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  1. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Some say that verse 6 above is saying that at one time, God saved people unto eternal life by their works, but now it is by grace. This is because the verse reads it is " no more of works", therefore, it used to be. I do not hold to this.


    Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

    9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    In the verses above, the meaning of "no more of works" can be found. Paul is saying that Israel sought righteousness, not by faith, but by the works of the law. Romans 11:6 is saying, the election of grace is God's determination to save those that believe by faith; faith would be based on the propitiation of Jesus. Israel stumbled at the stumblingstone of Christ. The remnant attained righteousness by faith. This righteousness is by grace, not by works. The remnant did not attain righteousness by the works of the law.

    Paul stated that all of Israel were not children of God by virture of being of the seed of Abraham; Israel is counted as being the children of God thru the promise God gave through Isaac.

    Rebecca had two sons, Jacob and Esau, by Isaac; God elected to chose Jacob to make the covenant.

    Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

    Election is God chosing how, and through whom, he will fulfill His purposes. God did not chose Jacob because he did good, and Esau did evil. The election of grace is not dependant on doing good or evil. The election is of grace. The election is not of works.

    That is why Romans 11:6 says that it is "no more of works". The remnant attains righteousness by the election of grace. If the election is by grace, then it is no more of works. Grace has been chosen by God for righteousness. Works have been eliminated as a means of attaining righteousness.
     
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    1stCenturyLady Well-Known Member

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    What do you consider "works"?

    It is possible you have a warped definition of grace. It has been erroneously taught for decades, possibly centuries, that grace is "unmerited favor." It is actually favor. And the apostles taught that grace is the power of God given to us to be righteous. It is not of ourselves, it is the Spirit working through us. Therefore it is not our works, but works empowered by the Spirit. Romans 8:2-9. After all, James said, faith without works is dead. We need the Spirit.
     
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    Grace is unmerited favor because there is no one who can earn or deserve the grace of God. So it remains unmerited and undeserved favor or mercy.
     
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    Absolutely correct. We do not earn righteousness being made a part of our abilities. We do what we know to do... out of love for God... and He does all the "righteousness" stuff, not us.
     
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    Addressing the OP only,
    James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    James 2:22 "Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    James 2:23 "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


    here's the answer and you posted it,
    is God calling? .... even today? ... did not called Abraham, and he believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness.

    your works, or may we say, (he who is in you who dose the works), makes your Faith, perfect/complete, because you're saved. one who is called, is not working to be save, but working because he or she are saved. only a live tree bear fruit.

    PICJAG
     
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    "Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2.9).....
     
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    Do you disagree that grace is the power of God working through us, and that it is not of ourselves? How else are we dead to sin? How else are we not in the flesh but in the Spirit?
     
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    Using Catholicism as an example, some teach that God allows salvation by grace after performing certain required good works.

    The Bible teaches works are the results of being born again.

    1 Corinthians 9:24-26 New International Version (NIV)
    The Need for Self-Discipline
    24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

    2 Timothy 4:8 New International Version (NIV)
    8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

    Revelation 2:10 New International Version (NIV)
    10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.

    1 Thessalonians 2:19 New International Version (NIV)
    19 For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you?

    1 Peter 5:4 New International Version (NIV)
    4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
     
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    NO MORE WORKS <----> OP

    WORKS leaning on a multiple understandings, IMO.

    WORKS ~ "inner" <---- ACTION
    WORKS ~ "outer" <---- ACTION

    "Inner" ~ Trust, Believing, Thoughts (mind, soul, spirit), Exalting, Loving, Obeying etc. ~ Toward Lord God... even yet, while one IS a sinner ~
    Results in God "FINDING" GRACE in the man.

    Gen 6
    [8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

    "Outer" ~ Specific to the individual man "physically" DOING, "FOR" "TOWARD" the Lord God.

    Gen 8
    [20] And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

    ^ Those ARE "specific" "exclusively" "inner and outer" WORKS Between;
    "A" man and "Thee" Lord God.


    Bottom Line ~

    The INNER WORKS of "A" man - TOWARD Trust, Belief, Submission TO Thee Lord God ~
    IS the paramount KEY to WORKS an individual man can DO.

    THE SUBMISSION...TO Thee Lord God...

    OT ~ WHAT men KNEW...
    Inner man submission exclusively TO Lord God
    Outer man obedience to the Law

    OT ~ SOMEWHAT REVEALED...
    NT ~ FURTHER REVEALED...
    NT ~ REVEALED, by WORD of God, speaking.
    NT ~ REVEALED by an OBSERVING (seeable Example) VIA JESUS.

    Inner man submission...exclusively TO Lord God
    Details, WHAT GOD Himself DOES...exclusively TO that man.

    Forgiveness for having had disbelief.
    Spiritually kills the flesh.
    Spiritually washes, sanctifies, covers, keeps,
    ...justifies the body to Become raised in glory.
    Spiritually restores (saves) the soul.
    Spiritually gives the man HIS Seed.
    Spiritually His Seed, Quickens the mans
    ..natural spirit to an everlasting spiritual
    ..spirit, (ie mans rebirthed spirit...
    ...........(ie born again)
    Spiritually Circumcises the mans HEART.
    ...........(ie new heart)
    Spiritually HIS Power (ie Spirit), dwells
    ............within the mans new heart, WITH
    ............the mans NEW spirit.


    Rom 12:
    [1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    All OTHER "WORKS"...
    Between men, According to Laws, etc., WILL receive "recognition", and blessings and rewards.....BUT WILL NOT SAVE A MAN.

    God Bless,
    Taken
     
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    My post was to show that God, through election determined His plan of salvation. It was His sovereign choice as to who he picked to fulfill His plan. For example, He chose Jacob, not Esau. Jacob was not picked because of works of doing right.

    That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Romans 8:4

    You are right here, I agree we are dead, and our life is hid in God. We are created unto good works. I was not saying we should not have good works. Good works don't save us to eternal life.

    James was talking to Jews. The Jews in the tribulation will show their faith by their works to enter the Kingdom on earth at Christ's coming.

    That is not to negate good works for us however.
     
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    You are right, however;

    There is more than one sense in which the term justification is used

    Abraham was justified unto eternal life when he believed God

    He was also justified, shown to be righteous, when he obeyed God, and offered up Isaac.

    He was saved by grace through faith only.
     
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    All Israel was God's elect, and yet not all Israel believed and were saved. Ephesians 1 shows that the apostles were predestined, but then the Ephesians also believed by God's foreknowledge. There is a difference. God DID NOT create some for damnation.
     
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    It's all of grace! Ephesians 2.8-9.
     
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    What must someone do to receive this grace? or is it free to everyone?

    In peace
     
  15. Dave L

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    If you believe in Christ it is because of God's grace enabling you to believe. If you do not believe it is because God has not enabled you to believe by grace.
     
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    Okay. So we must believe in Christ. How does God know if someone believes in Christ or not?

    In peace
     
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    Another thought. If God allows people to believe and denies others to believe, then doesn't that mean that God chooses people to go to hell? This seems a little strange to me.
     
  18. Dave L

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    You must be born again before you can believe in Christ. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Belief is the evidence God saved you, not the means of saving yourself.
     
  19. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    Nobody believes in the true Christ unless God enables them to through the new birth. He simply ignores the rest who love sin more than him.
     
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    "enable them to through the 'new birth'". What do you mean by this? What is this new birth, and how does one attain it?
    In peace
     
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