No I am not.And now you are saying that God is a respecter of persons.
I'm saying what the Bible says.
Much love!
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No I am not.And now you are saying that God is a respecter of persons.
No. I don't believe that.I don’t know. But will you say that if he wasn’t born again, Abraham will be in hell?
It's not even on the same level. If you believe there is a rock about to drop on you, you'll move, sure, in most cases, anyway!Of course there is assurance WHEN you truly believe. When you truly believe you enter into a relationship with God
I am talking about those people like in the parable of the sower and the seed, you accept the word, but never give it place in their heart to grow, and it dies...they never did believe
Belief= Faith + action
If you believed a giant rock was going to land right where you stood....you would move. If you believed in God, then your life would change
Once Saved Always Saved......but that salvation has to be genuine
Do you not believe that God gave a very few in the OT a connection with Him through the Holy Spirit to accomplish for themselves and for those around them what He has provided to whosoever will today?I think that when we try to define the New Covenant as if were the same as the first covenant, that we can reach erroneous conclusions.
In the Bible, was this man born again? I don't see that in the Bible until Jesus died and rose again, as in joining to that death and resurrection is what provides for our rebirth.
Much love!
hmm...I would call it more like, if you won’t believe me about earthly things how can I tell you about heavenly things?Or, If you won’t stand firm, I can’t make you stand firm.
And that's where the entire debate swings.
Do we persevere because we are saved? Or do we persevere to remain saved?
Is it about what Jesus did? OR about what I do?
I know clearly my answer.
Much love!
Another OSAS judge. Anyone who doesn't swallow the OSAS hoax was NEVER saved. lol
Another OSAS judge. Anyone who doesn't swallow the OSAS hoax was NEVER saved. lol
Yay! I can NEVER be unsaved! You said so!
Charles Templeton was an arena evangelist, friends with Billy Graham. They pretty much began together, each in their own venues. Mr. Templeton was an excellent orator, and at his preaching, apparently 1000's came to know Christ.Absolute bunk. I have personally known people who clearly loved Jesus so much that they couldn't talk about anything else, turn from their faith and deny Him completely. Psychology is a real thing. People do what they want to do.
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Once saved always saved is correct. But not everyone who claims to be saved has made the life change required by that belief
Where did Riverwalker judge anyone? They simply said not everyone has made the required life change. Do you not think that is true?
Much love!
Did you forget that Blood Bought 1953 said even unbelievers go to Heaven?
Of course this is for the Lord to say. I try to not let my opinions of others influence the doctrines I understand from the Bible. As I am able to set aside my own opinions, and receive the renewing of my mind through the ingrafted Word, I find my opinions change, or simply don't matter.but some people it seems to me have found comfortable chair or pew or position where they want to stay with no further need to grow in order to reach the top... Similar to climbing up a talus slope!
A better promise is just that but it is not without a greater cost, a greater cost because you have more available to give. The cost is in what God expects from you out what He has given you. He gave you everything. Are you willing to give Him everything in return? Do you love Him so much that you would be willing lay down your body and allow them to do to you what they did to Jesus? Do not say yes! Just think about it!He who touches Israel touches the apple of God's eye, this refers to God's pupil. Touching Israel is like poking God in the eye, is what this verse is telling us.
What does it mean to those under the first covenant that the new covenant is based upon "better promises"? Does God making a "better promise" to someone, does that make Him a "respector of persons"?
Much love!
Known by others, of course! God already knows those who are His.By our works we are known.
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I agree with you here. Salvation is primarily about getting us safely out of this corruped creation, into a new creation in which righteousness lives.I don't believe salvation is primarily about assurance, anyway.
Two things . . . trust Jesus, and love others.He only asks for the obedience of trust, so we work on practicing trust whenever He gives us to see something we are not trusting that He has promised.
The covenants are not the same, but God is the same and He is fair. What they under the old covenant had to do is not the same as what we under the new covenant have to do. Only God is capable of judging how well we have handled or are handling what we have been given considering all of our circumstances.I think that when we try to define the New Covenant as if were the same as the first covenant, that we can reach erroneous conclusions.
In the Bible, was this man born again? I don't see that in the Bible until Jesus died and rose again, as in joining to that death and resurrection is what provides for our rebirth.
Much love!
And do also say that you always understand exactly what God's written message means? I certainly do not!No I am not.
I'm saying what the Bible says.
Much love!
That's not how it works when a person stops believing. What happens is they don't want to see the sun anymore and so they close their eyes or hide themselves in a room away from the light.Might we likewise quit believing there is a sun in the sky?
The people I know, and myself, I think there is more the question in their minds over their own weakness. I know I'm not able to be consistent, so if that's the requirement, I can feel lost before I leave the starting line. God's assurance of what He is doing, that this is HIM working, that my faith is His power in me, this is my faith to daily stand. No matter how badly I may perform, thank God! that's not the determinate factor. Jesus' performance was perfect, and God has ascribe that to me. Jesus' righteousness, not my own, saves me.We want assurance that He will be merciful even if we don’t return to Him more than the talent He gave us, even if our trust stays small.