new version of OSAS?

[Tong2020]

Just remember it is GOD'S grace, and OUR salvation. You seem to think you have the Grace of God, if so, can I have some please?
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Why, don’t you have Jesus Christ yet?

Tong
R3595

 

[Cooper]

Since you agree with that, may I ask, what do you say of those who call themselves Christians who believe that can lose salvation at will and after can be saved again at will?

If I were to have those questions to you, do you believe that you can lose salvation at will? And if you place yourself as have done that, do you also believe that you can be renewed to repentance and at will can gain salvation back?

Tong
R3593

There are those who drift away and then return like the prodigal son and are welcomed back, and there are others who actively turn against God in opposition to Him.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Just remember it is GOD'S grace, and OUR salvation. You seem to think you have the Grace of God, if so, can I have some please?
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Why Certainly! Get it the same way that I got it —- ASK for it! “ All That ASK for Mercy shall RECEIVE it” ..... the Secret is to see your “NEED” for that Mercy .....Only those with a “ Contrite” Heart see this “ need”.....It is a Work Of The Holy Spirit to give you that “ Contrite” heart ....
That is how God can say, “ Nobody comes to God unless the Spirit draw him”

The initiative to Save is in God’s Hands—- Not ours! Pray that He send the Holy Spirit your way to convict you of Sin and give you the “ Contrite Heart” That starts the ball rolling.....

Need help in this? Just look at the example of the Publican in Luke 18..... Sincerely pray, “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner “ ......yep.....that will get the job done...it worked for the wicked Publican....it worked for Sinful “ BB” .....I firmly believe that it will work for you...

 

[Cooper]

Of course not....but if God gave me a Promise that said that I would keep them forever and I believed that Promise—— guess what would have happened? If you respond, “ Why BB , you would certainly still HAVE them— God can’t break a Promise!” ......if that was your response—— go to the head of the class....what a Silly analogy....what else have you got? Nothing more fun than “shooting fish in a barrel”.....

God promised HE would never leave us or forsake us, but Adam and Eve were disobedient and were thrust out of the Garden. God is true, but not so for human nature. It is down to US, to follow Him all the days of our life.
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[Cooper]

Why Certainly! Get it the same way that I got it —- ASK for it! “ All That ASK for Mercy shall RECEIVE it” ..... the Secret is to see your “NEED” for that Mercy .....Only those with a “ Contrite” Heart see this “ need”.....It is a Work Of The Holy Spirit to give you that “ Contrite” heart ....
That is how God can say, “ Nobody comes to God unless the Spirit draw him”

The initiative to Save is in God’s Hands—- Not ours! Pray that He send the Holy Spirit your way to convict you of Sin and give you the “ Contrite Heart” That starts the ball rolling.....

Need help in this? Just look at the example of the Publican in Luke 18..... Sincerely pray, “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner “ ......yep.....that will get the job done...it worked for the wicked Publican....it worked for Sinful “ BB” .....I firmly believe that it will work for you...

You misunderstand me.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Yes. But I have say, grace is totally different from fairness.

Tong
R3594

If God were “fair” ( Giving us what we deserve) ....you and I and the rest of this world would be in Hell at this very moment...God gave to His Son what “ we “ deserve and in turn we get what HIS SOM deserved ...what a deal.....what a God.....what a Savior....


I thank God every day for His Love , His Mercy, and His Amazing Grace....How about you?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

God promised HE would never leave us or forsake us, but Adam and Eve were disobedient and were thrust out of the Garden. God is true, but not so for human nature. It is down to US, to follow Him all the days of our life.
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You wanna “Follow Jesus” ......we all do....
So let’s do what He ordered us to do, this side of the Cross—— “Follow Paul” ...He was the “ official mouth- piece of Jesus “ after the Ascension....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You misunderstand me.
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If that is the case, you have my apologies—- care to elaborate?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Since you agree with that, may I ask, what do you say of those who call themselves Christians who believe that can lose salvation at will and after can be saved again at will?

If I were to have those questions to you, do you believe that you can lose salvation at will? And if you place yourself as have done that, do you also believe that you can be renewed to repentance and at will can gain salvation back?

There are those who drift away and then return like the prodigal son and are welcomed back, and there are others who actively turn against God in opposition to Him.
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I don’t think the prodigal son applies to that.

