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Of course, if you find some of these things difficult to do.....don't sweat it! Just “ Act” like you do them ....that will please God—— Nothing He likes better than seeing people “Ape” all of the behaviors that come NATURALLY to those that TRUST to be Saved as opposed to those that TRY to be Saved.......

Nonsense?
he Religious Man ( most likely lost ) has noticed this verse and puts it on “ his” list of things he must do and he does his best to “ try” to fulfill that verse...People like those “ monks “ that get up at 3 a.m. and pretend to pray for five hours straight.....thinking they are impressing God with their “ sacrifice” and “ holiness”.....Hog Wash!” You think their minds don’t wander all over the place and that could get an actual “ meaningful” prayer off in Five minutes —- or less! It’s all for show, in a stupid, confused attempt to “ look good” .....staying on their knees , and secretly looking up to see how much God is pleased with their “ piety”......what a joke!

An Unreligious man, like myself , simply Rests in the Gospel Of Grace.....because of that, God put His Spirit in me and without ANY Discipline on my part , once I became a “ New Creation” , I “ Found Myself” praying all of the time that I am Conscience —— from the time I get up until the time I go to bed.Never anything fancy.....never anything that sounds “ pious”.....if my big toe causes me pain , my prayer could be —- “ Hey God — it’s the toe!”

For the “ dim- bulbs” out there who already have a knot in their panties....let it be known that that was a bit of an exaggeration—-done to make a point.Here is the point : throughout my entire day, I seem to always have a running conversation with God....it’s like “ help me here”.... or “ be with me here” or “ thank you for this” or “please open the heart of this Lost Man or Woman” or “ let me add this person to my ‘prayer list’ , so that you will bless them with the help that they need at this time”

THIS is what is meant by “ praying without ceasing” .....it is something done all of the time.... it is something done sincerely....it is done expecting results ( “ you don’t receive anything because you don’t ASK for it” says James) and it is NEVER done for show — trying to “ Impress” God because you are doing it....Praying in this manner— the CORRECT manner—- is a GIFT, a Fruit Of The Spirit....I never knew anything about it and I never asked for it....it just kinda came along with the rest of my “ Salvation Package” .....That “ package” arrived when I abandoned “ religion” , so aptly illustrated by the time- wasting religious Monks and all Of their religious ILK ( phony religion takes so many forms) , and instead of that Worthless “ trying” , I learned how to become UNreligious and start” trusting” ......

After all that you are still so wrong. It is not all about you. The overall biblical message is so simple, that is why I can sum it up.
What you preach can send so many to hell. It is a crime against humanity.
What you preach does not even make basic sense.

If you have your little list of “do do this and don’t do that” in order to Get or Stay Saved , take my advice....rip it to shreds—— there are no “ check-lists” in Christianity . Those are for the the phony Religionists......simply “ Aping” the things that God will put in your Heart naturally.....IF and ONLY if you will Trust Him.....Are you “Trying” to be Saved or “ Trusting” to be Saved...you had best figure out the difference— that “ difference” is Religion vs.Christianity....that “ difference” is Heaven vs. Hell .....Serious stuff......God bless...

You are not the first to come up with your own religion separate from the Bible.
I imagine when you are reading through the Bible you think it is nonsense.
That is why you think my list is nonsense....but that list comes from the Bible.
 

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What Covenant Do you think you are under?
We are under the New Covenant and the New Covenant only.
But his question was not about covenants it was .... What is the reason man need a savior?
Well the answer is different depending from what Covenant perspective you are taking into account.
 

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We are under the New Covenant and the New Covenant only.
But his question was not about covenants it was .... What is the reason man need a savior?
Well the answer is different depending from what Covenant perspective you are taking into account.

The answer is the same regardless, it's a basic question, why does man need a Saviour?
 

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God is the Savior. Man is the one being saved. He is not the savior of himself.
Is this merely stating the obvious.
If it were obvious, why do some not get it or know it? They still have the thinking that they could either do something to get saved or do something to keep themselves saved.

Tong2020 said:
What is the reason man need a savior?
From the Old Testament point of view?
Or the New Testament point of view?
Whatever view you like. If you will, from the stand point of God.

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The answer is the same regardless, it's a basic question, why does man need a Saviour?

People know so little about Christianity that they do not understand even the questions that they ask.
The question why does man need a Saviour? So if I wanted to be coy I could answer simply, because man is lost without a savior.
But because he said God is the Saviour, then I do not know what exactly he is getting at.

Christ---Yeshua is our Saviour in the New Testament. But that is a perspective. Not the perspective of the Old Testament.

In the Old Testament, Yahweh defined Himself as Saviour and Redeemer. For Christians looking back at the Old Testament and Jews that were living in the Old Testament that means two different things.

Keep this in mind. In the Old Testament, God never offered heaven as a reward and never threatened hell as a punishment.
In fact Judaism then and now do not believe in hell and they do not have a devil in their religion.

