Don't think about this words like I'm looking for glory. This is what Father demands from me and all of His children. This is His will.
No more slave to sin
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I have a mission from God to accomplish here on The Earth. And I need help from others, who knows His Spirit. I'm not smart enough and can't speak beautifully. Plus English is my second language, I'm not a leader type person, have no position, authority, fame, influence. But I can hear His voice. My mission is to clear the path - clarity and explain what is necessary and what is religious fog. As many can admit that Christianity is not a sanctuary for humanity. But there are many Christians who walk their own way despite others struggle in fleshy trap. So, not incantations like - "Jesus my savior" is what we need but clear path. When we get rid of religious fog , we'll open doors for all people to chose - be righteous and Reasonable or continue to be who they are, slaves of unreasonable instincts. God wants separation.
I'm an outsider. And I am not looking for justifications for Christianity. I can say straight what is wrong. While Christians will make excuses for their churches and their dogmas, I can say truth without hesitation.
Big Boy Johnson
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I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "God" and by "God's Spirit" if you aren't a Christian. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by these terms?
Also, why do think God's Spirit will guide you?
And one other thing: Why do you want to "replace yourself"?
Okay. So, why do you say this? If you aren't a Christian, are you deriving this idea, here, from some source other than the Bible? If so, what source, exactly? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
Hmmm... so you think that "rejecting yourself" is to reject being guided by your feelings and desires and to be guided by the Holy Spirit instead? Am I getting your right, here?
If you aren't a Christian, why do you think there's a Holy Spirit at all, let alone that you can be guided by Him?
Okay. Well, Moses was the only one permitted to meet with God on Mount Sinai, Moses' face literally shining for a time afterward. He did see God's "hinder parts."
You're right that none of us are holy and pure (Ro. 3:10; 23; 5:6-10; Tit. 3:3-7), but God doesn't say this keeps us from Him. What separates us from Him is our unwillingness to draw near to Him in the way He tells us to. If we come to God His way (Ro. 10:9-10; 1 Jn. 1:9), He promises to draw near to us, to be found by us, and to fellowship with us forever (Ja. 4:6-10; Jer. 29:13; 1 Jn. 1:3; Rev. 3:20; He. 13:5). I think this is quite wonderful and exciting, don't you?
I don't know what you mean, exactly, by "he becomes you." Do you think you become God, or a god? Why do you say the Person of the Holy Spirit is "our bright white clothes"? I can't recall that being stated in Scripture...
Hmmm... I don't think God ignores anything in the universe. He's omnipresent and omniscient and so is always fully aware of all things everywhere. Nothing, then, escapes His attention. But God doesn't fellowship with everything in the universe. Intimate communion He reserves only for us who are made in His image and who love Him (Matt. 22:36-38; Rev. 3:20; 1 Jn. 1:3; 2 Co. 13:14; 1 Co. 1:9). But even though we bear something of His likeness, if we will not interact with Him according to the way He sets out for us to do in His word, the Bible, we cannot know and enjoy Him. Worse, He will forever separate us from Himself if we die in this condition (Jn. 3:36; 1 Jn. 5:11-12; Rev. 20:11-15).
Why do you believe this when the Bible is so clear that Jesus is your Savior? See John 1:4,10-12; 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 5:11-12. Why have you decided to approach God in the way you want to do and not according to His way?
Yes, Jesus was fully human. But he was also fully divine. And he was divine before he was human. See Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:12-19; 2:9-10; John 1:1-4.
How did he do this, do you think? I know what the Bible says (He. 7-10:22), but you seem to have rejected its truth.
What do you mean by "like Jesus"? Do you think you'll be able to create a universe and sustain it at every moment, as Jesus does? Do you think you'll be omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and perfect in love, holiness, wisdom, truth and faithfulness, as he is?
Oh? Why? And how?
Okay. Hmmm... How will you be perfect, exactly? What is it to be perfect? How, being imperfect, finite and sin-cursed are you able to accurately define what perfection is?
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Okay. How is it, being an outsider, that you can "say straight what is wrong" (I presume about Christians and the faith generally)? How do you know you have the truth? On what basis are you confident that you do?
