Nancy and Her Church

[Illuminator]

This was not a hateful rant. Just the facts. Here is what Catholic web site Lifesite News had published: "Pelosi sacrilegiously received our Lord despite her bishop, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, forbidding her from Communion until she repents of her pro-abortion advocacy."
WATCH: John-Henry Westen, Michael Matt react to Pelosi's Communion at Mass with Pope Francis - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

So what. I acknowledged much the same thing, you skipped the facts in post 77. So blaming the pope, when it wasn't his fault, calling him a communist, discrediting the entire papacy over one rebel IS A HATEFUL RANT. Come out of your fundie ghetto and grow up.

 

[EloyCraft]

That is because they taught what Jesus taught them. Not what seemed good to them.

God condemned that in Israel in the time of the judges (everyone did what was right in their eye's) and He condemns it today.

You are referring to a totally different thing.

I mean the power Jesus gave His Church.

The power to bind and loose. How about " sins you forgive are forgiven sins you retain are retained .
The Church ministers the power of Christ to the world . You don't believe in a Church that operates in the power of Christ offering the same gifts that Jesus did.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Really?

the apostles “are” the light of the world!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

the church “is” the pillar of truth!

1 Tim 3:15

Acts 15:25
It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Acts 15:28
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Sending men out and teaching something other than Jesus commanded them to teach are comparing apples and oranges. All you did was to search form something that said"it seemed good to us".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are referring to a totally different thing.

I mean the power Jesus gave His Church.

The power to bind and loose. How about " sins you forgive are forgiven sins you retain are retained .
The Church ministers the power of Christ to the world . You don't believe in a Church that operates in the power of Christ offering the same gifts that Jesus did.

Well teh church has no authorioty to not forgive sins- that belongs to god alone!

what that refers to is the consequences of sin. Such as in the examples of Ananias and Sephira. Or as you wrote teh binding and loosing of the consequences of a sin physically. Only god can forgive sins spiritually.

And the power we are talking here is for church discipline and falls after the first three steps have been taken. and this course of action is always with th egoal of reconciliation and not punishment.

 

[theefaith]

Sending men out and teaching something other than Jesus commanded them to teach are comparing apples and oranges. All you did was to search form something that said"it seemed good to us".

the church “is” the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15

apostles have a hierarchical jurisdictional authority

 

[EloyCraft]

Well teh church has no authorioty to not forgive sins- that belongs to god alone!

That's what the Jews said too.

Jesus gave that authority. before He ascended.


Luke 7
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

the church “is” the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15

apostles have a hierarchical jurisdictional authority

As long as it follows what Jesus taught it to teach. It has no authority aoutside of jesus and what He commanded them to teach!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's what the Jews said too.

Jesus gave that authority. before He ascended.


Luke 7
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

this has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins. If you were a student of Scripture you would know so.

 

[EloyCraft]

this has nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins. If you were a student of Scripture you would know so.

Hmm

 

[EloyCraft]

The bias inherent in the world that seeks hierarchical status.
Who did the Father prepare to occupy seats on both sides of Christ? One on the right and one on the left of Jesus when He entered His Kingdom?

Jesus wasn't exaggerating about what it means to sit in high places in His Kingdom. If someone understands what it means jealousy I think might be embarrassing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hmm

Only god can forgive teh judicial penalty of sin - which is being cast into teh lake of fire. However men can erase the consequence of sin (remember the wages of sin is death, so when we sin we earn something), So if Ananias and Sephira were believers, they went to heaven, but they paid the price sin demands in this life for their lying.

 

[EloyCraft]

That's just doesn't describe my Church or the Church described in the NT.
The Church recorded in the bible; gives the believers what Jesus gave when here.The same divine power giving the same supernatural gifts..

Not to offend but your model seems to fit the false church told about in the bible. Having a form of religion but with out the power thereof..

 

[theefaith]

That's what the Jews said too.

Jesus gave that authority. before He ascended.


Luke 7
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 

[theefaith]

As long as it follows what Jesus taught it to teach. It has no authority aoutside of jesus and what He commanded them to teach!

and there are no new doctrines in the Christian faith!

the sacred deposit of faith was from Christ to his church in the persons of the apostles eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
The church can only make this faith known to all men and to condemn all errors that are offices to it!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

and there are no new doctrines in the Christian faith!

the sacred deposit of faith was from Christ to his church in the persons of the apostles eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
The church can only make this faith known to all men and to condemn all errors that are offices to it!

Jesus never taught about what most of Catholicism teaches. Those all came from men and their slick philosophical reinterpreting Scripture.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus never taught about what most of Catholicism teaches. Those all came from men and their slick philosophical reinterpreting Scripture.

you were there with him those three years?

 

[theefaith]

Jesus never taught about what most of Catholicism teaches. Those all came from men and their slick philosophical reinterpreting Scripture.

not all of it is in scripture
Jn 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

you were there with him those three years?

Were you? If these non biblical issues were so critical for believers, God is smart enough to have preserved them in the Scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Things not found in Scripture may or may not be of God. All depends on how they stay faithful to the Inspired Word.

not all of it is in scripture
Jn 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

And that is what all cults say. Secret revelations, oral traditions passed down, other writings etc.etc. Think hard, if it was important enough, god would have preserved it in His Inspired Word.

 

[theefaith]

Were you? If these non biblical issues were so critical for believers, God is smart enough to have preserved them in the Scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Things not found in Scripture may or may not be of God. All depends on how they stay faithful to the Inspired Word.





And that is what all cults say. Secret revelations, oral traditions passed down, other writings etc.etc. Think hard, if it was important enough, god would have preserved it in His Inspired Word.

yes we were there with him for three years (the communion of saints)

all truths revealed by God in Christ and taught by holy church are important and must be believed for salvation without any error

Essential doctrine:
Some doctrines are necessary and some are not is error, it is unlawful and forbidden to reject a truth revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived.

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

yes we were there with him for three years (the communion of saints)

all truths revealed by God in Christ and taught by holy church are important and must be believed for salvation without any error

Essential doctrine:
Some doctrines are necessary and some are not is error, it is unlawful and forbidden to reject a truth revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived.

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

And this statement of yours is why you are guilty of preaching another gospel.

for you to think that whatever Romanism declares is always from god is naive at best and demonic at worst. The church is not a sect like romanism born in the 6th Century but a living organism comprised of all believers from all ages from all sects.

And no you were no tthere when Jesus walked the earth. You did not exist yet! Please come back to planet earth!