Tong
R3596

 

[BloodBought 1953]

God promised HE would never leave us or forsake us, but Adam and Eve were disobedient and were thrust out of the Garden. God is true, but not so for human nature. It is down to US, to follow Him all the days of our life.
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When God said “ NEVER” He meant NEVER..... Adam and Eve did not trust God ....that was their Sin....even though “ they” were Unfaithful, God Remained Faithful.... He gave them a Way Back....He covered their sins by the Shed Blood Of an Innocent one...( sound familiar ? ) ....God slaughtered an animal , probably a sheep , and it Restored and Saved this sinful couple due to the fact that the Shed Blood Of the animal pointed to the Shed Blood Of Christ.....

 

[Tong2020]

If God were “fair” ( Giving us what we deserve) ....you and I and the rest of this world would be in Hell at this very moment...God gave to His Son what “ we “ deserve and in turn we get what HIS SOM deserved ...what a deal.....what a God.....what a Savior....


I thank God every day for His Love , His Mercy, and His Amazing Grace....How about you?

I believe God is fair. Only that with regards salvation of God of His children, He does it by grace through faith, not by works.

Tong
R3597

 

[Cooper]

If that is the case, you have my apologies—- care to elaborate?

I cannot succeed where others have tried and failed. Please remember it takes two, and while God is unfailing, we are not. I gave the example of Adam and Eve who were thrust out from the heavenly presence of a righteous God, for their disobedience. Where had God's grace gone? Was their place with God secure? Who was it who broke away?

I have things to do.
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[BloodBought 1953]

Not true. You will still be judged for your sins on judgment Day. Saved is a point in time. You still going to answer for what you do. You can not fool Christ. And no we are not judged his or any other Gospel. What you do is your fault, not Christ's And again all the scriptures tell you who will not inherit the Kingdom of God and in the end you will be judged by your own deeds.

Hmmmmm....I wonder what God meant when He said, “ Your Sins I will remember no more “



. And no we are not judged his or any other Gospel.

Wow,,,, the casualness that you employ to call Paul a Liar.....Romans 2:16— “ on the day that ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL, God will judge everyone’s secret life....”

Here’s another one for you to ponder—- “ STUDY to show yourself approved by God....be a Workman that need not be ASHAMED!

You have cobbled together a personal , false Doctrine that has no basis in the Bible....it’s just self- taught religious mush.....

 

[Addy]

From my devotional this morning... (Jesus Today)... Read the words as though Christ is talking directly to you.
This describes the POWER of HIS BLOOD and HIS ATONEMENT ALONE.
This is the basis of the GOSPEL of GRACE... It takes the focus off of the sinner... ( whose best works are like dirty rags ) and focuses
on the BLOOD of CHRIST. Our salvation is bought and purchased at the time of our conversion... it's a supernatural event... This is what the legalists do not understand... they do not seem to believe that CHRIST actually PURCHASES us... and HE does not do EXCHANGES... rather... HE promises to FINISH within us... what HE has begun... which is a good work... ENJOY.

YOU ARE HOLY AND BLAMELESS IN MY SIGHT. Let these words of blessing sink into your heart, mind, and spirit. You may find it hard to believe this amazing truth because you know that you fall short of My holy standard every single day. Indeed, you are not holy and blameless in yourself, and you will never be sinless in this life. Nonetheless, in My sight you are gloriously righteous. When you trusted Me as Saviour, you gave Me all your sins---past, present, and future--- and I gave you My perfect righteousness. This is an eternal exchange, securing your place in My royal family forever.

This was a most costly transaction for Me. Your redemption, the forgiveness of sins, was accomplished through MY BLOOD---poured out freely because I love you. As you spend time in My Presence---opening your heart to Me---you are able to receive more and more of this Love that surpasses knowledge!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh you are so wrong about Judaism. That is laughable! Plan on selling your daughter as a sex slave anytime soon? You better know Judaism before you talk to me about Judaism. I grew up with Jews, studied Judaism at Jewish Studies at American University in Washington DC and Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Christ set a new standard for morals well above the Mosaic Law, but He still does not expect perfection.

The law man. The law required perfection. Whoever does not confirm and obey every word is cursed. As paul said in Gal 3 no one is justified by the law because cursed is the one who does not obey all. As James said, if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty

I am not talking about perverted judaism, I am talking about what God demanded when he gave them the law,

 

[Grailhunter]

God’s words do matter to me and that a lot than what you think. One truth the Bible says is that Jesus, him who was born of the virgin Mary, is the Christ, the Lord, the SAVIOR. And that sure matters to me. The apostles believed and are witness to that. And I believed that as well.

No they were not around when

Another is that the Bible says of them, that were created by God in Christ Jesus, who are saved by grace. And that they will go to heaven, and not to hell.

That would be an interesting verse to find....

