My Lord And Savior Is Not A "SISSIFIED NEEDY JESUS", But HE is a GOD of WRATH!!

[Preacher4Truth]

I've already explained this and you ignored it.

Of course they ignore these things, they can't suffer any correction by the word; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Timothy 4:1-2.

So, better just ignore it!

 

[Renniks]

But to the point and real meaning of Romans 9:20 which characterizes you, the man is complaining against God's purpose to save some, not others, and then crying to God because he can still find fault with man even though he leaves him in such a condition and finally condemns him. He is angry with God and calling him unfair if he does so.

That's not what is going on in Romans 9. Paul is laying out how God brought about the plan of salvation through Israel, despite Israel's rebellion. He's not talking about individuals being saved here.
verse 19: "One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?"
Notice what the rebellious Jew who doesn't like God's plan to bring salvation to the gentiles says. He actually sounds exactly like a Calvinist. He wants to know why God is blaming him for his sin when God is using it to bring salvation to the rest of the world. And then he asks who resists God's will. Paul's answer makes it clear that he is resisting God's will. (Something that is impossible under Calvinism, as they have already said on this thread.) Anyone who doubts this, go back and read the replies. Calvinists teach everything, even our sin and rebellion, is God's will. So, again, under your system, if I complain to God, God predestined me to complain against him.
And now watch the Calvinists try to backpedal and claim they never said exactly that.

 

[Renniks]

That is such a shallow and ignorant interpretation of that verse.

Wow, that was deep.

 

[Renniks]

A case of 1 Corinthians 2:14?

So, now you are trying to say I'm not saved because I don't agree with your theology. Yawn, same old, same old.

 

[Waiting on him]

Of course they ignore these things, they can't suffer any correction by the word; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Timothy 4:1-2.

So, better just ignore it!

I’ve lost count of how many times you’ve falsely accused me, maybe your reformed theology is in need of reformation?

 

[reformed1689]

verse 19: "One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us?

What translation is that? That is not what that verse says. It says "Why does He still find fault?"

 

[Nancy]

That's not what is going on in Romans 9. Paul is laying out how God brought about the plan of salvation through Israel, despite Israel's rebellion. He's not talking about individuals being saved here.
verse 19: "One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?"
Notice what the rebellious Jew who doesn't like God's plan to bring salvation to the gentiles says. He actually sounds exactly like a Calvinist. He wants to know why God is blaming him for his sin when God is using it to bring salvation to the rest of the world. And then he asks who resists God's will. Paul's answer makes it clear that he is resisting God's will. (Something that is impossible under Calvinism, as they have already said on this thread.) Anyone who doubts this, go back and read the replies. Calvinists teach everything, even our sin and rebellion, is God's will. So, again, under your system, if I complain to God, God predestined me to complain against him.
And now watch the Calvinists try to backpedal and claim they never said exactly that.

“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?"
Notice what the rebellious Jew who doesn't like God's plan to bring salvation to the gentiles "

BINGO-you win Very well put brother.

 

[reformed1689]

“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?"
Notice what the rebellious Jew who doesn't like God's plan to bring salvation to the gentiles "

BINGO-you win Very well put brother.

Two problems.
1. It isn't the Jew saying that. Remember, Paul is writing to the church at Rome, Gentiles, not Jews.
2. It doesn't say us. It says "Why does he still find fault?"

So no, not a bingo win.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Once again, one simple question and you all fall apart. I don’t understand how a question can be seen as hatred or an argument so here it is once more if you all can here me up there

How do you all know you’re the elect!!

We believe the gospel by God given enablement.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

I don't believe I could follow the teachings of a man who threatened death to those who did not agree with his theology.... and then made sure they were killed when he could do it.

The Teaching comes from Jesus and the Apostles , it is troubling that you say you cannot believe it.

 

[Waiting on him]

We believe the gospel by God given enablement.

Any at anytime could have simply replied we know because of our love for the brethren, but all I receive is insult upon insult, over a simple question.

 

[Waiting on him]

Any at anytime could have simply replied we know because of our love for the brethren, but all I receive is insult upon insult, over a simple question.

This would require a pulse, emotion, some resemblance of love.

 

[Waiting on him]

This would require a pulse, emotion, some resemblance of love.

It almost happened with the starfish before he was called down by the preacher.

 

[Waiting on him]

For truth.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Revelation 20:10 KJV
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

how, in the place of torment “the lake of fire and brimstone” there is “day and night”?

 

[reformed1689]

It almost happened with the starfish before he was called down by the preacher.

Having conversations with yourself now?

 

[Waiting on him]

Having conversations with yourself now?

I wish you had the power Paul refers to.
I really do

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Two problems.
1. It isn't the Jew saying that. Remember, Paul is writing to the church at Rome, Gentiles, not Jews.
2. It doesn't say us. It says "Why does he still find fault?"

So no, not a bingo win.

Funny how they always miss it, and every attempt to interpret is to get themselves off the hook. "Here, let me make this not applicable to me and neutralize it! Phew, I feel better now!"

 

[reformed1689]

I wish you had the power Paul refers to.
I really do

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[reformed1689]

Funny how they always miss it, and every attempt to interpret is to get themselves off the hook. "Here, let me make this not applicable to me and neutralize it! Phew, I feel better now!"

They also go silent when you give them something that blows their falsehoods out of the water.