Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[MatthewG]

Once one is truly Saved you are Christ Jesus body and he is your Head.
And you are of the Kingdom of God in fact ! so you can not be plucked out of his hand ?
A religious can fail, why because they have not been Saved and Bible says about the weeds of this world spring up a chock such a one who has little faith.

I remember before i was truly born again, that i had some doubt's about Jesus, i knew of him but did not know him ? and i could maybe of failed due to this world, but once i was Saved i know that is totally impossible in fact ! I know Him and when i came to truly know him it was much like Saul was called. and it was out of the blue, it just hit me ! what an experience that was.

So i do understand religious people and why they fail. For they are no one with Christ Jesus in fact, for if they were they would understand in fact.

Gotta continue in faith to abide in Christ.

May people be encouraged to abide in the Master the Lord Jesus christ.

 

[Hobie]

That is what I am trying to speak against. People who are leaders in church who say "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" lets worship and sing songs, and have light show, and some coffee and feel good about ourselves.

That stuff is a lie! A lie from the human ways of living - just believe and that is all you gotta do...

Well, Jesus spoke against that, Paul also spoke against that type of lifestyle - @marks - you seem to be missing this part because you don't understand why I am saying these things...

You can be a christian and remain in christ to the very day you die - that is all good and great wonderful but people out there can be misguided, and not taught what is truth and that is the problem. You can be fine in the world you live but however to not notice these things, or simply disregard them is immature.

Well, there is a way to unsure you are not misguided and that is to actually read what Gods Word says rather than to rely on others, one of the main issues today.

 

[MatthewG]

That is good @Hobie.

I highly recommend anyone to read and study the bible if they so are desirous of truth. Of course, not everyone is willingly to do those things, as a friend said "it's a daunting task."

There are seven books I own for help in study.

Holman Study Bible: NKJV Edition, Jacketed Hardcover 9781433605093 | eBay (HOLMAN study bible)

Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words and Greek dictionary)

NKJV Thompson Chain-Reference Bible, hardcover a great overview of the bible in a form of topics over 8,000)

Josephus: The Complete Works (Always use to be near where bibles were sold a inter-testimonial from someone who lived in the times of the apostles)

The Great Fire of Rome: The Fall of the Emperor Nero and His City 306818906 | eBay (A book picked up about Nero)

Revelations on Revelation — Shawn McCraney

Footnotes on the Book of Revelation.

shawnmccraney.com

(Just a general summary off foot notes of and on Revelation, there is a bigger collection found (Revelations on Revelation | Commentary Collection, Volumes 1-22 — Shawn McCraney)

 

[MatthewG]

Still a myth?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Still a myth?

The Eternal Salvation myth.
Ah,by any other title. Let's try some.
The, Jesus was a liar, doctrine.
The,Jesus died so to not change a thing, doctrine.

The, Atheists Slander Doctrine.

 

[MatthewG]

The Eternal Salvation myth.
Ah,by any other title. Let's try some.
The, Jesus was a liar, doctrine.
The,Jesus died so to not change a thing, doctrine.

The, Atheists Slander Doctrine.

It is indeed a myth, BlessedPeace. There is no such thing as once saved always saved. There seems to be a progression for people whom are followers of the Lord Yeshua, and they go through changes as they allow Yahavah to change them. It's not something done one time, it's a progression overtime that is continuous, until we die.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It is indeed a myth, BlessedPeace. There is no such thing as once saved always saved. There seems to be a progression for people whom are followers of the Lord Yeshua, and they go through changes as hey allow Yahavah to change them. It's not something done one time, it's a progression overtime that is continuous, until we die.

Pathetic.

Jesus came to die to take our sins that condemned us upon himself on the cross. As the last sacrifice,that unblemished lamb of God,dying on that cross altar, so to be the propitiation for our sins.

And all we need do is believe his sacrifice was,is,worth the rest of our life. Because as he said, of all that the father gives him he shall lose none.

Woe, therefore to all,any,who insist that is a lie. Which is what you and others like you do.

Because those false teachers totally ignore the passages that says, we who are eternally redeemed and Saved in Christ,do not make a habit of sinning. For if we do, we never knew him.

False doctrine advocates claim we are not eternally saved, because false teachers claim we have to work to stay saved . They are actually admitting we are saved, while they deny Jesus died to insure we are eternally secure.