Now, you say that there will be some of those who are created by God in Christ to be going to hell.

The phrase created in Christ is a metaphor....I like it but it sorta proves one my points....
Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Christianity is a religion of good works. Love God, love one another and the Golden Rule.

Now, you say that there will be some of those who are created by God in Christ to be going to hell. But the bible does not say that, not one of those passages you quoted.

Who do you think these verses are directed to? The Romans. Do you think the New Testament is only warning non-Christians about sin and the punishment and thereof, but for Christians sin and evil is ok? If you have issues with reading comprehension that is not my department.

And since what God’s words in the Bible is what matters to me, I believe what the bible says and not what you say, at least regarding that.

I don't blame you on that one! LOL But if you take a course in reading comprehension and read the scriptures pertaining to Judgment Day you will find that they say, we all will be judged on our deeds....

 

[Grailhunter]

Any verse that one trots out that “seems” to deny the veracity of OSAS is Guilty Of at least “ One” Of two things....they are ALL either being taken out if context or they do not apply to the “Body Of Christ”....... there are NO exceptions to this....

Blah! Blah! Blah! Translation of all that...Blood Bought cherry picks the scriptures.

 

[Grailhunter]

Perhaps, but not in the biblical concept of good, wherein, only God is good.

God is good in relation to perfection. Christians are good because they prescribe to and live by the morals of Christ. They cannot live up to them, but they can live their lives by them. The difference between how good people can be and perfection is covered by Grace.

More than be moral even. God wanted us to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. In fact, those He created in Christ Jesus, He had predestined in that regard.

Just how much to invest in the idea that we all will look like Christ....c

My statement I think was clear. He was telling us about the fallen natural man.

The Jews and the Romans were a good example of the "fallen natural man"....the natural character of man that God created....in His image....had free-will, But without the moral aspect of Christ they prone to all sorts of evils.

 

[Cooper]

From my devotional this morning... (Jesus Today)... Read the words as though Christ is talking directly to you.
This describes the POWER of HIS BLOOD and HIS ATONEMENT ALONE.
This is the basis of the GOSPEL of GRACE... It takes the focus off of the sinner... ( whose best works are like dirty rags ) and focuses
on the BLOOD of CHRIST. Our salvation is bought and purchased at the time of our conversion... it's a supernatural event... This is what the legalists do not understand... they do not seem to believe that CHRIST actually PURCHASES us... and HE does not do EXCHANGES... rather... HE promises to FINISH within us... what HE has begun... which is a good work... ENJOY.

YOU ARE HOLY AND BLAMELESS IN MY SIGHT. Let these words of blessing sink into your heart, mind, and spirit. You may find it hard to believe this amazing truth because you know that you fall short of My holy standard every single day. Indeed, you are not holy and blameless in yourself, and you will never be sinless in this life. Nonetheless, in My sight you are gloriously righteous. When you trusted Me as Saviour, you gave Me all your sins---past, present, and future--- and I gave you My perfect righteousness. This is an eternal exchange, securing your place in My royal family forever.

This was a most costly transaction for Me. Your redemption, the forgiveness of sins, was accomplished through MY BLOOD---poured out freely because I love you. As you spend time in My Presence---opening your heart to Me---you are able to receive more and more of this Love that surpasses knowledge!

Until and if the dog returns to its vomit. (2 Peter 2:22)
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[Grailhunter]

Hmmmmm....I wonder what God meant when He said, “ Your Sins I will remember no more “

Wonderful concept and it occurs at the point of being saved....of course it would fit into your beliefs about sin and sin some more because than Christ would not remember anything you did....again back to homosexual child molesting cannibals being in heaven. When you put what you believe in motion it is more like a sci-fi horror flick. A scary story you would tell around a campfire. Be afraid, be very afraid, because when you die, you will go to where all evil goes and there will be rappers and murders waiting for you and you spend eternity with the horror of evils. No...heaven is not filled with evil, that is what hell is for.

Wow,,,, the casualness that you employ to call Paul a Liar.....Romans 2:16— “ on the day that ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL, God will judge everyone’s secret life....”

Here’s another one for you to ponder—- “ STUDY to show yourself approved by God....be a Workman that need not be ASHAMED!

You have cobbled together a personal , false Doctrine that has no basis in the Bible....it’s just self- taught religious mush.....

No my beliefs come from the Bible and your does too....it just that you have selected parts you like. A cherry picker extraordinaire!

Christians that want to go to heaven should be good because we will be judged on our deeds. And that is what the Bible says about how it ends up on Judgment Day.
Christians that want to go to heaven should be good because bad does not go to heaven.