New world order?

[quietthinker]

You need to qualify what portion of Daniel 7, you are referring to.

The first four beasts are described in verses 1 - 12 and the dominate characteristics of these four are also described in Revelation 13 and simply justr called a singular beast, which happens to match the singular beast of Daniel 7:19-26.

Other chapters which speak of the Beast, is also found in Revelation 11:7, 14:9-11, 15:2, 16:2, 16:10, 16:13, 17:3-17, 19:19-20, 20:4, 20:10.

All of the references in the Book of Revelation to the beast happen after the beast is released from the Bottomless pit after it had been imprisoned for 1,000 years. The release of the beast of revealed in Daniel 7:19-26, and Revelation is still a distant future event. The imprisonment of the Beasts and Satan is a near future event that will play out in around 25 years time and they will be released for a little while period after a further 1,000 year have passed.

The problems we have is found in man's understanding of the scriptures and not in the context that God presented His prophetic words with. Because men find it laborious to qualify the time periods and the sections of the scriptures that are referred to with respect to the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and Daniel 7:19-26 and Revelation, the message becomes confusing for people to follow to say the least.

Shalom

If you're really interested, read the whole chapter of Daniel 7 and do the comparison with Rev. 13......I'm done spoon feeding those who want to debate!

You come in with what I think is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo for what purpose? Is it to derail the ability of the readers to draw their own conclusions??

 

[quietthinker]

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. the Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,576 especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.577

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

Pax et Bonum!

Relying on the conclusions of others Phillip only sets one up to not think for oneself.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you're really interested, read the whole chapter of Daniel 7 and do the comparison with Rev. 13......I'm done spoon feeding those who want to debate!

You come in with what I think is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo for what purpose? Is it to derail the ability of the readers to draw their own conclusions??

I am so sorry that you feel that way about what I posted. As for my need to read all of Daniel 7, that accusation could also be levelled at you.

All that I have pointed out in the verses I provided above, where the verses where the four individual beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are mentioned, and where the four facetted beast is found in Daniel 7:19-26 and in the Book of Revelations.

From my looking at the Strong meanings of H7244 which is equivalent to H:7243 which is based on H:7251, I have come to understand that the translation of Daniel 7:19 is contextually better if the translated paraphrased of this verse would read as: -

Daniel 7:19: - 19 "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth/four sided/facetted beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;​

The beast of Daniel 7:16-26 becomes visible after the 1,000 years that the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 emerge from the bottomless pit as a single working entity.

Now you say that you are "done spoon feeding those who want to debate. For me that suggests that you are fixated in what you believe and do not want to have you misunderstandings highlighted.

Now if you want to correct me, then please use scripture that highlights my error in understanding and I will listen to your POV.

My post was to show the other readers on this forum that there was a very different way of looking at the "facts" concerning the "beast."

If you disagree with the facts as I presented them, bring forward your apology to support your claim so that we can all learn from each other.

Shalom

 

[quietthinker]

I am so sorry that you feel that way about what I posted. As for my need to read all of Daniel 7, that accusation could also be levelled at you.

All that I have pointed out in the verses I provided above, where the verses where the four individual beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are mentioned, and where the four facetted beast is found in Daniel 7:19-26 and in the Book of Revelations.

From my looking at the Strong meanings of H7244 which is equivalent to H:7243 which is based on H:7251, I have come to understand that the translation of Daniel 7:19 is contextually better if the translated paraphrased of this verse would read as: -

Daniel 7:19: - 19 "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth/four sided/facetted beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;​

The beast of Daniel 7:16-26 becomes visible after the 1,000 years that the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 emerge from the bottomless pit as a single working entity.

Now you say that you are "done spoon feeding those who want to debate. For me that suggests that you are fixated in what you believe and do not want to have you misunderstandings highlighted.

Now if you want to correct me, then please use scripture that highlights my error in understanding and I will listen to your POV.

My post was to show the other readers on this forum that there was a very different way of looking at the "facts" concerning the "beast."

If you disagree with the facts as I presented them, bring forward your apology to support your claim so that we can all learn from each other.

Shalom

Getting it right is all that matters. It was recorded for that purpose. Each person is responsible for their own conclusion.
Ultimately it was recorded for the benefit of our generation; the last generation or close to last.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus Christ in a persons life can bring forth new life, new creation, new way to look at the world through the eyes of the spirit. ~Agape Love.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

would you make a suitable GG Reggie ?

Yes I sure would in fact make a truly worthy GG but as to suitable to the ALP or LNP I don't think that they would like me as one.
Not that I would want the position now at my age.

