MY GOSPEL

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Heres another way you can think about it too.

In Heb 3:5 it tells us that Moses was for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Jesus confirms the same saying

John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

God said by Moses

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jesus confirms the same

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut continues,

Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

And again, Jesus is confirming the same

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

He calls his word "my words" but they are not his words

As Jesus said, "I have not spoken of myself" (John 12:49) therefore the words Jesus had spoken were the words given to him and Jesus in turns gives these to them.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John speaks of the doctrine of Christ

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Because Jesus said that his doctrine (the doctrine that he preached) was not his own

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

And again,

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

The doctrine of Christ is the doctrine of God because Jesus tells us that his doctrine was not his, but that he was given the words, and that he spake by commandment which also confirm the words God spake unto Moses.

Again,

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Whether it be called the gospel of Christ, Jesus was anointed before he preached the gospel (Luke 4:18) its called the gospel of God by both Paul and Peter, and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and he speaks of My gospel also, which isn't really odd if you think about it.

Just say you have a gospel, and you are making clear what the gospel you preach is all about, you might say, the gospel that I preach is "such and such" or you might say to someone else, in contrast to another gospel this is my gospel (which, as with Christ, and his doctrine was not his doctrine, but could be called his).
 
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Heres another way you can think about it too.

In Heb 3:5 it tells us that Moses was for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Jesus confirms the same saying

John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

God said by Moses

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jesus confirms the same

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut continues,

Duet 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

And again, Jesus is confirming the same

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

He calls his word "my words" but they are not his words

As Jesus said, "I have not spoken of myself" (John 12:49) therefore the words Jesus had spoken were the words given to him and Jesus in turns gives these to them.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John speaks of the doctrine of Christ

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Because Jesus said that his doctrine (the doctrine that he preached) was not his own

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

And again,

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

The doctrine of Christ is the doctrine of God because Jesus tells us that his doctrine was not his, but that he was given the words, and that he spake by commandment which also confirm the words God spake unto Moses.

Again,

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Whether it be called the gospel of Christ, Jesus was anointed before he preached the gospel (Luke 4:18) its called the gospel of God by both Paul and Peter, and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and he speaks of My gospel also, which isn't really odd if you think about it.

Just say you have a gospel, and you are making clear what the gospel you preach is all about, you might say, the gospel that I preach is "such and such" or you might say to someone else, in contrast to another gospel this is my gospel (which, as with Christ, and his doctrine was not his doctrine, but could be called his).
Seems a reasonable take--either way, it does not at all of necessity follow from Paul saying "my Gospel" that Paul also meant "my Gospel is different than Peter's--through Peter's Gospel, Jew and Gentile enter 'the remnant of Israel Church', but, through my Gospel, Jew and Gentile enter the 'body of Christ Church', and only the 'remnant of Israel Church' is the 'bride of Christ', whereas the 'body of Christ Church' is not the bride of Christ." It just is a non sequitur, a fallacy. One needs A LOT more than just "my Gospel" to prove Paul meant all the rest of the nonsense that is presented by Doug (which Scripture, as has already been shown, contradicts).
 

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Seems a reasonable take--either way, it does not at all of necessity follow from Paul saying "my Gospel" that Paul also meant "my Gospel is different than Peter's--through Peter's Gospel, Jew and Gentile enter 'the remnant of Israel Church', but, through my Gospel, Jew and Gentile enter the 'body of Christ Church', and only the 'remnant of Israel Church' is the 'bride of Christ', whereas the 'body of Christ Church' is not the bride of Christ." It just is a non sequitur, a fallacy. One needs A LOT more than just "my Gospel" to prove Paul meant all the rest of the nonsense that is presented by Doug (which Scripture, as has already been shown, contradicts).

Yeah, I dont always see eye to eye with Doug on whatever direction he might be inclined to take some things, I am certainly not familar with them all. He has always been cordial while beating the same drums.
 
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Yeah, I dont always see eye to eye with Doug on whatever direction he might be inclined to take some things, I am certainly not familar with them all. He has always been cordial while beating the same drums.
I guess I am not cordial, but the issue at hand, the focus of the thread, the topic, is simply the truth or falsehood of his conclusions--and I have never in my life heard anything so bizarre as what Doug is saying.
 

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I guess I am not cordial, but the issue at hand, the focus of the thread, the topic, is simply the truth or falsehood of his conclusions--and I have never in my life heard anything so bizarre as what Doug is saying.
In this day and age that we live in (and all the crazy) its hard to believe that you haven't heard of anything equally if not moreso bizarre.

Doug keeps the board busy sml
 
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In this day and age that we live in (and all the crazy) its hard to believe that you haven't heard of anything equally if not moreso bizarre.

Doug keeps the board busy sml
Well, I've seen and heard more bizarre things than this, yes, but not with respect to Biblical studies. If we're talking about Biblical studies, this is the most bizarre thing I've heard, other than when gays try to abuse Scripture to defend homosexuality LOL
 

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Have you not understood Jesus was specifically telling the rich young ruler to sell all and come follow Jesus because Jesus was inviting Him to be on His Staff?
You say you arent commanded to sell all because he was only telling the rich young man to do so..........soo what you are saying is you dont have to obey ALL that Jesus commands.....thats what I am saying

How about this verse then
[Luk 12:33 KJV] 33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

No rich ruler in this verse why doesnt this apply for you to obey?

I can learn alot of things from what Jesus said
What Jesus tells me to do and think he gave me thru Paul
 

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Every single word of jesus you have to know and do as He ask
[Mar 16:17-18 KJV] 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Before I said that if you believe you should heal the sick and you said some are healed....Jesus didnt say SOME.........so you are changing his word, not deliberately, but you cant heal can you....so while you may do some of what he says to do you CAN"T do all


[Luk 5:13-14 KJV] 13 And he put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will: be thou clean. And immediately the leprosy departed from him. 14 And he charged him to tell no man: but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

If you were to be healed you cant go to the priest to make an offer either....there are no priests or offerings NOW

YOU CANT DO EVERY SINGLE WORD
 

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it does say they understood scripture and they did, as an example when i think if a reply for you or other, I Know what verses to apply even if I did not know these verses, that is the comforter or Holy Spirit working in those who have received it. The Holy Spirit also teaches you things and let you know of events to come, but that is for another time.

Luk 24:31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

Luk 24:32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

As for having "all understanding" only God our father in heaven possesses it.
The disciples understood the scripture in regard to his death and resurrection after his resurrection but not before
 

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you are destined for the Kingdom of heaven only if Jesus wants you there, it is by HIS words and His words alone that we are all judged certainly not by Pauls gospel as he said here is the proof;

“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—
the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”
(John 12:48)

are you afraid now? if not, you should be!
[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

If you follow Paul you ARE following Christ

[2Ti 3:16 KJV] 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All scripture including Paul are his words