Part 1.
Once, I found myself incapable of resisting irritations and anger, despite being religious. I know the same thing is happening for the majority of people no matter which church they are belong to. But, some rare believers, from different regions, have the ability to be more unconditional, less reactive. I left my religion organization, there were more bad things to reconsider. Wasn't easy. I had experience with God at least 3 times before, it wasn't happening to most of my brothers and sisters, and if they had something spiritual it wasn't significant from my perspective. I became more confident that God picks individuals, not ideology. I prayed to God and asked for real direct guidance and for straight truth. I never believed that Yeshua (Jesus) was God and came to this world to die. It was my own impression after the first time I was reading the Bible. After finishing reading gospels, I felt the necessity to start praying to God and repenting. It was my first time I met God. My second and third meeting with God was after me finding my limits to be a pure loving person. I couldn't resist the irritations I felt when people didn't like me and disrespect me. I hated my inability to unconditionally love people, because I chose to be such a person, but I couldn't. Before the third time God visited me, I tried to run away from my sinful body, I ran with tears as fast as I could. I was deeply at odds with my flesh. Can you understand what was in my heart? When God came to me, I felt being the center of the Universe, because the center is with God. I saw (spiritually) how the whole Universe rotates around me. All these 3 experiences gave me confidence to trust God and get rid of all religions, dogmas, leaders and human opinions. Under God's guidance I found that the Bible is not enough for me, and that there are a lot of weeds. All God's words in the scripture came through human minds. Everything depends on their level of understanding, vocabulary, data, experience. I don't want to have mediators, middlemen between me and God.
Part 2.
I started to dig deeper to understand the Spirit. My old church didn't teach us about the Holy Spirit in the right way. I was trying to understand what Spirit is, what he is like, how I can follow him? But before, God navigated my spiritual life. I started to think that people can have deep prayer, meet God and be spiritually alive, be at peace in meditation. But when they go to live in the outside world, everything is left behind in that prayer, in church and meditation. There is no God in our daily lives. I started to look for a solution, how to keep connection with God constantly. The answer was to keep praying without saying “amen”, but how, with words? Then it just turns into empempty mantras. Solution came to me, to pray just with my heart, wordlessly. In parallel I went through another opening. I started listening to a classical music masterpiece. As soon as goosebumps appeared, a question came to my mind. Do you enjoy this music and these goosebumps more than God right now? I immediately started ignoring my pleasant feelings and looking for God. And I sensed Him without feelings. It was an eye opening moment. I combined these two new approaches - praying without words and keeping that sense of God in my heart without fleshy feelings. Also a few days before I noticed something new in the world, some presence. It was pure and quiet wisdom. I decided to be connected to it. It looked like God or His Spirit. When I held myself in this position - praying, with an open heart and listening to silent wisdom without feelings, I found that I became different. Slowly it became natural. I found myself reasoning. I became slow to judgment, proactive, and words of God started to flood my mind. I recognized myself as awakened, like I was swimming underwater and finally came out on the surface. I gave name to this new thing - reasonable consciousness. Now I can say it was Spirit of God or Holy Reason - my new guidance. How can I confirm to myself he is still with me? If I start saying something to God, it becomes prayer without transformation in the Spirit. I don't need to look for God, He is always here. I realized that people pray by their flesh, sometimes mixed with the Spirit, but always sense God by their flesh. Flesh feels joy and pleasure under God's (His Spirit) presence. It is why they lose him again and again. They always try to inspire their flesh to feel pleasure and joy. They don't use God's Spirit to live by him. Spirit given to replace flesh. I realized it deeper, when I recalled Yeshua's words - we are Temple of God. Thoughts came to me - how to worship God? How did Jewish worship? I recalled that Yeshua was chosen like a lamb. Lamb was chosen to sacrifice, and only after killing the animal, the highest priest was able to enter the Holy of the Holiest. I started to think, which symbolic rituals can I perform in reality in my Temple? There is a lot to dig in.