This GG is a stooge and the next in coming GG is a stooge, not to mention what a shocking 5yo she comes across as, the day she was informed she was to get the job was a total display of a 5yo just as silly as a wheel, what a childish display that was, not to mention she was totally Deceitful ! as did not have the courage to display it's position at all, not to mention her position is in fact Socialist and such a one should truly be banned from the position in fact, because she is a Traitor to the position of office in fact, because it's such a one taking on the position who rejects the true position of what the position of Job is all about. One can not truly take the Oath and take such truly seriously in fact.

A Socialist does not support the Monarch because Socialist have always worked against such, but she will not openly display her cards to such as the people, because she just then proved she despises the people, claiming that you the people have no right to that information, Socialist only play that card, as the Government of socialist is above the People in fact and truly not for the People, as our system was for the people to choose people to represent them ? not the Government to dominate over them like as if they were their cattle.

So she is truly not worthy for the job, as someone who hides there position is due to deceit in fact.

Did you see the display of her some days ago when she got in a spack attack and stormed off in a huff, not wanting to talk to anyone just totally pathetic ! just like one of Hitler's displays, this is done so the idiot can not be questioned. they are stooges that have been placed into positions for a reason and that reason is so that their satanic masters can manipulate and control them.

We have such stooges placed in top positions in our ADF who are queer as, not to mention evil and corrupt as they can come. now they could be called to answer but they are not, because they are stooges set in place by Satanic powers. they are acting like Nazis treating people under them shockingly. that's how the cookie is crumbling.

People like Hitler and the Communist would never of got to such power if they had a true Monarch, such as the Socialist work to undermine such things, as they are like white ants 24/7 eating away year after year. Socialist do not support Christ Jesus in fact and if they claim that they do, they are always under delusions of mans works in fact.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes I sure would in fact make a truly worthy GG but as to suitable to the ALP or LNP I don't think that they would like me as one.
Not that I would want the position now at my age.

This GG is a stooge and the next in coming GG is a stooge, not to mention what a shocking 5yo she comes across as, the day she was informed she was to get the job was a total display of a 5yo just as silly as a wheel, what a childish display that was, not to mention she was totally Deceitful ! as did not have the courage to display it's position at all, not to mention her position is in fact Socialist and such a one should truly be banned from the position in fact, because she is a Traitor to the position of office in fact, because it's such a one taking on the position who rejects the true position of what the position of Job is all about. One can not truly take the Oath and take such truly seriously in fact.

A Socialist does not support the Monarch because Socialist have always worked against such, but she will not openly display her cards to such as the people, because she just then proved she despises the people, claiming that you the people have no right to that information, Socialist only play that card, as the Government of socialist is above the People in fact and truly not for the People, as our system was for the people to choose people to represent them ? not the Government to dominate over them like as if they were their cattle.

So she is truly not worthy for the job, as someone who hides there position is due to deceit in fact.

Did you see the display of her some days ago when she got in a spack attack and stormed off in a huff, not wanting to talk to anyone just totally pathetic ! just like one of Hitler's displays, this is done so the idiot can not be questioned. they are stooges that have been placed into positions for a reason and that reason is so that their satanic masters can manipulate and control them.

We have such stooges placed in top positions in our ADF who are queer as, not to mention evil and corrupt as they can come. now they could be called to answer but they are not, because they are stooges set in place by Satanic powers. they are acting like Nazis treating people under them shockingly. that's how the cookie is crumbling.

People like Hitler and the Communist would never of got to such power if they had a true Monarch, such as the Socialist work to undermine such things, as they are like white ants 24/7 eating away year after year. Socialist do not support Christ Jesus in fact and if they claim that they do, they are always under delusions of mans works in fact.

Hmmm, so you think you'd have the skills to pull that job off ??

 

[Jay Ross]

Getting it right is all that matters. It was recorded for that purpose. Each person is responsible for their own conclusion.
Ultimately it was recorded for the benefit of our generation; the last generation or close to last.

Well it looks like you have nothing to contribute to the conversation then. So I can assume that your opinion is based on someone else's utterances, and you have assumed that they are right.

Oh well, I am glad that you believe that you are responsible for your conclusions, but to play the person rather than the material presented means that your argument against what i had posted was very false indeed.

 

[Troy Bën-Yâhuwchânân]

"New World Order" seems to be the rulers' term, not one of a true believer. Those rulers who have given themselves over to satan for their world domination plan seem to misunderstand the difference between the Most High and the worship of lucifer and the gods (demons)/idols. If they do understand this difference, they choose to serve satan purposely, not simply with from ignorance. The important part is what we should do about this. It is a spiritual battle, so we should respond spiritually. How? By acknowledging our Father in Truth. To accept the name of the Father and Son, and live for Him. I know Yahuwshua will lead and protect us no matter where we are at. May we always see how Yahweh remains with His children whenever we stay in Yahuwshua, our Savior.

c

 

[farouk]

The New World Order is the One World Government that is spoken OF, not named, in Revelation and Daniel.

