Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

[Soyeong]

You teach to obey the lawe of sin and death while Christianity was made free from the Mosaic law of sin and death

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly discern which law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul equated the Law of God with the Law of the Spirit by contrasting them both with the law of sin and death. I have been teaching to obey the Law of God, which is not the law of sin and death, but rather it is your opposition to obeying the Law of God that is teaching to obey the law of sin and death.

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Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

According to Deuteronomy 27-28, obediently relying on the Law of God is the way to be blessed while lawlessness is the way to be cursed, so Christ redeeming us from the curse of the law is setting us free from lawlessness so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of the law. In Titus 2:14, it doesn’t say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the Mosaic Law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify from himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to reject what he accomplished.

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

If God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to His law, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so you are not correctly identifying which law Paul was referring to. In Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of the Mosaic Law that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free.

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

It is absurd to interpret that verse as referring to the Law of God as if the Spirit has the role of leading us to rebel against God rather than the role of leading us in truth. Rather, in Galatians 5:16-18, Paul spoke about the desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which is how he described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7, so that is the law that we aren’t under when we are led by the Spirit, not the Law of God.

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, so the Law of God that teaches us to refrain from sin is not the strength of sin, but rather the law of sin is the strength of sin.

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

The fact that the Law of God brings wrath for those who refuse to submit to it is not very good justification for refusing to submit to it.

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

Paul described the law that we aren’t under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which dies not describe the Law of God, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us.

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

The Law of God is His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, so we do not need to die to it in order to do bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying the Law of God, namely the law of sin.

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin that held him captive. In Romans 7:6, we have been released from a law that held us captive, so again he was speaking about the law of sin. Verses that you interpret as referring to the Law of God should make sense for it to be referring to something that Paul delighted in obeying.

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

The Spirit has the role of leading us to us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

Jesus made us free from the law of sin and death- Romans 8:2

If you interpret a bunch of verses that are speaking about the law of sin as though they were speaking against the Law of God, then you are embracing the law of sin. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God, so again the Law of the Spirit of Life has not made us from from the Law of God.

 

[Soyeong]

5-ALL the scriptures you posted are all TRUTH.

The SUM/Completion/Purpose of Scripture for us, is to lead us to CHRIST.

So you're in favor of Christians walking in God's way, you said nothing to counter the Scriptures that demonstrates that the Mosaic Law is God's way, yet you won't agree that Christians should obey the Mosaic Law, and instead arguing that God's way has ended and become obsolete. It should not make sense to you to interpret God's word as speaking against walking in God's way.

Galatians 3:19
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made;

Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The Mosaic law was TEMPORARY = Galatians 3:21-25
But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

FAITH in the LORD Jesus Christ RISES Above the Mosaic law = Galatians 3:25
But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor/Mosaic law.

In Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so it is also true that the New Covenant does not nullify our need to obey the Mosaic Law in connection with the promise.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so turning from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is in accordance with Jesus been sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, yet it somehow makes sense to you to think that now that faith has come we are now free to return to doing what the Mosaic Law reveals to be wickedness? In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it was given to teach us how to know him, but it does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject everything he taught and go back to doing what the Mosaic Law reveals to be sin. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor and would need to go back for a remedial education.

Moreover, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God (1), in Christ (2), through faith (3), and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise (4) is directly connected with living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law are not children of God (1). In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (2). In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law (3). In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him (4).

We are not under the old covenant

In that the LORD says, “A new covenant,” HE has made the first (Mosaic law) obsolete. - Hebrews 8:13

I agree that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather we are under the New Covenant, which involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10), so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, the Mosaic Law did not become obsolete alone with it.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. - Romans 10:4

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending the Mosaic Law, but just the opposite.

YESHUA HaMoshiach is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE = no man comes to the Father but thru ME...........follow JESUS only

The Mosaic Law is God's way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus embodied the Mosaic Law by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to it, so he is the embodiment of the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father (John 14:6-7). In other words, God's word is not a different way to Father than through God's word made flesh. The way to the Father is not by rejecting His word.

