new version of OSAS?

[Ferris Bueller]

Hey! You left me out! What’s up with that?

Uh, you don't want me to answer that, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Nope, not with those He created in Christ Jesus.

In the Hebrews 6:4-6 passage under consideration, there is nothing about hardening yourself nor is there anything about God not allowing coming back.

Tong
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Your #1 problem is you do not consider the whole of scripture when reading the Bible.

Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts Hebrews 3:15

They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11

They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts Ephesians 4:18
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You have to stop considering reformed theology when you read the Bible and start considering the Bible itself when reading the Bible. Filter the Bible through the Bible itself. Don't filter the Bible through your theology.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why is it so difficult for people like you two to understand Mark 3:28-31 and Matthew 12:31-32? These passages came from the lips of God and I'm just echoing its' contents.

People don't understand those passages because they don't know the whole counsel of scripture.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

many who are nosas think they are saved, because they to said a sinners prayer or asked God into their heart, but they to, never truly repented nor have true saving faith, they began in the spirit but spend the rest of their lives perfecting it in the flesh

What about us anti-Osas believers who aren't what you describe?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He who began a good WILL complete it

these people seem to not be able to comprehend that passage

...as long as you keep believing. Even you can't argue with that, for even the original Osas said that.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s ok,he created nosas long before Jesus was born, it can be found in ever major religion on earth, in Islam, judaism, paganism, Hinduism etc etc. all religions based on works and how good a person is

Why do you think all anti-Osas beliefs are works salvation beliefs? You show you don't know much about anti-Osas.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

that whoever believes in him will NEVER DIE but HAS ETERNAL LIFE

Yes, "whoever believes in him". Not 'whoever used to believe in him' as the new Osas teaches.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What do you think you do? You sin by accident? Get real dude. No one sins on accident, we do not commit oopsies. Oops I am sorry God I did not mean that, we did what we wanted, own up to it, and God to God with it. And confess, stop excusing your sin

No, that's not it, lol. There's sinning because you got wore down by weakness, or ignorance, or fear, and then there is sinning on purpose in full knowledge of what you're doing because you just don't care.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

People who reject the grace of Christ are non believers

yes they will go to hell

You have a very stunted view of anti-Osas. Sometimes anti-Osas just means you believe a person can stop believing and has nothing to do with rejecting God's grace in favor of performing works to earn salvation. You need to expand your understanding of the anti-Osas argument.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

A completely False rendering of that verse....Perhaps I will comment when you quote it correctly...I have never seen you do this before.....we agree and disagree on the meanings Of some verses but at least you quoted the verses correctly .....what happened this time ?

Completely false? What is it about "expressing itself through love" that you do not recognize as being obedient to God?

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Apparently not “ clear” enough for the Religionists and Legalist sand the Tares in this crowd....The ONLY thing you have to offer God as far as Salvation is your Sins......” Nothing of myself I bring— only to the Cross I Cling” .....

Are you just pretending to not know what Luther meant when he said....

“We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.”

Quote by Martin Luther: “We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that...”

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Transform a man's life into what? Nothing? You teach a transformation that doesn't tranSform


If we Trust God and give credit to our Salvation to Nothing But The Blood, lived out by Resting in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Found In 1Cor15:1-4, God will put His Spirit in us and HE will Transform us into the Image Of His Son.... Christianity 101.....

And yet you claim that if that doesn't happen that also is a person truly trusting God in salvation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You keep talking about "license to sin" which is NOT even scriptural. Don't you have other terms you can use?

For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4
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The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm just bummed out because my father-in-law wrecked his family and made shipwreck of his faith a few days ago.

Just curious, what happened?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture does not say he who began a good may complete it. If you keep on believing. It says will Complete it period

people can get out of their own way they want to put conditions on God God did not put in himself

then claim they are not trying to work to earn salvation

it’s a joke

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Completely false? What is it about "expressing itself through love" that you do not recognize as being obedient to God?

The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6​

You did not quote it that way.....go back and look...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Scripture does not say he who began a good may complete it. If you keep on believing. It says will Complete it period

people can get out of their own way they want to put conditions on God God did not put in himself

then claim they are not trying to work to earn salvation

it’s a joke

Believing in God is not you working to earn your own salvation.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You did not quote it that way.....go back and look...

I made no quote of it at all in that post. I made reference to it.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Are you just pretending to not know what Luther meant when he said....

“We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.”

Quote by Martin Luther: “We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that...”

I agree with him.....it SHOULD happen......given time, it WILL happen.....I just maintain it does not HAVE to happen.....BELIEVING that Jesus was who He said He was - Gods Son and Your Savior, you instantly pass from death to life.....You are a Saved Member Of The Body Of Christ— untouchable as far as Salvation goes.....

The very reason that God created man was so that he could love and DO GOOD WORKS , and carry the burdens of others....these are the Faith works that count....anything that furthers God’s Kingdom here on Earth bereft Of Personal, selfish gain is a Righteous work....it’s God working THROUGH you that counts and gets you Heavenly Rewards....Truly “ good” Faith works Follow after Salvation....It’s a Natural result of having God’s Holy Spirit in you ....it may happen soon...it may happen later....it could NEVER happen —- check out the “ Good works” of the Thief on the Cross.....His Belief in Jesus Saved Him..... nothing else.......the “ good works” Would have followed if he could have got down from that Cross......” Would” have But didn’t.....that shows it does not Have to happen.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I made no quote of it at all in that post. I made reference to it.

Then in that case you misrepresented it .....