Where did the term Second Coming come from? I am gathering since no one will answer this that the term is man made is that correct? Again why was these not in the Bible?
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Because he said when he left he would return in the same manner and every eye would see him coming in the clouds dont have time to look up the verse right Now but someone else may if not I get to it a few hours .............. PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE(A Parable God tells Us To Learn)------------------------------------------------Everyday its seems we hear or see somthing else about the "END TIMES".We watch to see if God's prophecy's are being played out on the world stage.God tells us that no one knows the hour or day of the return of Christ.However he tells us we should watch and know the season,just as we know when the leaves turn colors and begin to fall,that the seasons are going to change,God tells us to watch for the season of the "End Times"Matthew 24, Mark 13 ,Luke 21, all tell us of the signs of this season,there will be false prophets,wars,rumors of wars,and earthquakesbut these things have always been so how do we know when we are supposed to start watching for this particular season? When being asked of these things Jesus gave a parableLuke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable;Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;Luke29:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selvesthat summer is now nigh at hand.Luke29:31: So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass,know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.Luke29:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilledA parable is simular to a riddle meaning there is a mystery or hidden meaning in the words. It is saying more than the surface words.So what does this riddle say? It has long been understood by biblical scholars that trees represent"Nations" and the "Fig Tree" represents IsraelSo taking this into account the parable would now read:Behold Israel, and all the NationsWhen they come forth,yea shall know the season is at handSo likewise when you see these things come to pass,know that the kingdom of God is close at handI say unto you,This generation shall not pass away till all things be fufilledNow that we know what the parable says lets inspect it futher. Behold Israel.Israel became a nation,for the first time since Christ's time on May 14,1948 (U.N ratified 1947)NationsThese are the nations that the bible says exsist in the end timesGenerationWhat Generation is it speaking of? the generation that see's Israel become a Nation So we can now see that the Parable of the Fig Tree tells us that the generation that saw the 1948 formation of the state of Israel is the generation that will see the "End Time events and the return of Christ.A generation in the bible is 40 years,70 years,or 120 years.Although we can not completely rule out 120 year generation people in our day do not normally live to 120 years old so it would seem that 40 years or 70 years would be more likely however 40 years has already passed, so by process of elimination we are left with 70 year Generation. God does not say he will wait the full 70 years, only that the generation will not all pass away before the end comes.We are fast aproaching the 70th year May14, 2008 will complete 60 years of the 70 year generation.And the 70 years ends May 14,2018There is another important date that we are approaching that may shed more light on where we stand in the time line.East Jerusalem was part of the so called occupied territories untill the Six Day War of June 5,1967. When Israel finally took position of all of Jerusalam.Which completed the current day state of Israel.In June 2007 Israel will celebrate the 40 year aniversery of the possession of Jerusalam.Forty(40) is an important number in Gods word and often signifies completeness or fullness of time.kriss
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.here it isHe also says somewhere he comes quickly like a theif in the night if someone can find that verse gotta go to dinner be back later
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Because he said when he left he would return in the same manner and every eye would see him coming in the clouds dont have time to look up the verse right Now but someone else may if not I get to it a few hours .............. PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE(A Parable God tells Us To Learn)------------------------------------------------Everyday its seems we hear or see somthing else about the "END TIMES".We watch to see if God's prophecy's are being played out on the world stage.God tells us that no one knows the hour or day of the return of Christ.However he tells us we should watch and know the season,just as we know when the leaves turn colors and begin to fall,that the seasons are going to change,God tells us to watch for the season of the "End Times"Matthew 24, Mark 13 ,Luke 21, all tell us of the signs of this season,there will be false prophets,wars,rumors of wars,and earthquakesbut these things have always been so how do we know when we are supposed to start watching for this particular season? When being asked of these things Jesus gave a parableLuke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable;Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;Luke29:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selvesthat summer is now nigh at hand.Luke29:31: So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass,know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.Luke29:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilledA parable is simular to a riddle meaning there is a mystery or hidden meaning in the words. It is saying more than the surface words.So what does this riddle say? It has long been understood by biblical scholars that trees represent"Nations" and the "Fig Tree" represents IsraelSo taking this into account the parable would now read:Behold Israel, and all the NationsWhen they come forth,yea shall know the season is at handSo likewise when you see these things come to pass,know that the kingdom of God is close at handI say unto you,This generation shall not pass away till all things be fufilledNow that we know what the parable says lets inspect it futher. Behold Israel.Israel became a nation,for the first time since Christ's time on May 14,1948 (U.N ratified 1947)NationsThese are the nations that the bible says exsist in the end timesGenerationWhat Generation is it speaking of? the generation that see's Israel become a Nation So we can now see that the Parable of the Fig Tree tells us that the generation that saw the 1948 formation of the state of Israel is the generation that will see the "End Time events and the return of Christ.A generation in the bible is 40 years,70 years,or 120 years.Although we can not completely rule out 120 year generation people in our day do not normally live to 120 years old so it would seem that 40 years or 70 years would be more likely however 40 years has already passed, so by process of elimination we are left with 70 year Generation. God does not say he will wait the full 70 years, only that the generation will not all pass away before the end comes.We are fast aproaching the 70th year May14, 2008 will complete 60 years of the 70 year generation.And the 70 years ends May 14,2018There is another important date that we are approaching that may shed more light on where we stand in the time line.East Jerusalem was part of the so called occupied territories untill the Six Day War of June 5,1967. When Israel finally took position of all of Jerusalam.Which completed the current day state of Israel.In June 2007 Israel will celebrate the 40 year aniversery of the possession of Jerusalam.Forty(40) is an important number in Gods word and often signifies completeness or fullness of time.kriss
I cannot put much faith in the New Testament sorry...