How sad for them.

 

[MatthewG]

Why is it you do not believe that sole responsibility is on the person who either chooses to live a life for God, or walk away from a life that is filled with God? I never read Jesus saying "Believe on me one time, and say a prayer, and go on about your own life", I have read though "pick up your own cross, and follow him." Is that not a lifetime journey? @BlessedPeace. I did not read what you had wrote, just sort of skimmed.

 

[Wrangler]

The Eternal Salvation myth.
Ah,by any other title. Let's try some.
The, Jesus was a liar, doctrine.
The,Jesus died so to not change a thing, doctrine.

The, Atheists Slander Doctrine.

Pathetic.

Yup. Pathetic that you discard the words of God in favor of manmade doctrine.

If OSAS was true, Jesus would have no need to tell anyone "go and sin no more" for sin would lose its sting. Yet, our Lord did say this because OSAS is not true, which means ongoing sin threatens us gravely.

Undoubtedly, you will resort to Circular Reasoning or personal attack than come to accept the truth.

 

[MatthewG]

From my recollection, though this was during the time before his return, that the people were taking communion of the Lord in remembering his death, burial, resurrection, and ascending. That is a remembering, a constant reminder of what has been accomplished, and the accomplishment which would come in his return to get his bride in that day.

It seems that is a daily choice to have bring Yahavah into ones life or not. Sometimes there are days where it seems I do not pray, there is a lot of reasons for this, but there are sometimes I pray more than normal on other days. Not that my prayer makes me any better than anyone else, its just a free choice to either invite YAhavah into ones life, or not.

When it comes to completely walking away from Yahavah, and not brining him into my life at all, and I stop believing, how am I saved anymore? Does not the holy spirit leave me, considering I am no longer caring for God as he is, nor his son, and deem it all Evil, Null or Void and search for other things and wisdom that comes from the world?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Yup. Pathetic that you discard the words of God in favor of manmade doctrine.

If OSAS was true, Jesus would have no need to tell anyone "go and sin no more" for sin would lose its sting. Yet, our Lord did say this because OSAS is not true, which means ongoing sin threatens us gravely.

Undoubtedly, you will resort to Circular Reasoning or personal attack than come to accept the truth.

Personal attack is exampled by those who assail the sacrifice of Jesus and insist it was all for nothing. And his Gospel was a myth.

 

[MatthewG]

@BlessedPeace, there are many people who are lied to and unfortunately taught by respected members of people behind a pulpit desk but they are not God. That is why it is important to seek and search for truth, and even if the truth shocks our feelings, we are to give into truth rather than ones own feelings. In my opinion. Im not saying that the Gospel was a myth, nor do I believe Jesus and his death, burial, and resurrection was all for nothing.

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[Wrangler]

Personal attack is exampled by those who assail the sacrifice of Jesus and insist it was all for nothing.

Nope. No one is saying Jesus sacrifice was for nothing. In logic, this is called a Strawman.

The only reason to fight a scarecrow is because your position is not strong enough against an actual argument.

To demonstrate how you are projecting, your position boils down to "If you don't agree with me, then you are <INSERT INSULT HERE>.

 

[Taken]

Once saved, always saved is a myth.

A BOLD, yet FALSE CLAIM.

 

[MatthewG]

How is a person saved, and always saved @Taken?

There are four definitions I see for saved,

Saved from disease illness / cast out demons (when Jesus heals others)
Saved from sin,
Saved from death, sin, Satan, hell.
Saved from the wrath of God (coming upon the generation at the time)

Those first four are saved from,

A fifth definition I would suggest is being saved to the Kingdom Heaven. Which is from a person deciding to believe and have faith, and seeking Yahavah in spirit and truth.

I believe everyone is saved from, sin, death, Satan, hell, and the wrath of God today.

But not everyone is saved to the Kingdom of God, that is by faith.

How does one stay in faith? To be saved to the Kingdom of Heaven? It’s not that a person doubts God or anything like that. It’s the person who decides to go against Yahavah all together, even suggesting that God is evil, and the Holy Spirit is evil, and or have no desire to do anything with God period in their life that will no see forgiveness in this life or the next.

So is a person who walks up to another on the street and get people to say the name Jesus, a person who is once saved always saved? Because of a prayer? Maybe, but if the hearts not in the right space, perhaps it was just a one time thing and nothing more afterwards?