This system is already well under way and mostly established.

Those who don't want Christians to believe the Tribulation period is anywhere close will deny this reality. The Pre-Trib Rapture is part of the illusion to keep people from seeing the Tribulation period unfold so that there is not a mass revival of the Christian faith. The enemies of Christ do not want that.

Pre-Trib Rapture allows people to believe there will be a final warning that can't be denied when masses of people start disappearing at once. This would give them a SECOND CHANCE, or last chance, to get right with God.

That final warning will never come.

The Lord Jesus in John 16.33 and Matthew 24.21 is talking about distinct things.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hmmm, so you think you'd have the skills to pull that job off ??

For sure play the role as all do. as with everything legal matters etc are all at hand with servants and all. my sister even worked for the GG bro.
And not to mention that if Covid wiped out X amount of the Royal family, then I am in that line that could become The King in fact. True story bro.
I have ran my own business bro and I know all the cunning tricks that are tossed at such and I know what such idiots are going to say before they open their stupid mouth and no wage earner has the foggiest about all such at all, so they would be in the deep end without a hope of swimming through all such truly at all. I could deal with anything if I put my hand to such, because I have been forged in such.
But I would prefer not to as I don't not like to deal with such people because they are all shady people who are corrupt and if you are not corrupt they will try and drag you down by whatever means in fact. I have got about in Political circles bro for many years and I know such is a sewer in fact.
But I have never been one to shirk responsibility and you would not see me coming up with hiding my loyalty's stance, like that fool clown did who is now going to be the GG. what a disgrace she is on just that point alone is of a clear traitor, but the nincompoops simpleton dregs of this world let such as that slide. Because their god the MSM has not pointed such out to them, is that of a traitor in fact.

 

[quietthinker]

Well it looks like you have nothing to contribute to the conversation then. So I can assume that your opinion is based on someone else's utterances, and you have assumed that they are right.

Oh well, I am glad that you believe that you are responsible for your conclusions, but to play the person rather than the material presented means that your argument against what i had posted was very false indeed.

your tactic JR is as old as history is long......ie, if you can discredit the individual you can also discredit their words.....they tried it with Jesus.
That's the best the carnal mind can come up with, the best...I'll say it again, the best....but in doing so they expose themselves.

 

[quietthinker]

For sure play the role as all do. as with everything legal matters etc are all at hand with servants and all. my sister even worked for the GG bro.
And not to mention that if Covid wiped out X amount of the Royal family, then I am in that line that could become The King in fact. True story bro.
I have ran my own business bro and I know all the cunning tricks that are tossed at such and I know what such idiots are going to say before they open their stupid mouth and no wage earner has the foggiest about all such at all, so they would be in the deep end without a hope of swimming through all such truly at all. I could deal with anything if I put my hand to such, because I have been forged in such.
But I would prefer not to as I don't not like to deal with such people because they are all shady people who are corrupt and if you are not corrupt they will try and drag you down by whatever means in fact. I have got about in Political circles bro for many years and I know such is a sewer in fact.
But I have never been one to shirk responsibility and you would not see me coming up with hiding my loyalty's stance, like that fool clown did who is now going to be the GG. what a disgrace she is on just that point alone is of a clear traitor, but the nincompoops simpleton dregs of this world let such as that slide. Because their god the MSM has not pointed such out to them, is that of a traitor in fact.

You need to go for the job then....oh but wait, I forgot about all your excuses .....what will I do with them?

 

[Jay Ross]

your tactic JR is as old as history is long......ie, if you can discredit the individual you can also discredit their words.....they tried it with Jesus.
That's the best the carnal mind can come up with, the best...I'll say it again, the best....but in doing so they expose themselves.

Well you seem to know these tactics better than I do as you play them so well. Well done by your play book.

As I said previously above, when you can back up your apologue with scriptures, then we may be able to continue this discussion so that the original context of the respective passages can be discovered by all.

Shalom

 

[quietthinker]

Well you seem to know these tactics better than I do as you play them so well. Well done by your play book.

As I said previously above, when you can back up your apologue with scriptures, then we may be able to continue this discussion so that the original context of the respective passages can be discovered by all.

Shalom

Thinking for oneself generates genuine questions. How is it possible that blame then becomes it's objective?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You need to go for the job then....oh but wait, I forgot about all your excuses .....what will I do with them?

Ha I don't want the job ? But if I had to do it I would not shirk from such regardless of what type of job that may be.
I do not fear such things but as one fellow contractor said to me when I was checking out the task, don't be afraid of it mate.
I was not afraid of it at all but surmising what had to be truly done, but he was the type who ran around back and forward like a chook wasting time making mistakes, he was all about making it look like he was working hard to impress other people, fearful of what others may think, it was don't do X,Y,Z or some fool may think something of you and trying to baffle people with BS but I could not care less what people think, as I only care about what one knows and I don't suffer fools gladly if it cost due to there blundering.
That dude said to my brother, you will never be as good as me mate. but that was just an inferiority trip that old mate having delusions, as my brother was a better tradesman than him and I knew because I was the one who had to fixed up everyone's imperfections.