Because he said when he left he would return in the same manner and every eye would see him coming in the clouds dont have time to look up the verse right Now but someone else may if not I get to it a few hours .............. PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE(A Parable God tells Us To Learn)------------------------------------------------Everyday its seems we hear or see somthing else about the "END TIMES".We watch to see if God's prophecy's are being played out on the world stage.God tells us that no one knows the hour or day of the return of Christ.However he tells us we should watch and know the season,just as we know when the leaves turn colors and begin to fall,that the seasons are going to change,God tells us to watch for the season of the "End Times"Matthew 24, Mark 13 ,Luke 21, all tell us of the signs of this season,there will be false prophets,wars,rumors of wars,and earthquakesbut these things have always been so how do we know when we are supposed to start watching for this particular season? When being asked of these things Jesus gave a parableLuke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable;Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;Luke29:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selvesthat summer is now nigh at hand.Luke29:31: So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass,know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.Luke29:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,till all be fulfilledA parable is simular to a riddle meaning there is a mystery or hidden meaning in the words. It is saying more than the surface words.So what does this riddle say? It has long been understood by biblical scholars that trees represent"Nations" and the "Fig Tree" represents IsraelSo taking this into account the parable would now read:Behold Israel, and all the NationsWhen they come forth,yea shall know the season is at handSo likewise when you see these things come to pass,know that the kingdom of God is close at handI say unto you,This generation shall not pass away till all things be fufilledNow that we know what the parable says lets inspect it futher. Behold Israel.Israel became a nation,for the first time since Christ's time on May 14,1948 (U.N ratified 1947)NationsThese are the nations that the bible says exsist in the end timesGenerationWhat Generation is it speaking of? the generation that see's Israel become a Nation So we can now see that the Parable of the Fig Tree tells us that the generation that saw the 1948 formation of the state of Israel is the generation that will see the "End Time events and the return of Christ.A generation in the bible is 40 years,70 years,or 120 years.Although we can not completely rule out 120 year generation people in our day do not normally live to 120 years old so it would seem that 40 years or 70 years would be more likely however 40 years has already passed, so by process of elimination we are left with 70 year Generation. God does not say he will wait the full 70 years, only that the generation will not all pass away before the end comes.We are fast aproaching the 70th year May14, 2008 will complete 60 years of the 70 year generation.And the 70 years ends May 14,2018There is another important date that we are approaching that may shed more light on where we stand in the time line.East Jerusalem was part of the so called occupied territories untill the Six Day War of June 5,1967. When Israel finally took position of all of Jerusalam.Which completed the current day state of Israel.In June 2007 Israel will celebrate the 40 year aniversery of the possession of Jerusalam.Forty(40) is an important number in Gods word and often signifies completeness or fullness of time.kriss
I cannot put much faith in the New Testament sorry...
Well thats strange because there's nothing in the new that isn't in the old whether its not in type or fore runner the words are different but the more understand the Word the more you get they are the completion of each other. In fact you can not even fully understand the meaning of the old without the New what do you think everything god was teaching in the old was about ? for Example the sacrificial Lamb was a type the forerunner of Christ the lamb sacrificed. As I said sacrifice forgave no sin only covered it till Christ could die What do think Issac being told to sacrifice is beloved son was about ? It was show us the a type of God sacrificing his Son at the last minute there was a perfect substitute lamb/ram(representing Christ the perfect sacrificial lamb I could go on for hours but you get the picture did you read my post last week on Genesis and revelation they are the sister books of the beginning and the End look at the chartshttp://www.christianityboard.com/genesis-v...sion-t6531.html[/QUOTE]did you read my post last week on Genesis and revelation they are the sister books of the beginning and the End look at the chartshttp://www.christianityboard.com/genesis-v...sion-t6531.html
Agian quite logical responses but if Messiah completed his work on earth before his death on the cross and if these Messianic prophecies have been fulfilled as some here think whats the need for a second return? This confuses me because Messiah has been projected to return the last 2000 years and has not and I am not foolish enough to expect any one here to be able to answer that. There are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that do not fit and please temper your remarks as I have not attacked any one here. Kriss you have been quite gracious in your responses and I thank you for that.
