Once Saved Always Saved

[Taken]

You tell unbelievers to get born again, not to keep believing. The exhortation to keep believing is written to believers, not unbelievers.

Half answer, that avoids the "UNDERSTANDING."

The exhortations to KEEP BELIEVING is written TO BELIEVERS....
"WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED"

Why DIVERT the OP "which IS about the SAVED"...IE "THE CONVERTED"...TO THOSE "WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED" ?

 

[Corlove13]

O

The blood of Jesus saved us, 2000 Yrs ago.
The application of this Blood Atonement, happens the instant we "believe on the Lord".
So, being born again, is proof of Salvation and its proof that you have eternal life.
To "walk in Him" isn't about being good, but rather its about having the right type of faith that IS to walk in Christ.

All sin is gone, as it was resolved by Jesus.
What isn't resolved, is how we learn to exist in the right mind.
We are accountable for this situation, which is why we are told to "renew" our mind.
This is our part.

I believe you have good intent in your explanation. But we must be saved from the penalty, presence, and power of sin.

Which I hope to discuss...in about an hour...

 

[Corlove13]

Half answer, that avoids the "UNDERSTANDING."

The exhortations to KEEP BELIEVING is written TO BELIEVERS....
"WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED"

Why DIVERT the OP "which IS about the SAVED"...IE "THE CONVERTED"...TO THOSE "WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED" ?

No, Christ is are food we are to eat from everyday

 

[Corlove13]

O

Agreed - as long as one stays obedient.

For some reason, you are not taking any responsibility for obeying the many commands given to believers and the many verses that say failure to obey is death, that lip service is insufficient.

True all we have to do is turn to Israel...and look at what they did...to learn this

 

[Wrangler]

And if you didnt repent of your works of the flesh, you are still just as born again as you were when you were a LOST sinner, and God saved you from your sin.

So goes OSAS doctrine. Yet, you reject universalism.

I’ll go with what the Bible says, generally, and Jesus, in particular.

Romans 6:12
The Voice

12 Don’t invite that insufferable tyrant of sin back into your mortal body so you won’t become obedient to its destructive desires.

 

[Behold]

O

My answer was after my question...
It is a passage in the Bible....
1 John 1:7
Yes He keeps us saved but how?

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Ignore the comma.
The comma is spinning your head.
Read it like this.., as if its 2 sentence, independent, and then you'll understand the meaning.
See. what happens sometimes is that commas are inserted and this can lead to a person connecting a verse, to a previous, that isnt to be connected doctrinally or even theologically.

Like this....

1. if we walk in the light, we have fellowship with one another.

Now,
read this a its on sentence, its on idea.


and then, do the same with this.....

2. And the blood of Jesus, cleanseth us.. from all sin.

See, you are reading them as connected, as ONE idea, and they are not.
They are 2 ideas.
The first.

If we walk in the light, as HE< is in the Light.
so, that is ...if we all have the same MIND< as the Mind of Christ., as THAT is the light. And when we all BELIEVE the same, we have perfect fellowship with one another.

Now, stop.
That is one idea, and understanding

Now to the next..

And the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
That is not connected to having a mind or walking in light.
That sentence is connected to the FACT that all the born again, are always cleansed from ALL ALL ALL sin.
Not only what you remember to confess.

 

[Behold]

So goes OSAS doctrine. Yet, you reject universalism.

You have the issue with a wrong understanding of OSAS.
I realize that explaining it to you again, 25 more times is not going to help you.
That's on you.

Also, universalism, is partly true, and it this.....John 3:16.
So, the OFFER of SALVATION is universal, but the application isn't.
God only apples the Blood Atonement, when you BELIEVE.

 

[Taken]

BELIEVING- IN God, In Jesus IS the Christ...
God IS "WITH" that person
This person MAY AT ANY TIME, STOP BELIEVING;
"IF" the person STOPS BELIEVING;
God will "NO LONGER BE "WITH" that person

"HEARTFUL CONFESSING BELIEF"- IN God, In Jesus IS the Christ...
God IS "WITH" and "IN" that person.

ONCE God is WITH "AND" IN that person, IT IS FOR EVER, BY Gods Power.

Yes, Gods Spirit CAN LEAVE an "UNCONVERTED" Believing person WHO STOPS BELIEVING.

Gods Spirit CAN NEVER LEAVE, a CONVERTED PERSON.
A CONVERTED PERSON, CAN EVER STOP BELIEVING.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED "ONLY" APPLIES TO A CONVERTED PERSON.

