Must Read - Christianity Vs Islam - False Prophet

[Jordan]

My Father's name is YHWH.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag;18330)
My Father's name is YHWH.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Which Verse that supporting you thought ?And where does i can find it ?Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionary.H3068יהוהyehôvâhyeh-ho-vaw'From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.Source : E-Sword by Rick Meyers

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI wonder, is there anyone that still considered what amy's link has brought was a truth ? http://www.christianityboard.com/showthrea...18269#post18269To Amy :

Please show us, which hadith that foretold Muhammad s.a.w. was laughing when kill his enemies ?Wallahu a'lam.

 

[Amy]

(Ricky W;18352)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI wonder, is there anyone that still considered what amy's link has brought was a truth ? http://www.christianityboard.com/showthrea...18269#post18269To Amy :

Please show us, which hadith that foretold Muhammad s.a.w. was laughing when kill his enemies ?Wallahu a'lam.
Ricky, I have no problem giving you the exact reference / source / hadidth. But would you accept the fact then?What about all those hadiths and quranic verses given here that has a reference? Did you accept them? Perhaps muslims should come out of this denial phase and not blame valid translations as an escape goat. After all arabic is very much an alive language and chances of misinterpatation are slim, very slim.Thanks

 

[Jordan]

(Ricky)
(thesuperjag)
My Father's name is YHWH.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Which Verse that supporting you thought ?And where does i can find it ?Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionary.H3068יהוהyehôvâhyeh-ho-vaw'From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.Source : E-Sword by Rick MeyersI don't need to say scriptures. His name, YHWH is replaced by Jehovah , YHWH is replaced by the LORD. Yah was replaced by Jah.In short there is NO J, I repeat there is NO J in Hebrew.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Amy]

Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan?​

By Syed Kamran Mirza​

Historical evidences, impartial logic, well versed references and all available circumstantial judgments can very well prove that—(a) Allah name of deity was pre-existed much before the arrival of Islam, (

Pre-Islamic Pagan peoples worshipped Allah as their supreme deity (moon-god). Allah’s name existed in pre-Islamic Arab. In ancient Arab the Allah was considered to be the supreme God/deity (as Moon-God) and Arab Pagans worshipped Allah before Islam arrived. Let us examine below some valid questions and answers id the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? YesDid the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? YesDid the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? YesDid different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? YesWhat were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? YesWas the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” YesWas the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? YesDid they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”The variable names (Sin, Hubul, llumquh, Al-ilah) of moon god were used by various tribes of pagan Arabs. Pagan god SIN was the name of Moon-god.Who is actually Allah?According to Islamic Theologians (Mullahs, Maulana, Moulavis, etc.), or Islamic teachings-- Allah is the supreme God or creator who (suddenly one day?) talked or introduced Himself with Prophet Muhammad through an Angel named Gabriel, disclosing the truth that it is the Allah who created everything in the universe. Surprisingly, Qur’an never defines the word “Allah” as to who actually Allah was or what was the relation of Allah with pagans. I believe, 99% percent of Muslims do believe that—Allah’s name was invented or started right from the time when Gabriel disclosed the truth (?) to Prophet Muhammad in the cave of Hira Parvat (Mountain) and gave Muhammad the Quran. They believe that before this truth was revealed—pagan Arabs were in the total darkness (Andhakar Zuug) and they used to worship various puppet goddess and that the pagans were very evil people. I can bet on this fact that no mullahs ever told us the real truth, neither they believe this clean truth that “Allah” was in fact a pre-existing deity in pagan Arabia. What a hypocrisy?Some important factors which will suggest that the name“Allah” was already in use by Pagans as their chief God/deityA) In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “Allah” was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life. These three daughters of Allah (there is a Quranic verse about them) were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance. (

Arabs used to give their children names such as—Abdullah (slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”. Logical analogy here is—had there been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.© Even today, in the entire Arab World, not only Muslims but all other non-Muslim (Jews, Christians, Sabians, Bahai, an atheist etc.) Arabs says—“Ya Allah” as the expression of surprise or unhappiness/sorrow.(D). Albert Hourani’s statement: “The Islamic name used for God was “Allah”, which was already in use for one of the local Gods (it now used by Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians as the name of God (A history Of Arab people by Albert Hourani, 1991, page-16, Belknap press of Harvard University, USA) History tells us two theories of Allah’s existence in and around the Kaba Sharif: (1) Pagans used to call the largest Statue amongst the 360 deities as ALLAH—whom they used to consider the chief/supreme deity (god). Or, (2) Pagan Arabs used to worship 360 deities inside Kaba Sharif, and they used to consider them different smaller deities under the total control of a single most powerful chief deity called “ALLAH” who was invisible (Nirakar) and was the all-powerful, all-knowing, and totally unknowable.Amazing Similarities with Hindu Religion:In India’s Hindu religion is quite similar to the number two theory (above) of pagan belief. Although, Hindus worship many different Goddesses—they invariably have faith upon a single supreme invisible deity called “Bhagaban” (some call it “Ischhaar”) whom they call “Nirakar”. And, surprisingly there is no sculptural image/figure for this Bhagaban. But all Hindus worship Him along with other numerous deities. This Bhagaban is considered as the lord of all other deities. What would happen—if some intelligent prophet would have asked Hindus to give up worshipping other goddesses and keeping only Bhagaban as their only deity making it a monotheist religion just like Islam? Could it not be another religion like Islam?Now some factors which will suggest “Allah” was the Moon-god of Arab pagansA) In Qura’n there are at least a dozen verses in which Allah repeatedly swears by the names such as moon, sun, stars, planets, night, wind etc. It is a mystery why the creator Allah (?) should swear by his creations. Normally, we swear by the name of something much superior to us, such as we swear by God or by the name of our father (who is considered senior or superior to us). But we never swear by the name of something inferior to us. Here in the Quran swearing fashions of Allah (God) by moon or stars hinting us that Allah considered these things superior to himself. And this makes us to think (otherwise) as to who actually acted as Allah in Quran? However, in his explanation of why the Qur’an swears by the moon in Surah 74:32, “Nay, verily by the Moon,” Yusuf Alli comments, “The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness”(fn. 5798, pg. 1644). Perhaps, this swearing of Allah was due to the usual/cultural habits of worshipping moon as their God in pagan customs.(

