what gets you into heaven.
Are you suggesting salvation by good works? If so, that is false teaching.

EPHESIANS 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
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Did Mother Teresa ever get saved?

If she ever believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, then she is saved.

However, whether she will be raptured when the Bridegroom comes at the pre great trib rapture event, His words pretty much says she will not be.

Unless there was repentance at death's door from laboring in unbelief, she will be left behind to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House.

As it is, there are a lot of bad reviews about Mother Teresa on the internet per her quoted sayings and her hypocrisy towards the poor in how she would receive donations to help the poor and the sick, but she lets them suffer because she believed they are blessed that way all the while when she gets sick, she went to the hospital. So she does not really lead a good example as a saint, even though the Lord has made her one if she believed in Him and that God had raised Him from the dead, and not the Church by her works.
 

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As it is, there are a lot of bad reviews about Mother Teresa on the internet per her quoted sayings and her hypocrisy towards the poor in how she would receive donations to help the poor and the sick, but she lets them suffer because she believed they are blessed that way all the while when she gets sick, she went to the hospital. So she does not really lead a good example as a saint, even though the Lord has made her one if she believed in Him and that God had raised Him from the dead, and not the Church by her works.

I assume you knew her personally?
 
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If she ever believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, then she is saved.

However, whether she will be raptured when the Bridegroom comes at the pre great trib rapture event, His words pretty much says she will not be.

Unless there was repentance at death's door from laboring in unbelief, she will be left behind to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House.

As it is, there are a lot of bad reviews about Mother Teresa on the internet per her quoted sayings and her hypocrisy towards the poor in how she would receive donations to help the poor and the sick, but she lets them suffer because she believed they are blessed that way all the while when she gets sick, she went to the hospital. So she does not really lead a good example as a saint, even though the Lord has made her one if she believed in Him and that God had raised Him from the dead, and not the Church by her works.
First of all, the persons she was helping were dying.
They were abandoned persons living on the streets of Calcutta. A VERY POOR city.
She did what she could. Hospitals would not take them in ... that's the whole reason she helped them when no one else would.

Read some books about her instead of reading about her on the internet.
She did more than we'll ever do ...
 

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If she ever believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, then she is saved.

However, whether she will be raptured when the Bridegroom comes at the pre great trib rapture event, His words pretty much says she will not be.

Unless there was repentance at death's door from laboring in unbelief, she will be left behind to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House.

As it is, there are a lot of bad reviews about Mother Teresa on the internet per her quoted sayings and her hypocrisy towards the poor in how she would receive donations to help the poor and the sick, but she lets them suffer because she believed they are blessed that way all the while when she gets sick, she went to the hospital. So she does not really lead a good example as a saint, even though the Lord has made her one if she believed in Him and that God had raised Him from the dead, and not the Church by her works.
And how do YOU know she labored in unbelief??
 

JesusIsFaithful

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I assume you knew her personally?

I said "If she ever believed..."

As for those that knew her personally, they have quoted her.... and it wasn't all from sites with intentions to bash her. You can also confirm the quotes from the bashing sites when they give a Catholic source or public source from the media.

Those remaining in catholicism do run the risk of being left behind, but they are still saved if they believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead.
 

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Are you suggesting salvation by good works? If so, that is false teaching.

EPHESIANS 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Why is it false teaching?
What do you think Jesus preached for over 3 years?

John 15:10
John 3:36
 

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Where in His word?

Anyone in iniquity is a worker of iniquity that will be denied entrance to the Marriage Supper at the pre great trib rapture; Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 13:24-30 That does not mean they are not saved. Those failing to prepare themselves by Him in laying aside every weight & sin in running that race will be cast away as in left behind to face the fire coming on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation. Do note how those He would cast out are still called His servants as they receive stripes per the knowledge for not acting on His words in preparing themselves to be ready by Him to go in Luke 12:40-49.
 

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First of all, the persons she was helping were dying.
They were abandoned persons living on the streets of Calcutta. A VERY POOR city.
She did what she could. Hospitals would not take them in ... that's the whole reason she helped them when no one else would.

