"O Canada.."

[bbyrd009]

guess we're talking about #3 here today;
those of us who are not now obsessed with me anyway

 

[Taken]

Someone is obsessed with themselves and fascism.

Is this OP still about Canada?

 

[Helen]

Someone is obsessed with themselves and fascism.

Is this OP still about Canada?

One wonders!!
This one always has a bee in her bonnet, and always seems to 'know' just how the rest of the world should run...



As for it being about Canada...it seems to be about her usual 'drum beat.'

 

[FHII]

Romans 13:1-7
1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Anyone here believe this is talking about oobeyingyour countries government?

 

[Helen]

Anyone here believe this is talking about obeying your countries government?

We do, we have no choice at all do we!!
The West, rich in cattle , Oil, and Wheat, have to send high taxes to Ottawa in the East.
Producers of oil, yet we pay the highest price at the pumps of all the provinces.

 

[bbyrd009]

We do, we have no choice at all do we!

not if you are going to operate in the world, as we are called to do, i guess.
one has to decide for themselves how to not be "of the world" within that framework

 

[junobet]

A lot of it sounds sad.

I can understand why a lot feel sorry for the refugees though, especially for those who had to flee countries with poorer conditions, and sometimes even fleeing persecution and coming over to Western countries for the right reason, it's a tricky one, but you know eventually people should find jobs.

There's a reason why the immigration systems are in a mess at the moment though, the Canadian government lets them in, that's not the problem though, but they let them spread their false religion when they come into the country, invite them into Churches to pray to buddha, allah, they let them perform pagan traditions and we see government people happy to get involved, and that's what can wreck a nation. It's not just a problem in Canada but also Australia, even though we have tough border laws. And that's only a fraction of the problem, that's just the immigration systems, but there are other problems, drugs, out of control youth, an increasing number of anarchists, a increasing number of wild protests, ridiculous immoral movements, and politicians allowing everything against the book of Romans, and ignoring the warnings Jesus gave of the end times. And what's the problem? They try to take Jesus out of things, and leave the Jesus out of it. And yet governments do not realize that it's such a dangerous thing to do...

What there needs to be in Canada, Netherlands, Australia, France, Belgium, is Jesus needs to be included, Jesus needs to be put 1st, they need to look to Jesus for the answers and rely on Jesus.

It seems Taken, ByGrace and I have very different ideas of what Jesus would want for our societies.

 

[junobet]

How about what "misrepresentation" means?

I’m afraid there’s a fine example of “misrepresentation” in this statement of yours:

Progressive Liberalism.
Straight out of the Commy Manifesto.
Read THAT ^ sometime, you'll see.

It seems to be a quite common misrepresentation in some US-circles. It get’s especially ridiculous when the very same people who’ve just accused Clinton of being a commie, go on to claim that she’s in bed with wall-street.

However, I was just about to defend you against bbyrd's accusation of fascism, which I found over the top. But then I read this statement of yours, that got me worried:

Liberalism is a Mental problem.

You are aware that democracies live of people having differing opinions and exchanging rational arguments? Ideally in order to reach compromises and common goals?

Not speaking about you, but generally about political developments in the US and elsewhere: fascism is certainly on the rise again. If things proceed much further in the way they do, Plato might be proven right again in that populist democracy leads to tyranny.

 

[amadeus]

It seems Taken, ByGrace and I have very different ideas of what Jesus would want for our societies.

All of us who come short of where Jesus was and is, have very different ideas on the subject, but...

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

So then each of us can say that we really just want to do what Jesus would do? But, do we? Someone who has already overcome all of the world as it stands between him and God really does want exactly that [do what Jesus would do], but who among us is really at that point? What was it Jesus said?

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7

Seems to be lots of stones being cast so that must mean all of those stone throwers are sinless... hmmm?

 

[Taken]

It seems Taken, ByGrace and I have very different ideas of what Jesus would want for our societies.

I agree, different.

You feel sorry for men in turmoil in their own land, being displaced, called refugees.

And, that is not different. I also can feel sorry for them, and have compassion on their circumstances.

You seem to feel, Jesus would like an obedient "society".

The fact is; that doesn't exist. Nor will it, until Christ Jesus returns.

While you expose, what Jesus would like, I expose what Jesus SAID, and EXPECTED and is RESULTED.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I AM COME to GIVE peace on earth?
I TELL YOU, Nay; but rather DIVISION.