Yousuf Ali stated (Page-1921-1623 of his English Translation of Holy Quran):“Moon-worship was equally popular in various forms………Apollo and Diana—the twin brother and sister, representing the sun and moon. …in the Vedic religion of India the moon god was Soma, the lord of the planets…….moon was male divinity in ancient India. Moon was also male divinity in ancient Semitic religion, and the Arabic word for the moon “qamar’ is of the masculine gender, on the other hand, the Arabic word for sun “shams” is feminine gender. The pagan Arabs evidently looked upon the sun as a goddess and the moon as a God.The Pagan deities best known in the Ka’ba and round about Mecca were Lat, Uzza, and Manat.…the 360 idols established by the Pagans in the Ka’ba probably represented the 360 days of an inaccurate solar year. This was the actual modern pagan worship as known to the Quraish contemporary with our prophet”© Influence of Moon in Islam:Who can deny the paramount influences of moon in Muslim’s life? In Islam, moon is considered holiest astronomical object, and moon is the guiding light of all Islamic rituals/festivals. Contradictions and conflicts are very common with the dates of Eids and Ramadan and obviously it is a chronic problem and moon is the nucleus of this problem. Crescent moon and stars are the symbolic sign in the national flags of many Muslim countries, and it is present over the Mosques, in the Muslim graveyard etc. Prophet Muhammad compromised to Pagans to establish Islam in Arabiarophet Muhammad did his clever tactics of adapting many rites of paganism into Islam, in order to accommodate Islam among the pagan Arabs. He made lots of political pacts with the Pagan Leaders such as Abu Suffian to accommodate his new idea of religion and he agreed to incorporate many of the Pagan rituals in Islam. Prophet Muhammad asked the pagans to worship only the “Allah” the largest God,And destroy the idols of all other gods and goddesses that existed in Kabah. To establish oneness (monotheist) of God, he repeatedly asked them not to make any partners to Allah (That is why we can find hundreds of Quranic verses “asking not to make any partners to Allah). Finally, the Prophet was able to convince (by force of course) the pagans to destroy all idols, and on return (he) agreed (perhaps) to keep the “Names” of the goddess of most famous Pagan tribes as the alternative names of Allah—hence Islam has 99 NAMES of Allah.Prophet Muhammad did command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca. (Please See Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). ... “the whole of the [pagan] pilgrimage was spiritualized in Islam...” (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80). In the Tafsir (of Quran-2:200) maoulana Yousuf Ali stated: “After Pilgrimage, in Pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assemblies in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the pilgrimage rites were spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. It was recommended for pilgrims to stay on two or three days after the pilgrimage, but they must use them in prayer and praise to God.(#223 of Shane’nazul by Maoulana Yousuf Ali, page-81)In Islam many rituals performed (today) by devoted Muslims in the name of Allah are connected to the pagan worship that existed before Islam. Pagans practices of the Pilgrimage of Kabah once a year--the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. are strictly followed by Muslims today. Nobody can deny the fact that, all the above rituals of Muslim’s hajj today—existed well before the arrival of Islam.It is highly plausible to consider the fact that by incorporating much of the Pagan’s rituals in new religion Islam—Prophet successfully reduced the pagan-risk and it was perhaps one of the most important milestone-attempts to conquer the minds of Pagans resulting in massive breakdown of the Pagans’ moral and support to oppose Islam. The central shrine at Mekka was the Pagan’s Kaaba (called House of Allah), a cube like stone structure which still stands though many times rebuilt. Imbedded in one corner is the black stone, probably a meteorite, the kissing of which is now an essential part of the Muslim’s pilgrimage.It is the historical fact that the Ka’aba, the sacred shrine which contains the Black Stone, in Mecca was used for pagan idol worship before Islam and even called the House of Allah at that time. The name of the God whom the Arabs worshipped was the god of pantheon—Ali-ilah the god, the supreme, the predeterminer of everybody’s life or destiny—the chief God “Allah”Who did not read the story of BLACK STONE which was very sacred (povitra) to all various tribes of Quraish. When one day this sacred stone was needed to transfer from one place to another, there was a quarrel amongst the various tribes, as to who will carry that sacred stone? Then most intelligent and righteous young boy Muhammad (was not a prophet then) invented the solution of this serious problem. He (Muhammad) put this sacred stone over a Chaddor (piece of cloth) and asked one representative from each tribe to hold the Chaddor and carry the stone. I narrated this story briefly just to prove that—black stone did exist long before Islam was invented.In summary, it has been truthfully and logically proven with all possible available circumstantial evidences/rational that, Islam was not a new religion but it is a reformed paganism. I believe thatall these monotheistic religions have more or less similar origins. This idea of monotheistic religion was not a brand new invention. Monotheistic thought was declared by Ancient Pharaoh Kings, Mesopotamia’s king Hamarubi (3000 B.C.), and Alexander the Great (300 B.C.). Differences were, these kings demanded that they themselves were the God whom everybody should worship.References:1. The Holy Qur’an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 19832. Buchari Sharif, Bengali Translation by Maulana Muhammad Mustafizur Rahman, Sulemani Printers and Publishers, Dhaka, Second edition-19993. A History of the Arab peoples, by Albert Hourani, the Belknap press of Harvard University press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 19914. Dr. Robert Morey, 1996 Research and Education Foundation.5. Gilchrist, The Temple, The Ka’aba, and the Christ (Benoni, South Africa, 1980), p. 16.6. G. J. O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah?, (Dorchester House, Bucks, UK, 1994), pg. 1387. Ibn Warraq, Why I Am Not A Muslim, (Prometheus, Amherst, 1995) p. 42.8. Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht (Leiden: E. J. Brill, 1971, II:1093.)9. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (ed. Hastings), I:326.10.The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Mythology, Arthur Cotterell and Rachel Storm, Lorenz Books, New York 10011, Anness Publishing Limited 199911. Roots of the Western Tradition, (a short history of ancient world) by C.Warren Hollister, Library of congress cataloging-in-publication data, 6th edition, 1

