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Once agan......Im talking to people here who know some verses., who read their bible...who study it.
If you spend more time reading commentaries or someone's Greek Text explanation, then im not talking to you.
If you only know what the Pope said, or how to pray to Mary, or want to talk about how water saved you, then im not talking to you, and you are not going to hear me, unless God gives you ears to hear.
Thats the spiritual reality.
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So, if you know some bible, some NT..... then you are going to recognize that im using verses in the teaching that is to follow....., tho im not quoting or numbering them...
Sometimes when i teach online, a noob, or a carnal baby believer, will say...>"you don't post the verse".....Yet, i just gave 40 of them in the teaching that they dont recognize, because they really do not study the word.,,,,they are just here to try to argue their self righteous POV.
But if you do know some WORD, and you read what i teach, on Forums all over the world, then you'll recognize that i write the verses, but dont quote them, as i teach... usually.
Now,
To the born again, and not to the water baptized (ONLY)< who are not actually born again.... Yet.
Listen...
Jesus said...."without me you can do nothing". and another way to think of this statement ... "without me" is.....= "apart from me".
Saint...... to have a renewed mind, is to walk in the Light, as HE is in the Light and as Jesus IS the Light and Life.
The Light, is the revelation of who you have become, AS a child of the Light, and a Son of God or a Daughter of Christ.
If you do not have the correct understanding regarding who you have become IN CHRIST, then you are not walking in the Light, you are in the dark, and are probably fallen from Grace.
What is Grace?
Grace, as "the gospel of the Grace of God" that is to become an heir of God and a joint heir with Christ..... is the LIGHT of the knowledge regarding the Truth that God, as Christ on the Cross...has made you righteous, and that not of yourself.
God's righteousness is not you trying to be good. God's righteousness is not commandment keeping, law keeping, Shabbat keeping, or church membership.
God's righteousness, is God's death for your sin, in your place, and you receive this GRACE by faith, as it is the GOSPEL, and upon believing it you are born again.
Now, the next step, is not to try to work to stay saved, as if you have fallen into that FAITH, then you are in wrong faith, and you are now up on the Cross trying to save yourself, and Jesus is ripped off the nails.
Understand?
Think about that....as that is what happens when a person who is justified by faith, and born again, .... leaves this Grace of God and starts trying to keep themselves saved, by SELF.
This is what Jesus is talking about, and these are the redeemed he's talking to, when He says....>"without me, apart from me, you can do NOTHING">
See, you can be born again, and be able to do NOTHING..........except not lose your salvation. In other words, you are in the work of trying to do for yourself, what God as Christ has already done for you.
You are trying to STAY SAVED, which is to "fall from Grace"......... As this is a BELIEF issue, whereby a person who is born again, has left faith in Christ, and now has faith in FAITH, or faith in SELF, or faith in WATER or faith in the Law and Commandments. (Works).
Notice that this person has left the simplicity that is in Christ, and is now pursuing "here is how i go to heaven".. "here is how i keep myself saved".....>"here is what i must now DO, to go to heaven".
Notice Saint that Jesus is left out.
There is no Cross in that broken faith.
There is only "me me me me, what i i i i I I I , am doing for ME, to try to save ME".
See that?
That is SELF Righteousness that is trying to be God's Righteousness. = FAIL.....= "fallen from GRACE".
And THAT, is how the born again become..>"without me you can do nothing"....>"Apart from me, you can do nothing" ...Jesus says.
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow Me; And I give to them eternal life; and they shall not perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."Once agan......Im talking to people here who know some verses., who read their bible...who study it.
This is funny. You criticize commentary and yet that is what YOU present.If you spend more time reading commentaries or someone's Greek Text explanation, then im not talking to you.
If you only know what the Pope said, or how to pray to Mary, or want to talk about how water saved you, then im not talking to you, and you are not going to hear me, unless God gives you ears to hear.
Thats the spiritual reality.
"All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2 Tim. 3:16So, if you know some bible, some NT..... then you are going to recognize that im using verses in the teaching that is to follow....., tho im not quoting or numbering them...
Paraphrasing is okay, but word for word is stronger.But if you do know some WORD, and you read what i teach, on Forums all over the world, then you'll recognize that i write the verses, but dont quote them, as i teach... usually.
A born again believer is familiar to me, especially in view of their works, that is to say the Holy Spirit working through them or speaking through them. The fruit is clearly seen. By their fruit you will know them. But what if you do not see fruit? Unless we really know this person, we can't see their heart. They could be saved, an infant who has not grown to yet bear fruit. We don't know. God's seed could be growing in them and we just don't see the fruit yet.To the born again, and not to the water baptized (ONLY)< who are not actually born again.... Yet.
True. We renew our mind by reading the WORD ... word for word.Saint...... to have a renewed mind, is to walk in the Light, as HE is in the Light and as Jesus IS the Light and Life.