Read some books about her instead of reading about her on the internet.
She did more than we'll ever do ...

It is easier to praise people in general when people do not really know what she did exactly. I understand the caution in taking anything on the internet, but if they give a reliable source....regardless of the site....

Indian author and physician Aroup Chatterjee, who briefly worked in one of Mother Teresa's homes, later investigated the financial and other practices of Teresa's order. In 1994, two British journalists, Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ali, produced a critical British Channel 4 documentary, Hell's Angel, based on Chatterjee's work. The next year, Hitchens published The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice, a book that repeated many of the accusations in the documentary. Chatterjee published The Final Verdict in 2003, a less polemic work than those of Hitchens and Ali, but equally critical of Teresa's operations.[1] Chatterjee and Hitchens were called by the Vatican to present evidence against Teresa during her canonisation process.[2] In 2016, American sociologist, activist, and president of the Catholic League Bill Donohue wrote a book-length response to criticism of Mother Teresa.[3]

And then another report...

In 1991, Robin Fox, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet visited the Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta (now Kolkata) and described the medical care the patients received as "haphazard".[4] He observed that sisters and volunteers, some of whom had no medical knowledge, had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors in the hospice. Fox specifically held Teresa responsible for conditions in this home, and observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.

Fox conceded that the regimen he observed included cleanliness, the tending of wounds and sores, and kindness, but he noted that the sisters' approach to managing pain was "disturbingly lacking". The formulary at the facility Fox visited lacked strong analgesics which he felt clearly separated Mother Teresa's approach from the hospice movement. Fox also wrote that needles were rinsed with warm water, which left them inadequately sterilised, and the facility did not isolate patients with tuberculosis. There have been a series of other reports documenting inattention to medical care in the order's facilities. Similar points of view have also been expressed by some former volunteers who worked for Teresa's order. Mother Teresa herself referred to the facilities as "Houses of the Dying".[5]

In 2013, in a comprehensive review[6] covering 96% of the literature on Mother Teresa, a group of Université de Montréal academics reinforced the foregoing criticism, detailing, among other issues, the missionary's practice of "caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it, … her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce". Questioning the Vatican's motivations for ignoring the mass of criticism, the study concluded that Mother Teresa's "hallowed image—which does not stand up to analysis of the facts—was constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign" engineered by the Catholic convert and anti-abortion BBC journalist Malcolm Muggeridge.[7]

Feel free to investigate.

I am sure Jesus knows.

Is she in Heaven? If she believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God had raised her from the dead; yes... but in unrepentant iniquity, and I cannot say she has not repented on her death bed, God only knows, but if unrepentant, then she will not be received as a vessel unto honor in His House at the pre great trib rapture but as a vessel unto dishonor in being left behind as in not resurrected to meet Him in the air in that glorified vessel unto honor state.
 

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And how do YOU know she labored in unbelief??

If the Catholic believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, in according to His word, they are saved, EVEN THOUGH they do not believe they are saved yet by believing so. This is the warning Paul gave in Hebrews 4:1-11 about laboring in unbelief in coming short of that rest in Jesus Christ.

Also, if one is turned away from believing in Him altogether, they are not going to hell either because He is faithful as He still abides in former believers.

Unless they repent, they run the risk of being cursed or damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House as in left behind at the pre great trib rapture. This is where the vessels unto dishonour comes from that are still in His House; as in not heeding the call to depart from iniquity; 2 Timothy 2:18-21

It is unfortunate that believers are more loyal to their church and its teachings and its place in history rather than to Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour. We are called to be witnesses of Him as led by the Spirit in us to do, in seeking the glory of the Son, and by Him, the glory of God the Father. We are not called to bear witness of our church in seeking the glory of the church as if the Good News is about the Church rather than Jesus Christ.

As it is, I can hope that she repented of her works in catholicism on her deathbed, but not knowing this , if she remained in laboring in unbelief in the works of catholicism, then she was laboring in unbelief.
 

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It is easier to praise people in general when people do not really know what she did exactly. I understand the caution in taking anything on the internet, but if they give a reliable source....regardless of the site....