 

[Amy]

The Islamic PsychoBy Abul Kasem​

The Islamists have shocked the world once again. After the madness of 9-11, the Islamists had to show their true colour one more time. This time, they did it in the most bizarre and macabre way. They not only beheaded the Wall Street Journal's journalist, Daniel Pearl, like the slaughtering of a Qurbani (sacrificial) animal in the Islamic/halal way but also made a snuff video out of this butchery (A snuff video is a recording of actual murder and decapitation of a human body in the most detail and gory form). The only crime of this journalist was that he was a Jew. The newspaper reports say that the video shows that the moment he uttered the word 'I am a Jew,’ a hand from behind hold his head tight and another hand slit his throat by a sharp sword (used for the Qurbani of cows) and blood started to flow. The video later shows his head severed from his body. Do you remember Jeffrey Dahmar? Do you remember watching the movie 'The silence of the lambs'? Do you remember reading the book 'American Psycho'? Well, these Islamists are of the same mental disposition as those psychotic killers are. It is absolutely difficult for any sane person to remain unmoved and not to be disturbed by what these Islamists have shown to the world. They have absolutely no shame, regret or remorse whatsoever for what they have done. They are extremely confident that what they have done is strictly according to what their religion asks them to do with respect to infidels especially the Jews. 'This is absolutely rubbish'. You say. Islam, the religion of peace can never sanction such barbaric act. Killing of innocent people is strictly forbidden in Islam…..Islam protects the rights of the infidels including the Jews…..and what not. This is what most Muslims think. Let us have a look at what the 'Real Islam' has to say on this type of graphic Islamic butchery.In Sunaan Abu Dawud (hadith) we readBook 19, Number 2996:Narrated Muhayyisah:The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property. END OF QUOTETo confirm that a Muslim must kill the Jews when opportunity comes is further supported from the biography of Mohammad. The most authentic biography of the peaceful prophet is the ' Kitab Sirat rasuli llah' written by Ibn Ishak/Ibn Hisham and Tabari. This biography had been translated by Alfred Guillaume (Biography of Prophet Mohammad Published by Oxford University Press). In this book on page 369 Guillaume translates:"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'" The messages from the above sources are enough to prove that a Jew does not have to break any Islamic law or Islamic practice to be killed. The mere fact that he is a Jew is a valid reason for any Muslim to kill him if an opportunity comes. Let us look at another example of a mindless killing of a Jewish lady for simply ridiculing Mohammad (because Mohamad killed another 120 years old Jew by the name Abu Afak) From Ibn Sa'd's, "Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir" [op cit] volume 2, page 31."SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI"Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "basir" (the seeing). END OF QUOTEPlease note that the apostle of Allah never took any action against this senseless, cruel and unjust killing. This was the disposition of our peaceful prophet against anyone whom he considered to be a threat to his reputation. What language do we use in modern day to describe this type of killers. Yes, the Psychiatrists and the Psychologists call these people as psychotic/neurotic and compulsive killers who derive pleasure through the physical elimination of their critics.This is the mindset of Idi Amin, Saddam Hussain, Ayatollah Khomeini, Maulan Saikul Hadis, Mullah Omor, Osama bin Ladin, Ayman Zawhiri…..etc. We should call them with two simple words e.g ISLAMIC PSYCHO.For a more gruesome killing of a pregnant lady read this hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud. In this killing even the about to be born baby was not spared.Book 38, Number 4348:Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it.He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.He sat before the Prophet and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. END OF QUOTEAre you aghast at the above example of cruelty and insanity of the followers of early Islam? No. not yet. Please read the following narration of how a very old lady was torn into two pieces by tying her two legs to two camels and driving the camels in opposite directions.This incident involves the actions of Muslims who were sent out by Muhammad on a raid against the Fazara tribe. The Muslims were initially defeated by the Fazara. The wounded Muslim leader swore vengeance. After he recovered he went out and attacked the Fazara again. One very old women was captured.Here is the account from Guillaume, op cit, and page 665:"....and Umm Qirfa Fatima was taken prisoner. She was a very old women, wife of Malik. Her daughter and Abdullah Masada were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly (Tabari, by putting a rope to her two legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two.)The description of the following act of murder by another Islamic Psycho may cause you sleepless nights. Please note that in this murder case the only fault of the victim was that he refused to become a Muslim. Also note that he was a one-eyed blind poor shepherd and he was of the same tribe as his killer and how Mohammad blessed this Islamic Psycho.The incident involves another Muslim man named Amr Umayya, who was sent out by Muhammad to murder Muhammad's enemy Abu Sufyan, (Guillaume, op cit, and page 673). However, their assassination attempt failed. As he returned home, he met a one-eyed shepherd. The shepherd and the Muslim man both identified themselves as members of the same Arab clan. Prior to going asleep, the shepherd said that he would never become a Muslim. Umayya waited for the shepherd to fall asleep, and thereafter:"as soon as the badu was asleep and snoring I got up and killed him in a more horrible way than any man has been killed. I put the end of my bow in his sound eye, then I bore down on it until I forced it out at the back of his neck."Umayya returned and spoke with Muhammad. He relates......."He [Muhammad] asked my news and when I told him what had happened he blessed me".This essay will remain incomplete till we have a look at the following ahadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud. You may disbelieve what you are reading. These ahadith may even force you to rethink on what you have always heard about peaceful Islam.Mohammad Killed a man for refusing to join JihadBook 14, Number 2530:Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Our Lord Most High is pleased with a man who fights in the path of Allah, the Exalted; then his companions fled away (i.e. retreated). But he knew that it was a sin (to flee away from the battlefield), so he returned, and his blood was shed. Thereupon Allah, the Exalted, says to His angels: Look at My servant; he returned seeking what I have for him (i.e. the reward), and fearing (the punishment) I have, until his blood was shed.The height of cruelty. A senile woman was beheaded for laughingBook 14, Number 2665:Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? She said: I I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. She said: The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.Mohammad beheaded his competitor Masaylimah Abdullah's follower (who also claimed to be the messenger of Allah during Mohammad's time)Book 14, Number 2756:Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:Harithah ibn Mudarrib said that he came to Abdullah ibn Mas'ud and said (to him): There is no enmity between me and any of the Arabs. I passed a mosque of Banu Hanifah. They (the people) believed in Musaylimah. Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) sent for them. They were brought, and he asked them to repent, except Ibn an-Nawwahah. He said to him: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: Were it not that you were not a messenger, I would behead you. But today you are not a messenger. He then ordered Qarazah ibn Ka'b (to kill him). He beheaded him in the market. Anyone who wants to see Ibn an-Nawwahah slain in the market (he may see him).Banu Qurayzah men with pubic hair were beheadedBook 38, Number 4390:Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.A man was stoned to death like a dogBook 38, Number 4414:Narrated AbuHurayrah:A man of the tribe of Aslam came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and testified four times against himself that he had had illicit intercourse with a woman, while all the time the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was turning away from him.Then when he confessed a fifth time, he turned round and asked: Did you have intercourse with her? He replied: Yes. He asked: Have you done it so that your sexual organ penetrated hers? He replied: Yes. He asked: Have you done it like a collyrium stick when enclosed in its case and a rope in a well? He replied: Yes. He asked: Do you know what fornication is? He replied: Yes. I have done with her unlawfully what a man may lawfully do with his wife.He then asked: What do you want from what you have said? He said: I want you to purify me. So he gave orders regarding him and he was stoned to death. Then the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) heard one of his companions saying to another: Look at this man whose fault was concealed by Allah but who would not leave the matter alone, so that he was stoned like a dog. He said nothing to them but walked on for a time till he came to the corpse of an *** with its legs in the air.He asked: Where are so and so? They said: Here we are, Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)! He said: Go down and eat some of this ***'s corpse. They replied: Apostle of Allah! Who can eat any of this? He said: The dishonour you have just shown to your brother is more serious than eating some of it. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, he is now among the rivers of Paradise and plunging into them.A married man was cruelly stoned to death for fathering an illegitimate childBook 38, Number 4421:Narrated Al-Lajlaj al-Amiri:I was working in the market. A woman passed carrying a child. The people rushed towards her, and I also rushed along with them.I then went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) while he was asking: Who is the father of this (child) who is with you? She remained silent.A young man by her side said: I am his father, Apostle of Allah!He then turned towards her and asked: Who is the father of this child with you?The young man said: I am his father, Apostle of Allah! The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then looked at some of those who were around him and asked them about him. They said: We only know good (about him).The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to him: Are you married? He said: Yes. So he gave orders regarding him and he was stoned to death.He (the narrator) said: We took him out, dug a pit for him and put him in it. We then threw stones at him until he died. A man then came asking about the man who was stoned.We brought him to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: This man has come asking about the wicked man.The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: He is more agreeable than the fragrance of musk in the eyes of Allah. The man was his father. We then helped him in washing, shrouding and burying him. (The narrator said) I do not know whether he said or did not say "in praying over him." This is the tradition of Abdah, and it is more accurate.An unwed mother was stoned to death after she delivered the baby even though she repented profuselyBook 38, Number 4426:Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:A woman belonging to the tribe of Juhaynah (according to the version of Aban) came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said that she had committed fornication and that she was pregnant. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) called her guardian.Then the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said to him: Be good to her, and when she bears a child, bring her (to me). When she gave birth to the child, he brought her (to him). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) gave orders regarding her, and her clothes were tied to her. He then commanded regarding her and she was stoned to death. He commanded the people (to pray) and they prayed over her.Thereupon Umar said: Are you praying over her, Apostle of Allah, when she has committed fornication?He said: By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if it were divided among the seventy people of Medina, it would have been enough for them all. And what do you find better than the fact that she gave her life.Aban did not say in his version: Then her clothes were tied to her.Another act of Islamic PsychosisBook 38, Number 4429:Narrated AbuBakrah:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) had a woman stoned and a pit was dug up to her breasts. END OF QUOTE Readers, please note that all the above examples of cruel torture and punishments are meted out in public. The Quran clearly attests to the public exhibition of all beheading, lashing stoning, etc. Did you ever wonder why? Of course, the answer by the Islamists is that this (public exhibition) acts as deterrent. This is completely untrue. In fact, this type of public display of gory scenes may make the society more violent and cruel. The real answer is that Islamic Psychos beget Islamic neurosis. And Islamic neurosis make people inject more Islamic drug. This is the reason why we see the snuff video made out of Daniel Pearl's beheading. This is an alternative method of public display of beheading (because of security problem of the Islamic Psychos). In fact, the entire Hudud Law book is nothing but a graphic horror movie if you could really imagine the described punishments being meted out in front of you. An Islamist does not need to read the book like 'American Psycho' or 'The silence of the lambs' to titillate his pervert senses. The ahadith, the Sha’ria, the Fiqh, the Hudud and the 'Sirat Nabi' all have enough materials to make any sensible person's stomach churn except the stomach of an Islamic Psycho.

