Spiritual Israelite
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You are the one taking things out of context, not me. And it's because you interpret things with your emotions instead of what the text actually says.Then look what comes after verse 11, meaning this---12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Obviously paralleling when the beast worshipers are having no rest day and night. Instead of interpreting things in context, you want to import verse 11 into Revelation 20:11-15 in order to get John to say something he never said in Revelation 20:11-15, that any of these shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever..
There it is. And this proves what I've been saying. Your beliefs about this are based on what you personally wish would be the case, regardless of what scripture teaches is actually the case. God's thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8). Are you somehow not aware of that? Our understanding of the big picture and of fairness and so on is very limited compared to God. In our very limited view of things, it might not seem fair for people to suffer eternal torment for things done during a temporary lifetime. But, to be consistent with that, we'd have to conclude that being given eternal life because of putting our faith in Christ during this temporary lifetime is also not fair. So, when you appear before Jesus to give an account of yourself are you going to decline the eternal life He wants to give you for being His child because you think it's not fair for Him to give that to you? I'm sure you won't. So, you need to try to look at this from God's perspective, not from your own limited perspective.If you have any friends and or family members that get cast into the LOF, what do you hope their fate is?
From my limited perspective, all I have experienced and seen is people being given temporal punishments for temporal crimes. But, I'm not God. So, what I hope for my family and friends and for everyone is that their fate is whatever God determines it to be, whether I can comprehend it or not. Because I know that God is just and always does the right thing. I'm content with that whether I can fully comprehend everything He does or not because I know that my thoughts and my ways are not His thoughts and His ways when it comes to things like this.
I'm honest about everything, so I don't appreciate you falsely accusing me of being dishonest about anything we talk about, including this. What I think about this means nothing. Don't you want God to do whatever He feels right regardless of whether you fully understand why He does it or not? If not, you need to adjust your way of thinking because you don't know best and I don't know best. But, we can trust that God does and be content with whatever God chooses to do. I am content with that. I'm not so sure that you are, which is troubling.Not what you think their fate is, but what you would hope it to be. The same as Revelation 20:10 or annihilation eventually? Can you at least be honest about that?