Indian author and physician Aroup Chatterjee, who briefly worked in one of Mother Teresa's homes, later investigated the financial and other practices of Teresa's order. In 1994, two British journalists, Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ali, produced a critical British Channel 4 documentary, Hell's Angel, based on Chatterjee's work. The next year, Hitchens published The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice, a book that repeated many of the accusations in the documentary. Chatterjee published The Final Verdict in 2003, a less polemic work than those of Hitchens and Ali, but equally critical of Teresa's operations.[1] Chatterjee and Hitchens were called by the Vatican to present evidence against Teresa during her canonisation process.[2] In 2016, American sociologist, activist, and president of the Catholic League Bill Donohue wrote a book-length response to criticism of Mother Teresa.[3]

And then another report...

In 1991, Robin Fox, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet visited the Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta (now Kolkata) and described the medical care the patients received as "haphazard".[4] He observed that sisters and volunteers, some of whom had no medical knowledge, had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors in the hospice. Fox specifically held Teresa responsible for conditions in this home, and observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.

Fox conceded that the regimen he observed included cleanliness, the tending of wounds and sores, and kindness, but he noted that the sisters' approach to managing pain was "disturbingly lacking". The formulary at the facility Fox visited lacked strong analgesics which he felt clearly separated Mother Teresa's approach from the hospice movement. Fox also wrote that needles were rinsed with warm water, which left them inadequately sterilised, and the facility did not isolate patients with tuberculosis. There have been a series of other reports documenting inattention to medical care in the order's facilities. Similar points of view have also been expressed by some former volunteers who worked for Teresa's order. Mother Teresa herself referred to the facilities as "Houses of the Dying".[5]

In 2013, in a comprehensive review[6] covering 96% of the literature on Mother Teresa, a group of Université de Montréal academics reinforced the foregoing criticism, detailing, among other issues, the missionary's practice of "caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it, … her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce". Questioning the Vatican's motivations for ignoring the mass of criticism, the study concluded that Mother Teresa's "hallowed image—which does not stand up to analysis of the facts—was constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign" engineered by the Catholic convert and anti-abortion BBC journalist Malcolm Muggeridge.[7]

Feel free to investigate.

I am sure Jesus knows.

Is she in Heaven? If she believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God had raised her from the dead; yes... but in unrepentant iniquity, and I cannot say she has not repented on her death bed, God only knows, but if unrepentant, then she will not be received as a vessel unto honor in His House at the pre great trib rapture but as a vessel unto dishonor in being left behind as in not resurrected to meet Him in the air in that glorified vessel unto honor state.
So, it would have been better to just leave the sick on the street?
And you trust CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS?????

Do you not understand that those dying and very sick people had no other recourse? Could we dislike a person because they helped people? Or because they perhaps didn't do everything as perfectly as YOU would have?

I don't need to investigate. I've read books about her...one which she wrote herself; it was like a biography but done in letters written by her to different persons in her life. "Come Be My Light".

If you want to find out what her life was like and what she did everyday, read this book and stop listening to CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS for goodness sake!

This is how God works. He works through people.
 
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If the Catholic believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, in according to His word, they are saved, EVEN THOUGH they do not believe they are saved yet by believing so. This is the warning Paul gave in Hebrews 4:1-11 about laboring in unbelief in coming short of that rest in Jesus Christ.
How do you get this out of Hebrews 4:1-11?
The promising of RESTING IN GOD, encourages us to do His will.
God promised the Israelites rest, but they were disqualified because they did not OBEY.

If we believe, we will find rest in Him....to believe means to obey. The Israelites never got to the promised land because they did not heed God's word.
God is still promising the rest today. But the rest will not be until we're with Him.
So we're to keep obeying God and not lose our faith due to disobedience.


Also, if one is turned away from believing in Him altogether, they are not going to hell either because He is faithful as He still abides in former believers.
God does not abide in former believers. Does the Holy Spirit abide in a person living a life of sin? No.