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
Ricky, I have no problem giving you the exact reference / source / hadidth. But would you accept the fact then?
If you don't have problem about it, then please showed to me

. I'd like to see it.("Amy")
What about all those hadiths and quranic verses given here that has a reference? Did you accept them?
If i'm not mistake, one of my brother has politely asking you about which translation that you used. I think that was becaused he need to be assured that the translation that you used was not the fabricated translation(i think).And about the hadith, i need to cross check whether the hadith was weak(dho'if) or fake(munkar). If you already learn Islam i think you already knew about it.("Amy")
Perhaps muslims should come out of this denial phase and not blame valid translations as an escape goat. After all arabic is very much an alive language and chances of misinterpatation are slim, very slim.Thanks
I think some of the issues that you are brought here were already been answer and refuted in the link that i gave. And we are not running like a goat. Not like the way you do, when those writers who told God was satan because asking for innocent blood, but at the same time Bible God act like the way the writers said. But at the end.... you just ignore the fact that i show you

, and you are like the one who running like a goat

.Misinterpretation ? Well I think the one who dislike with Islam, which a lot of them bluring what the true meaning was.Best regards,Ricky WWallahu a'lam.

 

[Jordan]

(Ricky W.)
If i'm not mistake, one of my brother has politely asking you about which translation that you used. I think that was becaused he need to be assured that the translation that you used was not the fabricated translation(i think).
Ricky, are you saying that any translation of the Qu'ran, Hadith and/or any other book can be wrong?Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.Extended postBiblical Tetragramaton)
On Page 3 Superjag's first post is brimming with ignorance. First of all 1 john 5:7 in the KJV is a false reading. There is not one Biblical manuscript, in Greek or Latin, from before the 16th Century, which has this reading. Furthermore, I don't see any evangelism going on, just preaching. {sorry for picking on you Superjag, but you make yourself a good example.}
You can nitpick me all you want, but I'm not about to change my Faith anytime soon. I heard so many times from people that the KJB has "wrong reading" or "outdated", therefore it "needs to be corrected". YHWH is my shepherd; I shall not want. I shall not be moved, but by the Wind. And I will say this as well. Allah is not my God. If it has the wrong reading, why can't men copyright Truth? The answer is that ALL Truth belongs to YHWH, there is no darkness in Him, all wisdom came from Him. As men loves darkness over light.

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDid the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? YesDid Islam worship 360 gods ? NoSura Al Ikhlash(112) 1-4.1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4 And there is none like unto Him.Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? YesDid Islam worship thoses things ? No.Fushshilat (41): 37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? YesDid Islam built temples to the Moon-god ? NoAl Jin (72):18 "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah.Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? YesWhat were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.Did Islam has thoses names as name for Allah ? NoWhat was others name for Allah ? There are 99 God's Name, some of them : Al-Hasyr(59):24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the WiseWas the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? YesDid Islam used as the same thing ? NoWas the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” YesWas the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.Did Jews at Arab land use Allah word for God ? YesDid Jews worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Islam pointed word of Allah for moon god ? No. But for the Creator of Universe.Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.Was Islam worshipped Ka'bah ? No.Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? YesWas Allah name was used properly by those infidels ? No. Because Allah was the first name brought by Ishmael, which trought some times, has been distored by the pagans Arab. The same things appear on Jews.Wallaahu a'lam.