The Light, is the revelation of who you have become, AS a child of the Light, and a Son of God or a Daughter of Christ.
No, those who are new believers are in Christ have much to learn and need to grow in understanding. Our vison is blurry and about some things, we are in the dark - so we pray and ask God to enlightens us about all things.If you do not have the correct understanding regarding who you have become IN CHRIST, then you are not walking in the Light, you are in the dark, and are probably fallen from Grace.
What is Grace?
So you are advocating that righteousness is not keeping the commandments or not going to church?God's righteousness is not you trying to be good. God's righteousness is not commandment keeping, law keeping, Shabbat keeping, or church membership
OSASNow, the next step, is not to try to work to stay saved, as if you have fallen into that FAITH, then you are in wrong faith, and you are now up on the Cross trying to save yourself, and Jesus is ripped off the nails.
And with Me, you will do something - hopefully.This is what Jesus is talking about, and these are the redeemed he's talking to, when He says....>"without me, apart from me, you can do NOTHING">
See, you can be born again, and be able to do NOTHING..........except not lose your salvation. In other words, you are in the work of trying to do for yourself, what God as Christ has already done for you
Once agan......Im talking to people here who know some verses., who read their bible...who study it.
If you spend more time reading commentaries or someone's Greek Text explanation, then im not talking to you.
This is funny. You criticize commentary and yet that is what YOU present.
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So you are advocating that righteousness is not keeping the commandments or not going to church?
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See that?
See that?
Some post personal attacks when their error is pointed out!!=Sad!!
Posting personal attacks is ALWAYS error!!
Enough!!! Who would say this post is not a personal attack???
"""Behold, you unfortunately haven't changed a bit. You're still just as shallow and pompous as you have ever been, presuming with every post to be everyone's "teacher," and that anyone who disagrees with you just isn't smart enough to "see" the brilliance of your posts.
Reader, "Behold" is a theological quack. You would do very well NOT to read his posts."""
Just like I have chosen to generally skip over what you post, GISMYS_7, and as for Behold, I believe I give his posts the same treatment.
In another thread, the question was asked, "What is found in your Bible?," To which I replied in essence with, "the poorly understood source material to generate a lot of hot air."
There is nothing new under the sun. All is but vanity.
Enough!!! Who would say this post is not a personal attack???
"""Behold, you unfortunately haven't changed a bit. You're still just as shallow and pompous as you have ever been, presuming with every post to be everyone's "teacher," and that anyone who disagrees with you just isn't smart enough to "see" the brilliance of your posts.
Reader, "Behold" is a theological quack. You would do very well NOT to read his posts."""
I normally skip over as well. But occasionally I speak up because my concern is over what such posting tends to generate.
It's been since like 2017 back at CF.com when I truly went after someone in a way that could be rightly called "attacking" them. This is just simple correction, gismys, nothing more. As for my address to the reader, if Behold can take it upon himself to address them on a continual basis, so can others. You may feel no need to warn them that they are getting bad "exegesis" (if you can call it that) when they read Behold's posts, but I do.
Yourm are not _ only _ teaching that.Im simply teaching that God's Righteousness is : Christ.
Yes, and then we are to love.See, "Salvation" is "The Gift of Righteousness", and to be a real believer is to be "made righteous" by the BLOOD of JESUS and the DEATH of CHRIST, proven to be true by the RESURRECTION of the 2nd Adam
True. But once you are saved, then you have all these things the Bible is instructing you to do and how to live. Otherwise, we would have a short Bible and life - just get saved and die would be our purpose. Spreading the gospel with love is work that God calls us to participate in.Notice Salvation its not.....start with the Cross....... and you do the rest.
Its not, "Jesus started my salvation, and now i finish it".
Did you notice this yet, reader....seeker, sincere searcher?
"FOR BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THIS NOT OF YOURSELVES; IT IS A GIFT OF GOD, NOT A RESULT OF WORKS, SO THAT NO ONE MAY BOAST."So, to teach a works based redemption..... proves that the person is "fallen from Grace" and their faith is broken.
Its also an insult to the Grace of God, and its a defiance against the Cross of Christ, to insert into the Blood Atonement, mary, water, works, law, and commandments.
Yes, I read the book, "How To Be A Christian Without Being Religious" a long time ago. I get the concept, just don't entirely agree. It's not all black and white.Satan, is the author of all religion.
Religion, is man's attempt to reach God or to become like God, that is a device of Satan.
See that?
Salvation is a gift. But again, after you are saved ... fruit should be growing.So, when a person is caught up in "here is what i have to do", vs....."here is what Christ did for me, so that God will accept me, as there is no other Salvation offered by God""'...... then this person who is pretending to understand the Cross of Christ, is actually offending the Holy Spirit, by denying God's Grace is a = "free gift".