The Jews of the Old Testament were looking for a human warlord messiah that would conquer their oppressors and but them in power over "the world" and make everyone follow the 613 Mosaic Laws. This is one of reasons they rejected Christ in the New Testament ...they were looking for a warlord...not the Lord. In fact for a person to be walking around saying they were a God and or the Son of God would be sacrilegious to them.

But then all this changes in the New Testament....Satan and hell is a threat to everyone and a human messiah would not due.
So our primary needs for a Saviour is to save us from hell...establish a relationship with the Trinity...and provide a path to heaven.
 
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If it were obvious, why do some not get it or know it? They still have the thinking that they could either do something to get saved or do something to keep themselves saved.

Well do nothing and see what it get'cha
If a non believer does nothing....do you think they will be saved or go to heaven?
 

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The answer is the same regardless, it's a basic question, why does man need a Saviour?
Why does a drowning man need a savior. Because in his state he is as good as dead, and without one he will die
Why does a man in a burning building need a savior. because in his state he is as good as dead, and without one he will die
Why does a man in a car accident with critical injuries need a savior. Because in his state he is as good as dead, and without one he will die

In all three cases. The person was unable to save him or herself and required salvation.

Why do Humans need a savior? Because the penalty of sin is death. in his current state he is dead, Without one. He will die (the second death)
 

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People know so little about Christianity that they do not understand even the questions that they ask.
The question why does man need a Saviour? So if I wanted to be coy I could answer simply, because man is lost without a savior.
But because he said God is the Saviour, then I do not know what exactly he is getting at.
Firstly, my question is about man’s salvation from the situation Adam had brought them into and from where they are headed, that is, in the lake of fire a.k.a. Hell, the second death.

I hope you can now answer the question:

Why does man need a savior?

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Firstly, my question is about man’s salvation from the situation Adam had brought them into and from where they are headed, that is, in the lake of fire a.k.a. Hell, the second death.

As I explained...from the Old Testament perspective hell and the lake of fire was not relevant. At that point they were not a threat. The phrase Judgment Day does not appear in the Old Testament.
In the Old Testament Sheol is the only destination that is discussed and it was a permanent destination. Again God did not promise heaven in the Old Testament. Everything in the Old Testament is about preventing punishment in the physical....that is the wrath of God....
 

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Well do nothing and see what it get'cha
If a non believer does nothing....do you think they will be saved or go to heaven?
He who believes is not condemned (saved)
He who does not believe is condemned already (needs saved)

Its not about works or doing nothing. It is about the gift God to give us. Do we accept his gift in faith. or reject it in unbelief.
 
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He who believes is not condemned (saved)
LOL The decision to believe is a "do" LOL
Its not about works or doing nothing. It is about the gift God to give us. Do we accept his gift in faith. or reject it in unbelief.

If God did nothing, we would be in trouble...
If we do nothing, we are in trouble...
If we do nothing, after we are saved...see the parable of the talents.
Everything is about everybody...God and Man..."doing"
 

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As I explained...from the Old Testament perspective hell and the lake of fire was not relevant. At that point they were not a threat. The phrase Judgment Day does not appear in the Old Testament.
In the Old Testament Sheol is the only destination that is discussed and it was a permanent destination. Again God did not promise heaven in the Old Testament. Everything in the Old Testament is about preventing punishment in the physical....that is the wrath of God....
Not sure where you get that hell was not a threat. Eternal death has always been a threat.
 

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LOL The decision to believe is a "do" LOL


If God did nothing, we would be in trouble...
If we do nothing, we are in trouble...
If we do nothing, after we are saved...see the parable of the talents.
Everything is about everybody...God and Man..."doing"
this is works salvation.

Your basing your eternity on what YOU DO.

This is a losing proposition. Because if YOU could save yourself. Christ died in vein
 

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If it were obvious, why do some not get it or know it? They still have the thinking that they could either do something to get saved or do something to keep themselves saved.
Well do nothing and see what it get'cha
If a non believer does nothing....do you think they will be saved or go to heaven?
Before? I did nothing in that regard. And all of a sudden there came a point in my life that I was converted. It was a sudden unexpected moment like that of Paul’s. Now do’t get excited. I am talking of a “moment” of conversion, not the things such as happened to Paul in the road to Damascus. I received the gift of faith and so had faith, something I did not have before. Obviously there was nothing I did that could be the cause and reason why I had faith. The reason why I have faith is the work of God.

So you say “Well do nothing and see what it get'cha”. Well there is the answer, and that’s where it got me, by doing nothing. Behold, now I am saved. All I have now is to live my life and experience life with my Savior. And I am persuaded that He saved me because He love me, and for good reason and purpose.

How about you? How was it in your case?

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All I have now is to live my life and experience life with my Savior. And I am persuaded that He saved me because He love me, and for good reason and purpose.

Don't you think this is self-serving? Certainly not serving Christ. Certainly no love for your fellow Christians.
Now that I am saved I am going sit like a bump on a log, no use to God or anyone else....just looking out for myself....going to heaven. If that is what it is all about to you....good luck.