 

[Amy]

(Ricky W;18595)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrrohmaanirrohiimIf you don't have problem about it, then please showed to me . I'd like to see it.If i'm not mistake, one of my brother has politely asking you about which translation that you used. I think that was becaused he need to be assured that the translation that you used was not the fabricated translation(i think).And about the hadith, i need to cross check whether the hadith was weak(dho'if) or fake(munkar). If you already learn Islam i think you already knew about it.I think some of the issues that you are brought here were already been answer and refuted in the link that i gave. And we are not running like a goat. Not like the way you do, when those writers who told God was satan because asking for innocent blood, but at the same time Bible God act like the way the writers said. But at the end.... you just ignore the fact that i show you

, and you are like the one who running like a goat

.Misinterpretation ? Well I think the one who dislike with Islam, which a lot of them bluring what the true meaning was.Best regards,Ricky WWallahu a'lam.
Alright Ricky, you choose to avoid my question on purpose I guess, now that is a problem for me. My questionwas : would you accept the fact then? I guess, you will go into your self-defence mode and throw more crap on christianity as an excuse. Useless, that is why I don't waste my time on your and your friend's polite requests. If you think that all the shared material has been ruefuted by the link(s) you provided then, I agree there is no need to run like a goat. By all means, please dream on

As for our viewers, I conclude they are open minded and can use the references provided here. I have even made an effort here to not only provide references but also links to most of them. You see Ricky, the best thing about Ali Sina is that he talks with refernces and he is no story book writer to leave it to the readers to conclude. He is an activist with a cause, his mission is to lead people to quranic refernces like a wake-up slap on the face !From now on I will ignore you and your brain-washed buddies and continue with my work in peace. There is enough material given here for those who have brains and the ability to use it.Regards,-Amy

 

[Jordan]

Well, even if you guys going in self-defence mode...Amy gave us brilliant truth, because she love you guys so much, as Yahshua, who gives Truth, can set you free.John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.John 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.However, if you guys love not the Truth, then shall remain ignorant.I Corinthians 14:38 - But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.But we will not stop saying Truth at all. Why? Cause we love you all so much...We will continue to light the lamp.We will continue on, we will still take this sword and shove it down the throat against the spirit of the Devil, which is Satan's spirits that roams on Earth.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
Alright Ricky, you choose to avoid my question on purpose I guess, now that is a problem for me. My questionwas : would you accept the fact then? I guess, you will go into your self-defence mode and throw more crap on christianity as an excuse.
It is a strange thing if there is people who were claimed already learnt Islam but don't know how is Islam react regarding on the news that appear to a moslems.We as a moslem, if received any kind of news or information, it must be cross check first before accepted it. Furthermore it was regarding on what is in Hadith, because we are admitted that some of Hadith was corrupted by un responsible person in naming to prophet Muhammad s.a.w.If you are can't showed it, just say cannot showed that's it, you don't have to negative thought on me. And I do admitted, if there is something wrong with the interpretation on others religion regarding on what we are believed as a moslem on our faith, ofcourse we will clarify it. And i'm sure you or any religion would do the same thing. So what's wrong with that ?If that's appear on our Hadith so what ? Ofcourse we will not denied it, that it was recorded on our Hadith. But eventhough like that we need to clarify it first. I hope that would more clearly then before.("Amy")
Useless, that is why I don't waste my time on your and your friend's polite requests. If you think that all the shared material has been ruefuted by the link(s) you provided then, I agree there is no need to run like a goat. By all means, please dream on

.
Well we are not dream on regarding on your personal accusing/attack agains Moslems. It just you are not willing to know nor to see what has we been given to your dream thought.
As for our viewers, I conclude they are open minded and can use the references provided here. I have even made an effort here to not only provide references but also links to most of them.
How come you can said it was open minded, meanwhile from our side you are not willing to see our 'self defence', but still considering a lie as a truth ?
You see Ricky, the best thing about Ali Sina is that he talks with refernces and he is no story book writer to leave it to the readers to conclude. He is an activist with a cause, his mission is to lead people to quranic refernces like a wake-up slap on the face !
Well it is to bad, the real true seeker don't know how to seeing objectively on the issue that has been discussed. What a sigh

. If you think the sina was done with the correct source and reference regarding on Islamic perception(honest scholars), well it is too bed that he didn't do that, he just taking from Western translator, which well known has discrimination on Islamic thought.
From now on I will ignore you and your brain-washed buddies and continue with my work in peace. There is enough material given here for those who have brains and the ability to use it.Regards,-Amy
Be my guess, your ignorant wouldn't do any effect to a real true seeker rather then to the hatred of others.For reminder of what amy claimed to be a truth regarding on her link. I will show what amy's truth mean was without cross check first.Claimed to be a truth
Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.
Source : [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url]Does this meant there wouldn't be any kind of prophet after Jesus ?Or Jesus was a prophet as well ?Well that truth claimed actually false according to what the Bible says.According to Bible, there are some of prophets after Jesus 'died on the cross', and considered as true prophets, and there is a fake also. Let us take a look what the Bible says below :Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch. Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus: If What the claim above considered as a true then what was appear on the bible was wrong regarding on true prophets in Acts 13:1.Claimed to be a truth :
You can always know a false god. False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Source : [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url]
If that statement claimed to be a truth then see for your self readers about what was in the Bible which is a FACT :Number 31:31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. Number 31 : 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. I think the writer has forgot what has been foretold in his HOLY BIBLE about HOLOCOUST by THE NAME OF LORD which has been done by Moses with GOD WILLINGNESS, which GOD ORDERED TO KILL INNOCENT MALE CHILD, WOMEN, AND KEEP LITTLE GIRLS FOR THE THEMSELVES.Now amy or anyone who suppurting this guy, are you agree with this man ?If you(amy) considered me throw a crap to a christian, well that is your own problem not mine at all, because i'm just taking A FACT AND A TRUTH THAT APPEAR ON YOUR BIBLE. However I want you to OPEN YOUR EYES, and DON'T BE BLIND to the SOMETHING THAT CLAIMED TOBE TRUTH FROM HUMANS WRITINGS which you brought on the link.If you still cannot understand my point, that is your own problem once again