Jesus directs us to love all men...
That is ONLY accomplished, BY men WHO have His indwelling POWER.

Jesus directs us to have compassion.
Not a hard feat, to feel sorry for another's circumstances.

Jesus directs us ( INDIVIDUALS ), to be helpers, charitable, from our Heart.....
NOT out of compulsion, force, grudging, and
NOT out of need.

2 Cor 9:7
Every man ACCORDING TO "he" purposed in his heart, so let him give;
NOT grudgingly,
OR of necessity.

You seem to propose Society of Men, should dictate, WHO should "give", to others, as a NECESSITY.

I favor what the Lord teaches.
That He purposes in my heart, to give to others, be charitable to others....
NOT out of Necessity, and Certainly NOT because MEN IN and OF the World dictate, it MUST be done AND accomplished BY FORCING Men to PAY for WHAT men IN and OF the World dictate.

So, yes, I agree, we differ.

Some people esteem the direction of men, and some people esteem the direction of the Lord.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I’m afraid there’s a fine example of “misrepresentation” in this statement of yours:

It seems to be a quite common misrepresentation in some US-circles. It get’s especially ridiculous when the very same people who’ve just accused Clinton of being a commie, go on to claim that she’s in bed with wall-street.

The WORD "commie" "communist" is unflattering. It has been replaced with a new term; SOCALIST PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL, whose AGENDA mirrors the Communist Manifesto. And not to be confused, just as there were Communists in the US years ago, there still is a Communist Party, to whit, many members of our Congress are members.

IOW, the NAME TAG changes, but the IDEOLOGY is the Same.

However, I was just about to defend you against bbyrd's accusation of fascism, which I found over the top. But then I read this statement of yours, that got me worried:

Why...? Did you READ anything I wrote supporting Mussolini's OWN foundation of Fascim...as "HE DEFINED fascism....the gov't being supreme, the gov't should rule the World, the Gov't is always right?"

No, you didn't!

You are aware that democracies live of people having differing opinions and exchanging rational arguments? Ideally in order to reach compromises and common goals?

A plain to the point DEMOCRACY, is MAJORITY RULES. And is thus, a tyranny of the MAJORITY.....and the MINORITY suffer.

And PRECISELY WHY, the Founders of America, REJECTED establishing a DEMOCRACY form of Government and INSTEAD established a Constitutional REPUBLIC form of Government.

Not speaking about you, but generally about political developments in the US and elsewhere:

fascism is certainly on the rise again.

Absolutely it is:....called by Communism, Fascism, Progressivism, Liberalism, Socialism.....THEY ALL favor and attempt to foster and promote....the Government is Supreme, the Government should OWN EVERYTHING, the people should Work and give what they accumulate TO the Government, and the Government should QUALIFY, TO WHOM, and What shall be doled out to the People. And of course, THOSE "running" the Government, should receive the Luxury prizes of Comfort, EXCEPTING themselves, from what applies to the People at Large....(IOW, modern day Pharisees).

If things proceed much further in the way they do, Plato might be proven right again in that populist democracy leads to tyranny.

The FAVORED point in a Democracy, that the founders of America, instituted, was about VOTING. Many styles of government, that have been historically popular, WERE BLOOD-LINE "entitlements", to sit in a SEAT OF POWER.

THE FOUNDERS, objected to blood-line entitlements, thus favored that point in a Democracy, that the PEOPLE, would choose BY Vote. And even that had specific conditions....of WHO could be lawfully Voted FOR, and WHO could lawfully Vote.....and such Elected person Would NOT be a RULER, but rather a SERVANT, who is a representative of an established OFFICE, doing the LIMITED things, that OFFICE had Authority to do, According to the Constitution.

And nearly every measure, so instituted within the LIMITS of the US Constitution, has been SUPERSEDED, by corrupt men positioned in Offices of the US Governement.

And sadly MOST Americans are completely Ignorant of the Constitution, and are generationally conditioned to solicit the government to be their life-long mommy and daddy caretaker.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

All of us who come short of where Jesus was and is, have very different ideas on the subject, but...

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

So then each of us can say that we really just want to do what Jesus would do? But, do we? Someone who has already overcome all of the world as it stands...