I will take that as you don't know either.....one liners are not answers just avoiding the question.
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I give up. Thanks Kriss.
Because of conditional prophesy as the Jews didnt do certain things certain prophesy would not come to pass. All Isreal will be saved (Converted Isreal that is)
I give up. Thanks Kriss.
Because of conditional prophesy as the Jews didnt do certain things certain prophesy would not come to pass. All Isreal will be saved (Converted Isreal that is)
All the language in Revelation is symbolic. It is all mentioned in the old testament. Everyone alive at the time of its writing knew what the symbolic language meant. Thats why I have changed my thinking from the futurist view point that most people here have.So if every thing written in the New is in the old why cant you buy the New testament?
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Agian quite logical responses but if Messiah completed his work on earth before his death on the cross and if these Messianic prophecies have been fulfilled as some here think whats the need for a second return? This confuses me because Messiah has been projected to return the last 2000 years and has not and I am not foolish enough to expect any one here to be able to answer that. There are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that do not fit and please temper your remarks as I have not attacked any one here. Kriss you have been quite gracious in your responses and I thank you for that.
I dont understand your attitude you are just starting to learn and understand scripture yet you are making conclusions based on What?? your opinion of what you do not understand?? Seems quite backwatrds to me.I have explained this too you in part many parts I can not explain because you do not yet have enough knowledge in scripture to completly understand it. God has a plan. You are basicly saying because you dont know the plan it makes no sense to you its not right/true Now I luv you JJ but how arrogant is that?? Seems as though your problem is if God doesnt do it the way you think he should even though you dont get his plan he's wrong.I told you there had to be two comings so he could die for our sins why because we need to earn the right to be in his kingdom by learning to trust and love him. The problem is because we are human and all fall short there are only two ways were given that we could get to that kingdom the first in the Old testament was to follow strict rules even the Hebrews with direct contact from God and the Angels couldnt do this its not in mans nature to adhere to these strict religios rules. God knew this and divised a plan of Grace through his Son the goal never changed just the Way to get there.This is why he could not yet become KING of KINGs We havent earned it look at the World around you do you think much of the World is worthy of being in his kingdom?????????He is showing us man can not do it without God he will allow things to get worse to make this point to man. Man brought this on himself God just let it happen. I sorry if his plan isnt your plan but knowing God loves us and that we are his children and giving us his Words to guide us is called faith that is a belief in things not seen if you can not have that the problem is with you not God.He sent Christ because quite frankly without the death on the cross and repentance none of us would make it. He should be thanked and blessed for that not doubted and condemed because he offered you a better way the only way Christ.
Agian quite logical responses but if Messiah completed his work on earth before his death on the cross and if these Messianic prophecies have been fulfilled as some here think whats the need for a second return? This confuses me because Messiah has been projected to return the last 2000 years and has not and I am not foolish enough to expect any one here to be able to answer that. There are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that do not fit and please temper your remarks as I have not attacked any one here. Kriss you have been quite gracious in your responses and I thank you for that.
I dont understand your attitude you are just starting to learn and understand scripture yet you are making conclusions based on What?? your opinion of what you do not understand?? Seems quite backwatrds to me.I have explained this too you in part many parts I can not explain because you do not yet have enough knowledge in scripture to completly understand it. God has a plan. You are basicly saying because you dont know the plan it makes no sense to you its not right/true Now I luv you JJ but how arrogant is that?? Seems as though your problem is if God doesnt do it the way you think he should even though you dont get his plan he's wrong.I told you there had to be two comings so he could die for our sins why because we need to earn the right to be in his kingdom by learning to trust and love him. The problem is because we are human and all fall short there are only two ways were given that we could get to that kingdom the first in the Old testament was to follow strict rules even the Hebrews with direct contact from God and the Angels couldnt do this its not in mans nature to adhere to these strict religios rules. God knew this and divised a plan of Grace through his Son the goal never changed just the Way to get there.This is why he could not yet become KING of KINGs We havent earned it look at the World around you do you think much of the World is worthy of being in his kingdom?????????He is showing us man can not do it without God he will allow things to get worse to make this point to man. Man brought this on himself God just let it happen. I sorry if his plan isnt your plan but knowing God loves us and that we are his children and giving us his Words to guide us is called faith that is a belief in things not seen if you can not have that the problem is with you not God.He sent Christ because quite frankly without the death on the cross and repentance none of us would make it. He should be thanked and blessed for that not doubted and condemed because he offered you a better way the only way Christ.