 

[kcnalp]

Call it whatever you like, but it is coming.

Revelation 13:7 (KJV)
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Just look at how the world has changed in the last two years. It can come in the blink of an eye.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Yes, but the described event in this verse is still in our distant future. It is not about the present times.

Shalom

It is not something that will happen in the distant future. It is being built right now in Europe, primarily by the Roman Catholic Church. In light of America ditching our European allies and the economic uncertainty with the euro, Europe has every incentive to speed the formation of that empire along now. Macron has already been saying for years that Europe needs to build a collective military that rivals or even exceeds the power of the U.S. and Russia, and the recent turn of events in Afghanistan can only mean it can potentially be realized within the next few years since the EU doesn't want to lag behind Russia and China.

Im only suggesting it might be... How can you be certain its not?

Rev. 17 and the toes of the Dan. 2 statue gives the concrete indicator that all of the countries involved will be Catholic and were once part of the old Roman empire. Catholicism being the common denominator will ultimately be the reason those European countries eventually come together, especially because of the Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe and the massive influx of Muslim refugees.

 

[Jay Ross]

It is not something that will happen in the distant future. It is being built right now in Europe, primarily by the Roman Catholic Church. In light of America ditching our European allies and the economic uncertainty with the euro, Europe has every incentive to speed the formation of that empire along now. Macron has already been saying for years that Europe needs to build a collective military that rivals or even exceeds the power of the U.S. and Russia, and the recent turn of events in Afghanistan can only mean it can potentially be realized within the next few years since the EU doesn't want to lag behind Russia and China.

You can hold to whatever theory that you want to, but the "revived Roman Empire" is not even in sight at this present time. The Roman Empire was not even in sight in the Daniel 2 statue prophecy as the Grecian eastern empire dismantled all of the infrastructure in Babylon and mover the infrastructure materials, around the year 150 BC, to another part of their empire along with the people such that Babylon became devastated and desolated for a period of around 2,000 plus years until the Land of Babylon was recognised once more in 1926 with the establishment of Iraq by both France and Britain after WW1.

Even the revived Roman Empire is not in sight today. The entities involved in the saga of the Land of Babylon are, 1. Babylon, 2. The Medes and the Persians, 3. The Grecian Empire(s), 4. Iraq, and 5. The Coalition of the Willing with the USA taking the lead role. History confirms these nations as hold dominion over the Land of Babylon.

Shalom

 

[Naomi25]

Is the phrase "new world order"?
In the Bible?

I have never seen the phrase "new world order" in the Bible. So why is there so much focus and concern about "new world order"?

I would debate it's not a new world after all, is it?

I was just wondering this the other day, when I heard some Pastor mention it…many American Pastors seem focused on Australia and the use of it here at the moment.

This is only my rough thoughts on the matter, I have not studied in depth on it. However…I think that the phrase itself is borne from, as I think ‘stunned by grace’ pointed out, Daniel 7:23. The passage itself can be argued to referring to ‘end times’, as the ‘little horn’ spoken of in it is also pictured being judged by God in a scene almost exact as what we see in Rev 20. We also see him persecuting the ‘Saints’ until the time comes for them to ‘possess the kingdom’. With that in mind, we look at verse 23:

Daniel 7:23
[23] “Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast,
there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
which shall be different from all the kingdoms,
and it shall devour the whole earth,
and trample it down, and break it to pieces.

A ‘kingdom’ which shall be different than all that has gone before, that shall ‘devour the whole earth’ and ‘trample it down and break it to pieces’.
Grim.
So, I think we can understand, somewhat, how the understand came of an ‘end time’ kingdom that will encompass the whole world and will be totalitarian in nature.
This should not be unexpected, biblically. What do we see throughout scripture and particularly in Revelation? God creates, and Satan copies. God’s ultimate plan is a magnificent Kingdom, where all will worship him and love him…all will be united in purpose and adoration. It should not surprise us that Satan attempts to copy this here on earth…his one chance (false hope) of ruling and reigning. God will allow him a small window of control and dominance before Christ returns and brings his plans to nothing.

As far as the phrase itself “new world order”…its endemic of what it is and will come…but not necessary for it to occur. Indeed, others have tried under other names…remember ‘third reich’? Hitlers grand plan to have a glorious kingdom for 1000 years? It was supposed to stretch the globe as well. But it was not Satan’s time then and Hitler, while A antichrist, was not THE antichrist.

Anyway, I suppose that’s how I see it…although I’m certainly not set or dogmatic on it.