And that is the STRUGGLE, the DILEMMA, OF the OP, and what I have spoken to regarding the US, and what is effecting Australia and the whole world.

The MAJORITY is not Saved and Born Again, nor give a rip about putting the Lord First, Yet, those Saved and Born Again, ARE, subject to the Lord First, and Governements Authorities Second, and sometimes reversed, BECAUSE, Government Authorites, make the laws, govern the laws, sit on benches judging, and wield out Consequences. And thus MEN fear, the Power of what a corrupt Government CAN DO, and DOES.

And we have the oh, oh, oh, yes, yes I believe....and at every Turn revealing they do not TRUST the Lord, and endlessly, solicit the Government, even demanding the Government BE their LIFE-LONG Master.

Too bad, they do not KNOW, the government is not R vs D, but rather corrupt Politicians vs the People. And the more People that are willing the Government BE their Master, the more those who have become Subjected to Christ, are landed in the spot, of no where to go, that corruption is not infiltrated into World Governments.

And it is all prophecy unfolding before our eyes. A world government for which the anti-Christ shall seat himself.

Praise God,
God Bless,
Taken

 

[FHII]

We do, we have no choice at all do we!!
The West, rich in cattle , Oil, and Wheat, have to send high taxes to Ottawa in the East.
Producers of oil, yet we pay the highest price at the pumps of all the provinces.

Well my point was that Romans 13 isn't talking about governments of men. Its talking about God's government.

 

[JPPT1974]

God owns everything indeed. You are right!

 

[amadeus]

And that is the STRUGGLE, the DILEMMA, OF the OP, and what I have spoken to regarding the US, and what is effecting Australia and the whole world.

The MAJORITY is not Saved and Born Again, nor give a rip about putting the Lord First, Yet, those Saved and Born Again, ARE, subject to the Lord First, and Governements Authorities Second, and sometimes reversed, BECAUSE, Government Authorites, make the laws, govern the laws, sit on benches judging, and wield out Consequences. And thus MEN fear, the Power of what a corrupt Government CAN DO, and DOES.

Herein is the problem for those who have been believers when they are not in close communication with God every day and even every moment. Our first allegiance must be to God, but we are paying more attention to men and men's government how are we to know what God wants from us in this moment. Remembering what happened to us yesterday or what we did yesterday may be useful, but the basis for our decisions today should our communication with God today.

And we have the oh, oh, oh, yes, yes I believe....and at every Turn revealing they do not TRUST the Lord, and endlessly, solicit the Government, even demanding the Government BE their LIFE-LONG Master.

Too bad, they do not KNOW, the government is not R vs D, but rather corrupt Politicians vs the People. And the more People that are willing the Government BE their Master, the more those who have become Subjected to Christ, are landed in the spot, of no where to go, that corruption is not infiltrated into World Governments.

And it is all prophecy unfolding before our eyes. A world government for which the anti-Christ shall seat himself.

Praise God,
God Bless,
Taken

Give God the glory always and always be listening to His voice first above all other voices.

 

[junobet]

I agree, different.

You feel sorry for men in turmoil in their own land, being displaced, called refugees.

And, that is not different. I also can feel sorry for them, and have compassion on their circumstances.

You seem to feel, Jesus would like an obedient "society".

The fact is; that doesn't exist. Nor will it, until Christ Jesus returns.

While you expose, what Jesus would like, I expose what Jesus SAID, and EXPECTED and is RESULTED.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I AM COME to GIVE peace on earth?
I TELL YOU, Nay; but rather DIVISION.

Jesus directs us to love all men...
That is ONLY accomplished, BY men WHO have His indwelling POWER.

Jesus directs us to have compassion.
Not a hard feat, to feel sorry for another's circumstances.

Jesus directs us ( INDIVIDUALS ), to be helpers, charitable, from our Heart.....
NOT out of compulsion, force, grudging, and
NOT out of need.

2 Cor 9:7
Every man ACCORDING TO "he" purposed in his heart, so let him give;
NOT grudgingly,
OR of necessity.

You seem to propose Society of Men, should dictate, WHO should "give", to others, as a NECESSITY.

I favor what the Lord teaches.
That He purposes in my heart, to give to others, be charitable to others....
NOT out of Necessity, and Certainly NOT because MEN IN and OF the World dictate, it MUST be done AND accomplished BY FORCING Men to PAY for WHAT men IN and OF the World dictate.