I tell you what lets forget it cause apparently no one read the OP and now I am being accused of not accepting G-ds plan, being arrogant just to name a few. Tell you what y'all just live in your own little world I will go find a forum that I can ask a question and not be villianized for it. I cannot help if all questions do not fall neatly into the Christian format.
Second Coming of Christ - No One Knows WhenThe Second Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers. There's one guarantee: As soon as someone predicts the day or time of Jesus Christ's second coming, that prediction is wrong. Why? Simply, only God the Father knows when it will be -- Jesus doesn't even know. Jesus told His disciples: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Matthew 24:36, 40 & 42) Second Coming of Christ - Signs for Keeping WatchWe could just shrug our shoulders and casually wait for the Second Coming of Christ. However, Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D. S…Sudden. As we saw above, no one but the Father knows when. However, we do know it will take place "as lightning." Matthew 24:27 says, "For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." E…Essential. One of the foundations of the Christian faith is Jesus' second coming. It is spoken of by Jesus and many others in the Bible. Jesus will physically come again for all His believers and for His final judgment. Unfortunately, some Christian cults teach that Christ "secretly" returned already. As you read what the Bible says about the Second Coming of Jesus, it will be obvious that it hasn't happened yet. C…Christ's Final Judgment. The Bible declares that Jesus will be the final judge of the world (John 5:22, Acts 10:42 and 2Timothy 4:1). Some of the additional verses describing the second coming, resurrection of the dead, millennium, and final judgment are located in Acts 17:31, 1Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 and Hebrews 10:27. O…Obvious. There are over 6 billion people on the planet. God only knows what percentage are truly Christians, but let's use a conservative number like 10%. If this is true, over 600,000,000 people will vanish from the earth simultaneously according to Matthew 24:40. There will be no mistaking when Christ comes back for His Church! N…No One Knows When. In Matthew 24:36, Jesus said only God the Father knows when. God is outside time. God already knows every prediction regarding Jesus' return that has ever been or will ever be made. Since Jesus said that no one knows about that day but the Father, NO ONE KNOWS! Second Coming of Christ - The "D" is for "Doubters"As we get closer and closer to the Second Coming of Christ, there will be increasing and widespread doubt about whether Jesus even existed. People will also start wondering if God really exists and believers will leave the Christian faith (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, 1 Timothy 4:1-2, and 2 Peter 2:1-3). Do you think we're already seeing these signs?
Here is a verse that is soley dedicated to the second coming of christ. Acts 1:10-1110They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
Well what do you want us to say we answer your questions you say thats not the answer we give you proof you say its not proof we give you scripture you say you dont believe it where would you like us to go with this CHRIST DIED FOR YOUR SINS THATS THE ANSWER he never came as Kings of Kings yet he promises he will thats what we believe and what is written I never accused you of being arrogant I asked in a question and it said seems as though you were taking this attitude. yet you dont seem to want to take any responsablity for your own WordsI am not villinizing you I am asking you to look at yourself honestly here stop blaming everyone else because you have doubts we have tried to answer but you wont accept any answer .Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. Jhn 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Here is a verse that is soley dedicated to the second coming of christ. Acts 1:10-1110They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
great effort follower but he says he doesnt put any faith in the new testament and doesnt care how many old testament prophecys were fulfilledhis question is Why didnt he just come once the only answer we have is it wasnt Gods plan and Christ needed to die for our sins there is no other answer
Here is a verse that is soley dedicated to the second coming of christ. Acts 1:10-1110They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
great effort follower but he says he doesnt put any faith in the new testament and doesnt care how many old testament prophecys were fulfilledhis question is Why didnt he just come once the only answer we have is it wasnt Gods plan and Christ needed to die for our sins there is no other answer
oh...well if anyone who does trust in the NT and wants to know where the second coming is mentioned, there you go.
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Jerusalem Junkie;45091]According to this there is no Second Coming and its a bit confusing to say the least especially since if you look at it none of these have been fulfilled.[/quote]Hi Yerushalim Junkie [aka Two] said:
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Need more. Christians say one thing, Jews say another and every religion in between as a different version some where. Now some one is wrong? But who? I have had the feeling for weeks now that some one is trying to tell me something though I do not know what it is or where I am suppose to go with it...and no I do not think its G-d I am not that gulliable.
Regrettably such is indeed the case. Perhaps it is a matter of both sides containing some truth yet neither side having the whole of aletheia.Again, I will leave you with Jeremiah 6:16 'akhi.
Need more. Christians say one thing, Jews say another and every religion in between as a different version some where. Now some one is wrong? But who? I have had the feeling for weeks now that some one is trying to tell me something though I do not know what it is or where I am suppose to go with it...and no I do not think its G-d I am not that gulliable.
Regrettably such is indeed the case. Perhaps it is a matter of both sides containing some truth yet neither side having the whole of aletheia.Again, I will leave you with Jeremiah 6:16 'akhi.
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