"the GIFT of Salvation".. The GIFT of Righteousness".
I think you are being over critical of Christianity. And since God is sovereign and THE Judge of all, you should just be concerned about your fruit - are you bearing fruit???Now notice, reader.... The way Satan preaches it, is...."sure, Jesus saves, but then here is what you have to DO so that God will accept you".
See that?
Are you referring to 1 John 2?That is CHRIST REJECTiON by Christ Negation, pretending to be a believer, who is in fact, led of the devil, and deceived, and "fallen from Grace".
Paul said these people are "bewitched".
Paul said of these, """"they went from us, =because they are not of us."""
Why don't you stop judging who you think is or is not born again - YOU DON'T KNOW!If you are not a born again SPIRITUAL "new Creation", and you are only water baptized......then you are still this.......John 3:36
Jesus is the only way but you seem to be bashing those who actually believe in Jesus. STOP!Reader....This is the ONLY Way to Heaven. John 14:6
All other liars, fakir, fools, fake bibles and false greek texts, and similar, need not apply.
We all need to re-examine our righteousness, if it is in us from Christ and not from ourselves. The spirit of truth within us, the same as Christ in us, is there to work, to grow us, to set the course of our lives and rid us of all the extra baggage and trimmings of religion and its devices that only weight us down and stunt our spiritual growth, or worse yet, to keep us away from the genuine righteousness of Christ in the first place. I want to keep growing in Christ's spirit, as he, and be him in spirit, to not settle for the ways and opinions of the world, even if they 'sound' - 'good', civil, 'trendy,' spiritual or highly pious and religious.No.
Im simply teaching that God's Righteousness is : Christ.
The end.
So, If you have Him in you, then you have God's righteousness.
See, "Salvation" is "The Gift of Righteousness", and to be a real believer is to be "made righteous" by the BLOOD of JESUS and the DEATH of CHRIST, proven to be true by the RESURRECTION of the 2nd Adam.
Notice Salvation its not.....start with the Cross....... and you do the rest.
Its not, "Jesus started my salvation, and now i finish it".
Did you notice this yet, reader....seeker, sincere searcher?
See that?
So, to teach a works based redemption..... proves that the person is "fallen from Grace" and their faith is broken.
Its also an insult to the Grace of God, and its a defiance against the Cross of Christ, to insert into the Blood Atonement, mary, water, works, law, and commandments.
Let me show you what i mean, reader.
Satan, is the author of all religion.
Religion, is man's attempt to reach God or to become like God, that is a device of Satan.
See that?
So, when a person is caught up in "here is what i have to do", vs....."here is what Christ did for me, so that God will accept me, as there is no other Salvation offered by God""'...... then this person who is pretending to understand the Cross of Christ, is actually offending the Holy Spirit, by denying God's Grace is a = "free gift".
"the GIFT of Salvation".. The GIFT of Righteousness".
Now notice, reader.... The way Satan preaches it, is...."sure, Jesus saves, but then here is what you have to DO so that God will accept you".
See that?
That is CHRIST REJECTiON by Christ Negation, pretending to be a believer, who is in fact, led of the devil, and deceived, and "fallen from Grace".
Paul said these people are "bewitched".
Paul said of these, """"they went from us, =because they are not of us.""""
Reader....
God is very Specific, regarding the only reason He will take us into His family and keep you.
Its this...
Jesus (who is God) explains it as..."you must be born again".
Notice, that is not something you can do for yourself, so, out go works, water, lifestyle and commmandments... because only God can cause your spirit to have the new birth and become a "new creation in Christ".
Listen...
If you are not a born again SPIRITUAL "new Creation", and you are only water baptized......then you are still this.......John 3:36
See.....All other ideas, theologies, churches, doctrines, commentaries, and pretend bibles and pretend believers, that do not reveal that God's Grace is God on the Cross as Christ, are not of God. So, no other self righteous religious situation need apply to get you born again, redeemed, and give you eternal life.
Its like this reader.....all other theories, doctrines, churches, commentaries, bibles, and people.....are not of God, who teach you that the "gospel of works and water" is the way to heaven.
They are of the unholy one, at least in their FAITH and Theology, .... proven so by their Christ rejecting self righteous preaching and teaching of "another gospel" which is the "gospel of works, law, commandments, and water".
Reader....This is the ONLY Way to Heaven. John 14:6
All other liars, fakir, fools, fake bibles and false greek texts, and similar, need not apply.
Reader.....God's Gift of Salvation, is not one part Cross and one part works.....to get into heaven,.... tho the DEVIL will preach this false Gospel on every forum, using his own.
And he also has plenty of them preaching "works based, water based, law and commandment based" salvation, instead of God's Grace Based Atonement, in his churches lying directly from his pulpits.
Believe it.