I started to dig deeper to understand the Spirit. My old church didn't teach us about the Holy Spirit in the right way. I was trying to understand what Spirit is, what he is like, how I can follow him? But before, God navigated my spiritual life. I started to think that people can have deep prayer, meet God and be spiritually alive, be at peace in meditation. But when they go to live in the outside world, everything is left behind in that prayer, in church and meditation. There is no God in our daily lives. I started to look for a solution, how to keep connection with God constantly. The answer was to keep praying without saying “amen”, but how, with words? Then it just turns into empempty mantras. Solution came to me, to pray just with my heart, wordlessly. In parallel I went through another opening. I started listening to a classical music masterpiece. As soon as goosebumps appeared, a question came to my mind. Do you enjoy this music and these goosebumps more than God right now? I immediately started ignoring my pleasant feelings and looking for God. And I sensed Him without feelings. It was an eye opening moment. I combined these two new approaches - praying without words and keeping that sense of God in my heart without fleshy feelings. Also a few days before I noticed something new in the world, some presence. It was pure and quiet wisdom. I decided to be connected to it. It looked like God or His Spirit. When I held myself in this position - praying, with an open heart and listening to silent wisdom without feelings, I found that I became different. Slowly it became natural. I found myself reasoning. I became slow to judgment, proactive, and words of God started to flood my mind. I recognized myself as awakened, like I was swimming underwater and finally came out on the surface. I gave name to this new thing - reasonable consciousness. Now I can say it was Spirit of God or Holy Reason - my new guidance. How can I confirm to myself he is still with me? If I start saying something to God, it becomes prayer without transformation in the Spirit. I don't need to look for God, He is always here. I realized that people pray by their flesh, sometimes mixed with the Spirit, but always sense God by their flesh. Flesh feels joy and pleasure under God's (His Spirit) presence. It is why they lose him again and again. They always try to inspire their flesh to feel pleasure and joy. They don't use God's Spirit to live by him. Spirit given to replace flesh. I realized it deeper, when I recalled Yeshua's words - we are Temple of God. Thoughts came to me - how to worship God? How did Jewish worship? I recalled that Yeshua was chosen like a lamb. Lamb was chosen to sacrifice, and only after killing the animal, the highest priest was able to enter the Holy of the Holiest. I started to think, which symbolic rituals can I perform in reality in my Temple? There is a lot to dig in.
Part 3.
I had questions, why lamb? Why do we need a pure heart to see God? Then Yeshua's words came to my mind - Don't be afraid of my yoke, my yoke is meek and gentle. And I realized God's voice is quiet and gentle. He doesn't need to fight with competitors, He doesn't have instincts and He is not guided through feelings and emotions. And only if we quiet (pure) in our hearts we can hear, only if we reject ourselves with thoughts (ideology), feelings and emotions we can sense Him. Otherwise we feel our own feelings, have our own thoughts and think this is god. This is how false prophets and antichrists are coming. They lead to themselves. They escaped the altar like goats and became wolves.
God navigated me through science. I became more confident and watched a difficult for Christians scientific video. I watched about animal behavior (ethology), neuroscience, and evolutionary science. No problem for me to counter the most difficult topics. For me, living with God is not fighting with evil and accepting goodness. For me it is to reject the dead, accept the Living Spirit and use him. As animals guided by instincts (unreasonable consciousness) because they don't understand, we must be guided by Reason (reasonable consciousness). Because God is Reasonable. Don't think about Reason as if it is intelligence. Intellect is a tool and for smart sinful people it serves unreasonable instincts. Reason is the Holy Spirit, opens the truth as it is straight. For example, people think their sexual desires are from them and they are essential to them as a goal. For me, the reproductive system exists to have babies, and for this reason God separated us as males and females. Only for having babies, not for pleasure. Woman's breast is for storing milk to feed babies. Not for man to squeeze. Do you see it? How can I have the desire to have a sex with woman? I'm not going to create a family and have babies with her, I already have a wife and 5 kids. When I am aware, there are no temptations that can stand in front of me. Do you remember that Yeshua was reasoning against Satan’s temptations after 40 days in the desert? For him it was reasonable and obvious to reject dead unreasonable instincts. People try to fight feelings by the feelings, ignore evil ones and enjoy good ones. But they all come from the same dead tree. This tree God created to feed animals, they don't understand and don't need to understand. Also, while we’re young and don’t grasp anything, we’ll obey servants and managers—those instinctive programs—and won’t differ from the animals, even though we’re heirs to everything. We have to switch from instincts to start using the Holy Spirit as our guidance. From feelings to awareness and understanding.