So, yes, I agree, we differ.

Some people esteem the direction of men, and some people esteem the direction of the Lord.

God Bless,
Taken

No, it's not a hard feat to feel compassion. The hard bit starts where you act on it. Many here seem to think all we've got to do is to await the second coming with our hands folded. They might be in for a surprise when being called out for not having been a good worker in His vineyard.

 

[junobet]

The WORD "commie" "communist" is unflattering. It has been replaced with a new term; SOCALIST PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL, whose AGENDA mirrors the Communist Manifesto. And not to be confused, just as there were Communists in the US years ago, there still is a Communist Party, to whit, many members of our Congress are members.

IOW, the NAME TAG changes, but the IDEOLOGY is the Same.




Why...? Did you READ anything I wrote supporting Mussolini's OWN foundation of Fascim...as "HE DEFINED fascism....the gov't being supreme, the gov't should rule the World, the Gov't is always right?"

No, you didn't!



A plain to the point DEMOCRACY, is MAJORITY RULES. And is thus, a tyranny of the MAJORITY.....and the MINORITY suffer.

And PRECISELY WHY, the Founders of America, REJECTED establishing a DEMOCRACY form of Government and INSTEAD established a Constitutional REPUBLIC form of Government.





Absolutely it is:....called by Communism, Fascism, Progressivism, Liberalism, Socialism.....THEY ALL favor and attempt to foster and promote....the Government is Supreme, the Government should OWN EVERYTHING, the people should Work and give what they accumulate TO the Government, and the Government should QUALIFY, TO WHOM, and What shall be doled out to the People. And of course, THOSE "running" the Government, should receive the Luxury prizes of Comfort, EXCEPTING themselves, from what applies to the People at Large....(IOW, modern day Pharisees).



The FAVORED point in a Democracy, that the founders of America, instituted, was about VOTING. Many styles of government, that have been historically popular, WERE BLOOD-LINE "entitlements", to sit in a SEAT OF POWER.

THE FOUNDERS, objected to blood-line entitlements, thus favored that point in a Democracy, that the PEOPLE, would choose BY Vote. And even that had specific conditions....of WHO could be lawfully Voted FOR, and WHO could lawfully Vote.....and such Elected person Would NOT be a RULER, but rather a SERVANT, who is a representative of an established OFFICE, doing the LIMITED things, that OFFICE had Authority to do, According to the Constitution.

And nearly every measure, so instituted within the LIMITS of the US Constitution, has been SUPERSEDED, by corrupt men positioned in Offices of the US Governement.

And sadly MOST Americans are completely Ignorant of the Constitution, and are generationally conditioned to solicit the government to be their life-long mommy and daddy caretaker.

God Bless,
Taken

I’m aware you use the term “Commie” as an unflattering one. Well, while I’m not a Commie myself, I don’t think it’s unflattering per se. Many old friends of mine call themselves that with pride and they will assure you that neither Clinton nor Sanders nor any other US-democrat comes close to reflect the views that are exposed in the Communist Manifesto or Marx’s Capital. It is plainly silly to call them communist.

Back in the wild days of my youth I was an anarchist, yet I can’t make any sense of your aversion against government. It seems as if you're just regurgitating a bunch of empty catch-phrases devoid of meaning. Frankly: I suspect if Trump had won the popular vote you’d be singing a rather different tune concerning the majority rule. Also I suspect you would not have the slightest problems with a ‘nanny-state’, when it’s not about social security but say for example about telling people which drugs they are allowed to take or how fast they’re allowed to drive .

As for fascism being on the rise: the US has a President who got endorsed by fascists and failed to condemn them, who will use scapegoating of minorities as a political tool, who is undermining an independent jurisdiction and the free press, and who calls those who won’t applaud him “traitors”. All of this sounds eerily familiar to my German ears. I don't think you're there yet, but you’d better watch it.

 

[Taken]

Many here seem to think all we've got to do is to await the second coming with our hands folded.

Many? I haven't seen one person say anything like that.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Many old friends of mine call themselves that with pride ...

Thanks for sharing many of your fiends are commies. Not an interest to me, but I'm sure Clinton appreciated their vote.

 

[aspen]

Thanks for laying it all out for us Taken.....

You make an easy addition to my ignore list

Welcome!