How does that make sense, to say once saved always saved as a false hope. Because the narrative is not suggesting a person is no saved to the kingdom and not having God reside in them. The narrative is saying, not everyone is saved to the Kingdom. So just suggesting to a person they are saved forever on a lake one day may not mean anything at all; when they go on and just have no more interaction with God: perhaps they never cared? Or never desired to be concerned with the things of God even with your nice suggest and praying with you.

And if a person of faith walks away from faith. The notion of being saved forever was a lie as well. Concerning whether people are saved to the Heavenly Kingdom or not.

That is why it is said, “workout your own salvation,” not “workout the salvation of others.” Though you may encourage all you like.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Nope. No one is saying Jesus sacrifice was for nothing. In logic, this is called a Strawman.

So,you also dont know what strawman in debate is defined as.

No straw man. Blasphemy? Yes. False teachings? Absolutely.

Anyone who teaches Jesus did not bring eternal irrevocable Salvation is a liar.

And God's word proves that.

 

[MatthewG]

@BlessedPeace, will you answer my question on post 228.

Why is it you do not believe that sole responsibility is on the person who either chooses to live a life for God, or walk away from a life that is filled with God? I never read Jesus saying "Believe on me one time, and say a prayer, and go on about your own life", I have read though "pick up your own cross, and follow him." Is that not a lifetime journey? @BlessedPeace. I did not read what you had wrote, just sort of skimmed.

 

[MatthewG]

I had the thought one day though, is this life worth serving God or not. My decision was a Yes. I sat and really contemplated for the whole 3 minutes thought that came over me.

 

[Taken]

How is a person saved, and always saved @Taken?

There are four definitions I see for saved,




I believe everyone is saved from, sin, death, Satan, hell, and the wrath of God today.

WHY? The majority of people do not BELIEVE IN the Lord God….WHERE does Scripture teach, God saves men who have freely chosen to REJECT Him?

But not everyone is saved to the Kingdom of God, that is by faith.

Wait…you think everyone IS SAVED from hell, but every is NOT Saved by Faith?

What do you think happens to the SOULS, not SAVED by FAITH?

So is a person who walks up to another on the street and get people to say the name Jesus, a person who is once saved always saved? Because of a prayer? Maybe, but if the hearts not in the right space, perhaps it was just a one time thing and nothing more afterwards?

Saying the name Jesus is not HOW a man becomes Saved….any more than you saying the name of your bank is how you agree to the terms of a loan.

How does that make sense, to say once saved always saved as a false hope.

The SAVED do not HOPE for what they already have.

Because the narrative is not suggesting a person is no saved to the kingdom and not having God reside in them. The narrative is saying, not everyone is saved to the Kingdom. So just suggesting to a person they are saved forever on a lake one day may not mean anything at all; when they go on and just have no more interaction with God: perhaps they never cared? Or never desired to be concerned with the things of God even with your nice suggest and praying with you.

There ARE men who DO NOT BELIEVE…
They ARE NOT SAVED.

There ARE men who DO BELIEVE…
BUT are NOT SAVED.

There ARE men who DO BELIEVE and ARE SAVED.

I think you know not the difference between a Believer (who CAN stop believing) and a CONVERTED Believer (who CAN NEVER stop believing)….and they who are OSAS.

And if a person of faith walks away from faith. The notion of being saved forever was a lie as well. Concerning whether people are saved to the Heavenly Kingdom or not.

Belief is NOT a commitment, they are not saved, and CAN walk away any time they choose.

Commitment of one’s BELIEF, IS A COMMITMENT, and CAN NOT WALK AWAY…osas.

That is why it is said, “workout your own salvation,” not “workout the salvation of others.” Though you may encourage all you like.

That is true for a believer….get to getting and make a commitment!

 

[MatthewG]

@Taken, I just simply desire to know the question, how is a person once saved, and always saved? Your responses on the previous post does not help me in anyway.

God had a commitment with Israel, then divorced her. Can man do the same with Yahavah? Is there irresistible grace? Some say there is no way a committed believer would ever renounce Jesus, well I hate to as much as we like to think that, it’s not always true. Because people can.

I’ve had the thoughts as a committed believer and follower of Yeshua and throwing it all away in the course of three minute train of thought.