People who REJECT "OSAS"...DO NOT comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
God WITH a man.
And
God WITH "AND" IN a man.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why DIVERT the OP "which IS about the SAVED"...IE "THE CONVERTED"...TO THOSE "WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED" ?

You're the one doing that, not me! The converted are exhorted to keep believing. You're the one saying the unbelieving unconverted 'believers' are the ones being exhorted to keep believing.

 

[Taken]

No, Christ is are food we are to eat from everyday

The crux pertaining to the OP hangs on the difference between;
*God WITH us.
Or
*God WITH and IN us.

 

[Behold]

BELIEVING- IN God, In Jesus IS the Christ...
God IS "WITH" that person
This person MAY AT ANY TIME, STOP BELIEVING;
"IF" the person STOPS BELIEVING;
God will "NO LONGER BE "WITH" that person

Edited.

Thx

 

[Corlove13]

The crux pertaining to the OP hangs on the difference between;
*God WITH us.
Or
*God WITH and IN us.

 

[The Parson]

One thing is sure, Jesus never knew them.

Another is that they were evil doers.

Tong
R3207

Well said my friend...

 

[Corlove13]

I actually believe it's the difference between what comes first... how people view justification conversion and regeneration
And then the flow of what does come first..
is composed of God being with and in.

 

[Corlove13]

Well said my friend...

But it doesn't mean they didn't know of Him...
They did not have a relationship.

 

[marks]

Totally untrue! We have to first put in the work of actually believing. We have to first humble ourselves in truly inviting him to be our Lord and Savior. Here is where your contradiction is revealed. We can undo our own work that is a prerequisite to salvation.

Here's what I'm saying.

John 1:11-13 KJV
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

When we choose to receive Jesus, believing in His Name, then God does something, begetting us, a new creation. We don't birth ourselves, that is entirely from God, as He knows our heart towards Him, if we have believed Him.

After we are born from God, what is it that we would undo? Having received Him? Having believed in Him? Now we are born of Him. We're competely past that point in time, and we've become new creations, sharing God's Own nature, with His commitment to us to keep us safe unto an eternal salvation.

Only undoing our rebirth would change that, but God has given many assurances that this doesn't happen, that the end is sure for those who have believed and are reborn.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

We know we will be like Him. We know this.

But here's the really important part for now, today. He who has "This hope" in him purifies himself. Knowing that we will in fact be like His is what causes us to purify ourselves now, in this life, today.

The surety of our salvation is what gives us the faith to overcome our flesh in this world.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Well said my friend...

Think of it like this....

Jesus said..>>"depart from me, I NEVER KNEW you..".

See that part? Never KNEW you?

So, ask yourself.....can my name be written in the Lamb's book of life.......can Jesus live IN ME, and God live IN ME< and the HOLY SPIRIT LIVE IN ME......and Jesus not Know me?

That would be impossible.

So, if Jesus does not know you, its because you are not born again, as Jesus certainly knows you when you are "One with God and Christ".

So, those Jesus does not "KNOW", are not the born again.

 

[Taken]

The converted are exhorted to keep believing.

I Disagree.

So You Tell me "WHY" the "CONVERTED" are exhorted "TO KEEP BELIEVING"...

 

[marks]

How can you not get this?

Rudeness only makes me less inclined to engage with you.

Just so you know.

Much love!

 

[Corlove13]

BELIEVING- IN God, In Jesus IS the Christ...
God IS "WITH" that person
This person MAY AT ANY TIME, STOP BELIEVING;
"IF" the person STOPS BELIEVING;
God will "NO LONGER BE "WITH" that person

"HEARTFUL CONFESSING BELIEF"- IN God, In Jesus IS the Christ...
God IS "WITH" and "IN" that person.

ONCE God is WITH "AND" IN that person, IT IS FOR EVER, BY Gods Power.

Yes, Gods Spirit CAN LEAVE an "UNCONVERTED" Believing person WHO STOPS BELIEVING.

Gods Spirit CAN NEVER LEAVE, a CONVERTED PERSON.
A CONVERTED PERSON, CAN EVER STOP BELIEVING.
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED "ONLY" APPLIES TO A CONVERTED PERSON.

People who REJECT "OSAS"...DO NOT comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
God WITH a man.
And
God WITH "AND" IN a man.

Here is passage
John 14:23, Jesus responds by saying, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”