I had questions, why lamb? Why do we need a pure heart to see God? Then Yeshua's words came to my mind - Don't be afraid of my yoke, my yoke is meek and gentle. And I realized God's voice is quiet and gentle. He doesn't need to fight with competitors, He doesn't have instincts and He is not guided through feelings and emotions. And only if we quiet (pure) in our hearts we can hear, only if we reject ourselves with thoughts (ideology), feelings and emotions we can sense Him. Otherwise we feel our own feelings, have our own thoughts and think this is god. This is how false prophets and antichrists are coming. They lead to themselves. They escaped the altar like goats and became wolves.
God navigated me through science. I became more confident and watched a difficult for Christians scientific video. I watched about animal behavior (ethology), neuroscience, and evolutionary science. No problem for me to counter the most difficult topics. For me, living with God is not fighting with evil and accepting goodness. For me it is to reject the dead, accept the Living Spirit and use him. As animals guided by instincts (unreasonable consciousness) because they don't understand, we must be guided by Reason (reasonable consciousness). Because God is Reasonable. Don't think about Reason as if it is intelligence. Intellect is a tool and for smart sinful people it serves unreasonable instincts. Reason is the Holy Spirit, opens the truth as it is straight. For example, people think their sexual desires are from them and they are essential to them as a goal. For me, the reproductive system exists to have babies, and for this reason God separated us as males and females. Only for having babies, not for pleasure. Woman's breast is for storing milk to feed babies. Not for man to squeeze. Do you see it? How can I have the desire to have a sex with woman? I'm not going to create a family and have babies with her, I already have a wife and 5 kids. When I am aware, there are no temptations that can stand in front of me. Do you remember that Yeshua was reasoning against Satan’s temptations after 40 days in the desert? For him it was reasonable and obvious to reject dead unreasonable instincts. People try to fight feelings by the feelings, ignore evil ones and enjoy good ones. But they all come from the same dead tree. This tree God created to feed animals, they don't understand and don't need to understand. Also, while we’re young and don’t grasp anything, we’ll obey servants and managers—those instinctive programs—and won’t differ from the animals, even though we’re heirs to everything. We have to switch from instincts to start using the Holy Spirit as our guidance. From feelings to awareness and understanding.
"Being religious" is not God's way to the life to which He calls us all. He lays out a very different way to walk with Him in His word, the Bible. I'm not sure you've ever understood what that way is.
But it's impossible for you to know this. In order to say this with justified confidence, you'd have to have certain and personal knowledge that this was so, which it's impossible for you to have. You simply can't know in this certain and personal way "the majority of people no matter which church they belong to." Only God would have such knowledge.
What you appear to be doing here is stretching your own experience over everybody else, thinking that, if your experience has been of a particular kind, everyone else's experience must be the same, too. But this isn't necessarily the case. There is no law of Nature or of God that makes your experience everyone else's, right? So, then, why are you thinking that "the same thing is happening for the majority of people"? You seem to be just assuming - making a guess, really - that your struggle with temper is the struggle of everyone else, too. But guessing at things is a very poor way to come to good, solid conclusions about them.
How do you know it was God you experienced? The devil, or his agents, come to us as "angels of light," the Bible says. How do you know what you think was God wasn't just the devil in disguise? On what grounds, outside of your personal opinion, do you say that "If they had something spiritual, it wasn't significant"? Because their experience wasn't like yours? Are you making yourself the standard for everyone else? If so, on what grounds? Why should others have the same experience that you've had?
Why? You have a Bible, I hope. In it is all the guidance and "straight truth" God intends to give you. Why ask Him for more? Do you know the Bible well? Have you studied it carefully for yourself? If not, why should God give you more truth? If you've not been careful with the truth He's already given you, why should He give you more?