 

[David in NJ]

So you're in favor of Christians walking in God's way, you said nothing to counter the Scriptures that demonstrates that the Mosaic Law is God's way, yet you won't agree that Christians should obey the Mosaic Law, and instead arguing that God's way has ended and become obsolete. It should not make sense to you to interpret God's word as speaking against walking in God's way.


In Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so it is also true that the New Covenant does not nullify our need to obey the Mosaic Law in connection with the promise.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so turning from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which is in accordance with Jesus been sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, yet it somehow makes sense to you to think that now that faith has come we are now free to return to doing what the Mosaic Law reveals to be wickedness? In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Mosaic Law leads us to Christ because it was given to teach us how to know him, but it does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject everything he taught and go back to doing what the Mosaic Law reveals to be sin. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor and would need to go back for a remedial education.

Moreover, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God (1), in Christ (2), through faith (3), and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise (4) is directly connected with living in obedience to the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law are not children of God (1). In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (2). In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law (3). In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him (4).


I agree that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather we are under the New Covenant, which involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10), so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, the Mosaic Law did not become obsolete alone with it.


In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with ending the Mosaic Law, but just the opposite.


The Mosaic Law is God's way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus embodied the Mosaic Law by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to it, so he is the embodiment of the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father (John 14:6-7). In other words, God's word is not a different way to Father than through God's word made flesh. The way to the Father is not by rejecting His word.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

 

[Soyeong]

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

What does that have to do with my post? Indeed, the only way to become righteous that is testified about by the Law and the Prophets is through faith and I have not suggested otherwise.

 

[David in NJ]

What does that have to do with my post? Indeed, the only way to become righteous that is testified about by the Law and the Prophets is through faith and I have not suggested otherwise.

Follow the Truth:

1.) the Righteousness of God
2.) apart/separated from the law
3.) the Law and Prophets point to MESSIAH

4.) the Righteousness of God
5.) thru faith in Jesus Christ
6.) to all who Believe

7 = MESSIAH= REST = PEACE = JOY = Eternal Life

Do not mix the law(old wine) which brought death, in with MESSIAH(New Wine) who Brings Eternal LIFE to all who place their trust in HIM.

Matthew 9:17
No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse.
Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined.
But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

 

[Soyeong]

Follow the Truth:

The Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142).

1.) the Righteousness of God
2.) apart/separated from the law
3.) the Law and Prophets point to MESSIAH

4.) the Righteousness of God
5.) thru faith in Jesus Christ
6.) to all who Believe

For God to be righteous means that He is a doer of righteous works and it would be contradictory for God to be righteous apart from being a doer of righteous works, so for us to have the righteousness of God means that we are doers of righteous works and it would be contradictory for us to have the righteousness of God apart from being doers of righteous works. The only way to attain the righteousness of God is through faith that we ought to be doers of the righteousness of God apart from being required to have first done enough righteous works. This is why the faith by which we are declared righteous does not abolish our need to be doers of righteous works, but rather our faith upholds it.

7 = MESSIAH= REST = PEACE = JOY = Eternal Life

Jesus set an example for us to follow of how to be doers of righteous works and in Matthew 11:28-30, he invited people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not to for people to rest from learning from it. Furthermore, by saying that we will find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but you won't walk in it to have rest and peace and joy and eternal life in Messiah. In Hebrews 4:10, we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus said that the way to inherit eternal life if by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Mosaic Law.

Do not mix the law(old wine) which brought death, in with MESSIAH(New Wine) who Brings Eternal LIFE to all who place their trust in HIM.

Matthew 9:17
No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the tear is made worse.
Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined.
But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

Jesus was being asked why his disciples were not fasting and he gave the parable of the wineskins in respond, so you are rather blatantly taking that parable out of context to make a point that has nothing to do with answering the question that Jesus was asked. Jesus is God's word made flesh, so the way to trust him is by obeying God's word, not by refusing to obey it.