.Wallahu a'lam.

 

[Jordan]

Gee, you are taking it from the Old Testament scriptures. Do you know why YHWH commanded them to kill people? It's because they are not innocent as to what He gave us in the law. These laws are commanded for people to be put to death.I thank God that we are in the New Covenant when Yahshua died for our sins. We ask for forgiveness in Yahshua's name. Once repent (truly in our heart) Our sins are blot out and YHWH can not remember sin.As for Islam, they are so murdering innocent people...as I will put the quote here.(Post 5)
Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....
Doesn't it ring a bell? We are not blind Ricky. I really don't think you can hear the truth at all.II Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.We are commanded to discern spirits to see if they are of God or not.I Corinthians 12:10 - To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.And I will repeat these verses once more...John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.John 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.P.S. You completely avoided my question, that question was... "Ricky, are you saying that any translation of the Qu'ran, Hadith and/or any other book can be wrong?"

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
Gee, you are taking it from the Old Testament scriptures. Do you know why YHWH commanded them to kill people? It's because they are not innocent as to what He gave us in the law. These laws are commanded for people to be put to death.
What's wrong with OT, that is God commanded, correct ? YesDoes what the writers on amy's link is the same thing like what it says on OT ? Yes.So, you should be can see that, according to the writers on amy's link which considered truth by her or perhaps by you, YHWH was FALSE GOD. Are you understand that ! It is NOT ME who saying that, BUT FALSE CLAIMED STATEMENT OF THE WRITERS WERE WRONG which you and others perhaps considered that false statement as a truth.Gee, you call all kids (which ordered to kill by YHWH) NOT INNOCENT ? You call WOMAN WHO GOT MARRIED WITH THEIRE HUSBAND SHALL BE KILLED no matter is she was pregnant or old woman NOT INNOCENT ? What a GOD!("Jordan")
I thank God that we are in the New Covenant when Yahshua died for our sins. We ask for forgiveness in Yahshua's name. Once repent (truly in our heart) Our sins are blot out and YHWH can not remember sin.
Thanks to your YHWH whether he remember the MURDERED OF INNOCENT CHILD AND WOMAN. Or perhaps YHWH felt sorry for what he did in the past ?("Jordan")
As for Islam, they are so murdering innocent people...as I will put the quote here.Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....
See again what Jews has done to the prophets and what OT has recorded. Jews said, You will die for what I want, what I believe, THATS FACT! What a hypocrasy.Some Christians said, You will poor if not following us, and you will die for the name of Jesus, i can see it infront of my eyes with some of those christians.A Mujahidin says : "I will die for God and His Messenger".("Jordan")
Doesn't it ring a bell? We are not blind Ricky. I really don't think you can hear the truth at all.
Or you are the one who cannot seeing the truth ?Event you cannot seeing what it's clearly lie which being showed upsthere.So don't tell me that i cannot hear it, if you are not event seeing the closely infront of your eyes.
II Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.We are commanded to discern spirits to see if they are of God or not.
But it's to bad, you are following a lier and hatred of Islam which amy's link showed, which i already proof it to you. You can pay attention why i'm saying to cross check first at every news that appear on me.II Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"Jordan")
I Corinthians 12:10 - To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
This is the funny one, one of my Christian friends said A on regarding on one verse, then said it was need holy spirit to understand it and he claimed tobe. But when I gave him others intrepratation, he insist that he was the right one, and guest what, the intrepretation that i gave was from Christian scholars

which i'm very sure the scholars has the same thing to say.Now NIV and KJV for example, both intrepreter was a Christian, i bet both of them will claimed inspired by Holy spirit to understand the scripture, then the question which spirit that come into in ? Non of you can blame one in the others, if you blame one into others, then the others will do the same thing. Those verse that you gave, has a blunder in the reality. Seek the truth for your self regarding on the verse that gave regarding my experience on differ christian

.
Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.[And I will repeat these verses once more...John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Take a lesson from the differ between NIV, KJV, NKJV, and others, ok

.
P.S. You completely avoided my question, that question was... "Ricky, are you saying that any translation of the Qu'ran, Hadith and/or any other book can be wrong?"
Well i'm not, i answered that across along with respons on amy.
Well it is to bad, the real true seeker don't know how to seeing objectively on the issue that has been discussed. What a sigh . If you think the sina was done with the correct source and reference regarding on Islamic perception(honest scholars), well it is too bed that he didn't do that, he just taking from Western translator, which well known has discrimination on Islamic thought.
I would say yes, that's depend on who was translating it, if moslem scholars you may have clear views on translation, rather then the orientalist oneWallahu a'lam.