Then whatever you are, you aren't a Christian. Jesus is the star of the Bible, the Shining Center of it, and if you deny him, the God-Man that he is, you cannot understand God's word, the Bible. What's worse, the God you prayed to was not the God of the Bible, for that God is Jesus, the one you've denied.
John 1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
Colossians 1:15-18
15 Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Colossians 2:9-10
9 For in Christ all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
Having denied Jesus is God, and thus denied God, it is certain that whatever "truth" you think God has led you into, it wasn't actually from Him. The only alternative, since there is no other God besides the one described in the Bible that includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as well as God, the Father, is that you were deceived by the devil and given false truth.
We all know, deep down, that we need cleansing from our sin and forgiveness, and a greater power than our own to cease from sin.
??? This is the oldest lie that Satan uses to deceive people: "You will be as God." To think the "universe rotates around me" is to accept this lie of the devil, for there is only One around whom the universe actually "rotates" and that is its Creator and Sustainer, the God revealed to us in the Bible. No matter what you might have felt, then, the truth is that the universe does not rotate around you. But the devil certainly would want you to think you are "as God" and that you have this pivotal place in the universe. This was his temptation to Eve in Eden and it remains his temptation to all of humanity today.
Except your own, of course. You've kept your own opinion, and dogma, and have formed your own religion, right? But why shouldn't others do to you as you've done to them and dismiss your opinion, dogma and peculiar religion? Many of them have their own very powerful experiences of God, too. What makes yours better, or more true, than theirs? Do you see the problems with how you're thinking about what you've described to me?
Everything you've described is subjectively based: Your story is about your feelings, your thinking, your experiences rather than about something beyond yourself that is objective, concrete and real and that would be so even if you didn't know about it. You seem to have just substituted yourself for God and want to say that the result is new, true spirituality that everyone should subscribe to. But this is what every cult leader has said.
I felt being the center of the Universe once, and only because the Center (God) visited me. It wasn't belong to me. Do you suggest me to believe that satan can love me? Does he has pure, powerful all-forgiving love?
Can I use the same excuse Yeshua used against pharisees? How can "satan" give me the power to cast out "demons" from me? How about devided kindom? For me, not committing sins is just the base level. It is even not the goal! How can I with my own power or with power of satan to perform better than average Christian? Yes, I have my own problems, I even was rebellion against God in the beginning of transition. I was disagreed with situation that righteous people powerless and without protection against evil people. Job's story helped me, but eventually recognizing that it was flesh's opinion not from the Spirit cleared the situation. I am a bad leader and usles satan servant, I don’t have any followers! My own wife doesn’t believe in God, my children were taught against God (by my wife) and can't accept anything not from me, not from Christianity. Despite admitting I became better person. I have nothing to be proud. Maybe my musical talants? I don’t care about them. My journey started from relying on God 100%. My wife, some my friends attacked me for being too much religious, I lost connections with brothers and sisters from my old sect. I am still alone. I never had such power to stand strong against everyone else and the whole world. Am I doing it to myself? I'm saying "yes" just to trick myself. I also say if noone wants to be with God, I'll enjoy Him alone. Once I stepped down from this path, temporary. I asked God to allow me to take a break and take care of my children, because gap between me and whole world was growing. He didn't say okay, but accepted my resignation. And I just to restore my previous state. It wasn't easy to start over. I remembered having power against sins but everything were gone. I knew God exists but didn't believe it. I became miserable and addictive to digital world.
Being an average believer I cried a lot in prayer. Now I stopped. It is my flesh (my lamb) is still trying to live. I use Spirit to be aware and understand. Just sad awareness is enough.
I visited many churches, nowhere I found even my minimum standard. Just watched video on YouTube about the Holy Spirit. In comments people are sharing that they have the Spirit, but still commit sins, then start over again. How can anyone said that this is what means to be free from sins. Seriously? This is situation to be a slave of two masters! How nobody can see it?
I visited many churches, nowhere I found even my minimum standard. Just watched video on YouTube about the Holy Spirit. In comments people are sharing that they have the Spirit, but still commit sins, then start over again. How can anyone said that this is what means to be free from sins. Seriously? This is situation to be a slave of two masters! How nobody can see it?