John 15:6 Jesus said:
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Luke 7:46, 49 Jesus said:
46“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?47“Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49“But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”


Unless they repent, they run the risk of being cursed or damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House as in left behind at the pre great trib rapture. This is where the vessels unto dishonour comes from that are still in His House; as in not heeding the call to depart from iniquity; 2 Timothy 2:18-21
Vessels of honor and dishonor is referring the the Jewish nation and to Gentiles.
Please read some commentaries on Romans chapters 9 to 11.


It is unfortunate that believers are more loyal to their church and its teachings and its place in history rather than to Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour. We are called to be witnesses of Him as led by the Spirit in us to do, in seeking the glory of the Son, and by Him, the glory of God the Father. We are not called to bear witness of our church in seeking the glory of the church as if the Good News is about the Church rather than Jesus Christ.
Agreed.

As it is, I can hope that she repented of her works in catholicism on her deathbed, but not knowing this , if she remained in laboring in unbelief in the works of catholicism, then she was laboring in unbelief.
You want that she repented of her works in Catholicism?
What does this mean anyway? Good works are good works, no matter what church you do them for, or even for no church at all.
Colossians 3:23-24
23Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men, 24knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.
 

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So, it would have been better to just leave the sick on the street?
And you trust CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS?????

Do you not understand that those dying and very sick people had no other recourse? Could we dislike a person because they helped people? Or because they perhaps didn't do everything as perfectly as YOU would have?


Okay. Let's be real here. I cannot verify her "good works" by her words nor by her words quoted by others when I wasn't there. But neither can you. I will point this out by what Jesus says when people speak well of any one.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

I don't need to investigate. I've read books about her...one which she wrote herself; it was like a biography but done in letters written by her to different persons in her life. "Come Be My Light".

Again, the Bible goes on to reprove..

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Can the dead praise her? No. They are dead.

If you want to find out what her life was like and what she did everyday, read this book and stop listening to CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS for goodness sake!

This is how God works. He works through people.

Since you disregard the sources of Robert Fox and a group of Université de Montréal academics reinforced the foregoing criticism in 2013, regardless, if Mother Teresa was remaining as a Catholic in her deathbed, by His word, she was laboring in unbelief and coming short of her rest in Christ Jesus. Although she would be still saved as His, if unrepentant of her works in catholicism which denies Him as the Saviour, she will be denied entrance to the Marriage Supper.

So what are we left with to do?

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.....21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

So let the thread about Mother Teresa go to the wayside.
 
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How do you get this out of Hebrews 4:1-11?
The promising of RESTING IN GOD, encourages us to do His will.
God promised the Israelites rest, but they were disqualified because they did not OBEY.


They obey by believing they are saved. That is how obeying the gospel is done.

Catholicism is a system of works for Catholics to do in obtaining salvation within the Catholic Church. The Catholic catechism reinforces that laboring in unbelief in that if they do not persevere in charity, they are not saved: pg 222 # 837

If we believe, we will find rest in Him....to believe means to obey. The Israelites never got to the promised land because they did not heed God's word.
God is still promising the rest today. But the rest will not be until we're with Him.
So we're to keep obeying God and not lose our faith due to disobedience.

God does not abide in former believers.

Explain how vessels unto dishonor as those that did not depart from iniquity, are still in His House after addressing how some err and had their faith overthrown thus addressing former believers in 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & why 2 Timothy 2:13 is true that they are still saved.


Does the Holy Spirit abide in a person living a life of sin? No.

Ephesians 4:30 testifies that you are in error about that.

John 15:6 Jesus said:
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.


Those cut off are still called His servants as they receive His stripes in Luke 12:40-49


Luke 7:46, 49 Jesus said:
46“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?47“Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: 48he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. 49“But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”


It is true that unrepentant saved believers will run the risk of being left behind at the pre great trib rapture, but that is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House.


Vessels of honor and dishonor is referring the the Jewish nation and to Gentiles.
Please read some commentaries on Romans chapters 9 to 11.

Not in 2 Timothy 2:18-21 it does not. See the faithful saying in 2 Timothy 2:10-13