His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. (Psalm 146:4 KJV)
It is being said there is no help in these people. But what is it saying about these people? It says there breath goes forth, and he returns to earth (like how we die, and decay), and in that day his thought perish.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43 KJV)
Unfortunatly, this comma is in error. When the KJV first came, punctuation wasn't inspired. That's a little obvious when we look at the next verse.
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17 KJV)
The problem with these two verses, is it LOOKS like Jesus was being untruthful either to Mary, or to the Theif on the Cross. Which was he being untruthful to? Neither.
The Comma goes after the word today. Changes the whole meaning of the verse. Jesus is saying "I say unti you today, you shall be with me in paradise". Now this section is in complete harmony.
So we see that Jesus died, and for three days was in the grave, and then was ressurected. Then Jesus confirms that he has not been to Heaven yet, by talking to Mary saying He was not in Heaven. Where was he? Dead, or as he refers to it - He was "sleeping". No consciousness in death, that is Pagan philosophy my friend. Never was in scriptures, just verses pulled out to support that little theory. Not really a surprise, since Paganism and Christianity have blended immensly in these last days. Simply put, can a dead man praise the Lord?
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence. (Psalm 115:17 KJV)
Lazarus was one of Christ's, but did you pay attention to when he would be alive again? In the ressurection, on the last day. The "Dead in Christ" shall raise first. So yes, there are believers in Christ who die. We are without consciousness.
Ecclesiates applies to everyone. Are you alive? Then you know that one day you shall die.
Let's look at your contrasting a little deeper.
The living know that they shall die. This cannot possibly be refering to just Christians. Why? Because it says the living know that they shall DIE. Some places teach that death just means to be without Christ. Christians living know that one day they shall be without Christ? I hope not, because that's pretty scary in itself. It is very plain here. The living know that they shall die, plain and simple. I know i'm going to die one day, you're going to die one day. But what about the dead? Well harmonizing with scripture, you read that we don't know anything in death.
Put it like this, either Jesus died for you, or he didn't. So which is it? Did he pretend to die? No, of course not. Jesus literally died, as it says the wages of sin is death. "Ye shall not surely die" is a lie of the devil.
The ressurection doesn't contradict scripture. They were raised, to bear witness of Christ, then taken to heaven. Where does it indicate there was consciousness in their death? Nowhere. Moses was also ressurected. We can find out the contention between Moses body between the Lord and Satan in scripture.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 1:9 KJV)
For the sake of there not being idolatry, God buried Moses in a place where no man knew. God then raised Moses up, and brought Him to Heaven. When this happened, we have no clue. Those are secrets for God and Him alone.
Notice, there is a ressurection of the dead, and not a ressurection of the living. That wouldn't even make any sense. As Paul taught, the Saints are indeed ressurected as Christ was.
As God says, the soul that sinneth, it shall die (at least 3 times). We have sinned, thus we die. It is literal death, not "ye shall not surely die". Was God right or Satan?
Do we die?
Or shall we surely not die?
It is being said there is no help in these people. But what is it saying about these people? It says there breath goes forth, and he returns to earth (like how we die, and decay), and in that day his thought perish.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43 KJV)
Unfortunatly, this comma is in error. When the KJV first came, punctuation wasn't inspired. That's a little obvious when we look at the next verse.
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17 KJV)
The problem with these two verses, is it LOOKS like Jesus was being untruthful either to Mary, or to the Theif on the Cross. Which was he being untruthful to? Neither.
The Comma goes after the word today. Changes the whole meaning of the verse. Jesus is saying "I say unti you today, you shall be with me in paradise". Now this section is in complete harmony.
So we see that Jesus died, and for three days was in the grave, and then was ressurected. Then Jesus confirms that he has not been to Heaven yet, by talking to Mary saying He was not in Heaven. Where was he? Dead, or as he refers to it - He was "sleeping". No consciousness in death, that is Pagan philosophy my friend. Never was in scriptures, just verses pulled out to support that little theory. Not really a surprise, since Paganism and Christianity have blended immensly in these last days. Simply put, can a dead man praise the Lord?
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence. (Psalm 115:17 KJV)
Lazarus was one of Christ's, but did you pay attention to when he would be alive again? In the ressurection, on the last day. The "Dead in Christ" shall raise first. So yes, there are believers in Christ who die. We are without consciousness.
Ecclesiates applies to everyone. Are you alive? Then you know that one day you shall die.
Let's look at your contrasting a little deeper.
The living know that they shall die. This cannot possibly be refering to just Christians. Why? Because it says the living know that they shall DIE. Some places teach that death just means to be without Christ. Christians living know that one day they shall be without Christ? I hope not, because that's pretty scary in itself. It is very plain here. The living know that they shall die, plain and simple. I know i'm going to die one day, you're going to die one day. But what about the dead? Well harmonizing with scripture, you read that we don't know anything in death.
Put it like this, either Jesus died for you, or he didn't. So which is it? Did he pretend to die? No, of course not. Jesus literally died, as it says the wages of sin is death. "Ye shall not surely die" is a lie of the devil.
The ressurection doesn't contradict scripture. They were raised, to bear witness of Christ, then taken to heaven. Where does it indicate there was consciousness in their death? Nowhere. Moses was also ressurected. We can find out the contention between Moses body between the Lord and Satan in scripture.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 1:9 KJV)
For the sake of there not being idolatry, God buried Moses in a place where no man knew. God then raised Moses up, and brought Him to Heaven. When this happened, we have no clue. Those are secrets for God and Him alone.
Notice, there is a ressurection of the dead, and not a ressurection of the living. That wouldn't even make any sense. As Paul taught, the Saints are indeed ressurected as Christ was.
As God says, the soul that sinneth, it shall die (at least 3 times). We have sinned, thus we die. It is literal death, not "ye shall not surely die". Was God right or Satan?
Do we die?
Or shall we surely not die?