 

[Amy]

(Ricky W;18597)
Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? YesWas the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” YesWas the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? YesWas he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Guy's please note this, not my words :studyRicky W;18597)
Was Islam worshipped Ka'bah ? No.
HELLO, next thing we are going to be told is Islam is being worshiped in my back-yard

 

[Amy]

My dear Jag

Relax and enjoy Ricky's views on christianity. This is a great way for you to learn how quran twists bible. In fact ask him to show you the surat from his ''authentic version of quran'' where it talks about how Allah (who is a WE in all translations of quran, ironic) impreganated Mary and the birth of Christ. That will give you proof enough of how quran by-passes all the Holy books before Islam. Allah is so kinky

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmanirrohiim(Amy)
Guy's please note this, not my wordsOriginally Posted by Ricky W Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? YesWas the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” YesWas the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? YesWas he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Ha...ha...ha... very funny indeed, that wasn't my writings at all, or you are the one who forgot the brought at the first time. Nice twisting amy.http://www.christianityboard.com/showthrea...18379#post18379I copied again so you can make it clear :Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes (your quotes)Did Islam used as the same thing ? No (my response)Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes (your quotes)Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes (your quotes)Did Jews at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (my respons)Did Christians at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (additional) (My response)Did Islam at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (additional) (My response)Did Jews worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Christians worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Islam worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Islam pointed word of Allah for moon god ? No. But for the Creator of Universe.Islamic stating it very clearlyFushshilat (41): 37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.So nice twisting amy, really i admire you on twisting my writings

.("Amy")
HELLO, next thing we are going to be told is Islam is being worshiped in my back-yard

I think i've done misperception on this, then i'm sorry and clarify this(*hope this one the correct one

).Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes. (your quotes)Was He The Most High (on Islam) worshipped at the Ka'bah? No.We aren't worshipping God at the Ka'bah, Pagans did, but we didn't. We (moslem) would never ever worship Ka'bah or what inside it at all. Why Moslem prayer facing Ka'bah ? That's because God order His Follower do so, So the Ka'bah was only direction on God order. If God order us to worship wherever He want to, then we follow what He want to. For example, moslem at the first time worship facing Jerussalem, then Moslem and Prophet prayer facing Jerusalem. But After God point His Clue to prophet He want to change it the direction on praying to Ka'bah, so be it, we will follow it that way.Wallahu a'lam.

 

[Amy]

(Ricky W;18653)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmanirrohiimHa...ha...ha... very funny indeed, that wasn't my writings at all, or you are the one who forgot the brought at the first time. Nice twisting amy.http://www.christianityboard.com/showthrea...18379#post18379I copied again so you can make it clear :Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes (your quotes)Did Islam used as the same thing ? No (my response)Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes (your quotes)Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes (your quotes)Did Jews at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (my respons)Did Christians at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (additional) (My response)Did Islam at Arab land use Allah word for God ? Yes (additional) (My response)Did Jews worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Christians worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Islam worship moon god by using those word ? No.Did Islam pointed word of Allah for moon god ? No. But for the Creator of Universe.Islamic stating it very clearlyFushshilat (41): 37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.So nice twisting amy, really i admire you on twisting my writings

.I think i've done misperception on this, then i'm sorry and clarify this(*hope this one the correct one

).Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes. (your quotes)Was He The Most High (on Islam) worshipped at the Ka'bah? No.We are worshipping God at the Ka'bah, Pagans did, but we didn't. We (moslem) would never ever worship Ka'bah or what inside it at all. Why Moslem prayer facing Ka'bah ? That's because God order His Follower do so, So the Ka'bah was only direction on God order. If God order us to worship wherever He want to, then we follow what He want to. For example, moslem at the first time worship facing Jerussalem, then Moslem and Prophet prayer facing Jerusalem. But After God point His Clue to prophet He want to change it the direction on praying to Ka'bah, so be it, we will follow it that way.Wallahu a'lam.
Pardon me for the misunderstanding Ricky, it is indeed funny since you quoted the same things, I thought you were agreeing to it.Now be a good muslim an do accept my apology for mis-quoting and not for the fact that allah is a moon god

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
Pardon me for the misunderstanding Ricky, it is indeed funny since you quoted the same things, I thought you were agreeing to it.
Ha..ha...ha... if you see my response, i think you should understand at the beginning, and i was making an comparison. And your pardon granted

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Now be a good muslim an do accept my apology for mis-quoting
Your apologies been accepted.
and not for the fact that allah is a moon god
Ha...ha...ha... getting more funny, don't you know before pagans exist, there was Ishmael using those word to worshipping God. But after through several times, the true meaning on the word Allah was blur because of those Arabic pagans community.It's can be proof that, Jews neither Christian Arabs using the word Allah for God at prophet Muhammad s.a.w. time. And event till this day, they are still using it, and not just that, event Indonesia christian using Allah word for God Father(NT) and God(OT). See for your self http://sabdaweb.sabda.org/search/?p=Allah&s=on. I give you a translation on Indonesia language Genesis was Kejadian (Indonesia).You can see it at Bible Gateway, the word Allah was meaning God. So if you saying those Christians Arab was pagans or worshipping moon god, please go a head, that is not my problems

, but that is your own christians problems

. Because Moslem has declared clear on the Quran verse that I brought before.Wallahu a'lam.