Once Saved Always Saved

[marks]

Post passage...
It means you have a choice...before your sin nature kept you in bondage

How is it that you now have a choice? Did you change in some way?

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

Then OSAS is a license to sin - and universalism is correct doctrine.

I really wish people would stop saying "OSAS is a license to sin".

It is 100% true that OSASers are not following a good line of Scriptural reasoning, but in many cases they have grace to live righteously--and A LOT more grace than many who reject OSAS.

 

[The Parson]

But it doesn't mean they didn't know of Him...
They did not have a relationship.

And again,,, well said...

 

[Wrangler]

There's no "license to sin".

So many contradictions ... if there is no license to sin, which I agree with, then, there must be consequences and death is the ultimate consequence.

 

[Wrangler]

I really wish people would stop saying "OSAS is a license to sin".

It accurately describes the implications of the doctrine, not withstanding your high opinion of the practitioners.

 

[MatthewG]

So what do you think about Once saved always saved?

Do you have to remain in the vine *Jesus* to stay connected with the Father?

Jesus Christ is the only way to get to the Father ~ Forever the truth of Christianity.
For Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life ~ And no one comes to the Father except through (the Son of God) - Jesus Christ the Lord -

Believer now today die with Christ in baptism of Christ Jesus death ~ A believer now today dies to fleshly way (sin- dies to sin) - Mean, hateful, greedy, jealous, hateful, murderous, lustful, non-forgiving, non-merciful. And a Believer is born again being raised again as Christ Jesus was raised by the Father. Believers are also raised again to new spiritual life now with Christ when they place their faith and make their choice to choose God over all other things, to choose Jesus Christ over all other things.

The Spirit brings forth fruits of love: peace, patience, kindness, joy, forgiveness, kindness, and the flesh dies to the things it does like being mean, hateful, greedy, jealous, hateful, murderous, lustful, non-forgiving.There is a huge difference between the spirit and the flesh that is good to understand.

Jesus Christ brings forth new eternal life to a believer, by renewing their mind, and hearts, by and through reading and learning about the Father, and the Son Of God, the Lord of Lord, King of Kings, a name above all names the Lord God Almighty ~ the Lord Jesus Christ.

Can a person walk away, and lose this? Is something possible in the life of the human who is in faith change them to a walking away from faith? Would you consider even people of their own religion, that have known for so long, they realized they were lied to and walk away hopeless? Where would the hope have to be found? Would it be the Hope of God, and Hope of the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[GracePeace]

It accurately describes the implications of the doctrine, not withstanding your high opinion of the practitioners.

Perhaps to someone who doesn't have all of the Biblical facts it may seem that way, but when you consider that the method of righteousness under the New Covenant is Jesus Himself Jeremiah 23:6, then, because they draw near to Him by trusting in Him (and do not shrink back) it makes perfect sense that they would have righteousness. Does the moon have its own light? No. The more exposed to the Sun it is the more light it has.

We are right that OSAS is nonsense, but OSAS emphasizes a critical note of trust.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

It is 100% true that OSASers are not following a good line of Scriptural reasoning, but in many cases they have grace to live righteously--and A LOT more grace than many who reject OSAS.

I believe both of my {osas} "studies follow a Good Line of Scriptural Reasoning":

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

And, thanks for your other "kind words!"

GRACE And Peace to you, Precious friend!

 

[GracePeace]

I believe both of my {osas} "studies follow a Good Line of Scriptural Reasoning":

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

And, thanks for your other "kind words!"

GRACE And Peace to you, Precious friend!

All OSASers believe they follow good Scriptural reasoning--they don't.

 

[Behold]

The exact opposite is what Jesus said in Matthew 7:21.

Look at your verse, and i'll open it for you.

Notice..

This verse, :21 of Chapter 7, happens before Christ's Cross is raised. Your verse happens before The BLOOD Of JESUS is : John 3:16.


Next.

What is the "will of God". Matt 7:21,= that if you do it, you WILL enter the KOH. ?

Now, if you do that "will", you will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.., which is a literal kingdom, whereas the Kingdom of God, is a Spiritual Kingdom.

So, to enter the Heavenly Kingdom, you do the "will of God", and to enter the Kingdom of God, you do the same "will".

The will of god, is to "believe on Jesus, whom God sent".

It is the will of God that ... 1st Timothy 2:4, everyone be SAVED.

Its the will of God that "none should perish". 2nd Peter 3:9

See those?
There are more.

And all of it, all of them....= happen after Jesus is sacrificed, which is later than Matthew Chapter 7.

So, remember a key.....some verses are not speaking to Gentiles. some verses are not speaking about right then. some verses are talking about what is GOING to happen, or what will be offered later.

And remember this key, Reader.. Notice if the verse that you are using, or wondering about, happens before the Cross, or after.
And in many cases, what was said, before the Cross was raised, was said to JEWS, and in many cases, it changed, after Jesus rose from the Dead and the world entered into the "time of the Gentiles".
So, to find out those rules, you go to PAUL, who is the "gentile apostle".

Scripture is not stagnant. God is a God of progressive revelation.
God never changes, but His dealing with MAN does change.
God changes things along the way to the END, so, you have to be careful and not get stuck in what WAS, but has now been CHANGED.

 

[marks]

So many contradictions ... if there is no license to sin, which I agree with, then, there must be consequences and death is the ultimate consequence.

Chastisement, training, is God's promise. And afterward, the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

God's promise, and He IS faithful!

Much love!

 

[Taken]

Jesus obeyed the father even unto death...

HE IS THE mark, and model

I am not talking about Jesus.
I am talking about Earthly men.

 

[Taken]

The key is first having life.....the second part looks like justification

For look at Gal 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

So now we are at Justification
And will asked How is Justified by the faith ofChrist?....brb

Not ALL men are Justified.
The difference between ... The Saved Forever and The Unsaved is the crux of the matter of;
OSAS.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The works gospel is anything that is added to the blood atonement.

Having faith is not a works gospel, lol. You're just trolling us, right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That is the self savers gospel.

Faith in Christ is a self-savers gospel? You're just trolling us, right? Lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Gal 2:16
Was one of the most interesting passages I seen...in the kjv

For....there...we learn about the faith of Christ......but it can mean the faithfulness of Christ.
That he lives forever to INTERCEED for those who come to Him.

The faithfulness of His ministry is indeed the very reason we are told to hold fast to our hope, in faith....

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23​

Christ's ministry is able to deliver you into the kingdom of God (unlike the Levitical priesthood). So don't give up on the hope you have.

 

[GracePeace]

The faithfulness of His ministry is indeed the very reason we are told to hold fast to our hope, in faith....

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23​

Christ's ministry is able to deliver you into the kingdom of God (unlike the Levitical priesthood). So don't give up on the hope you have.

@Corlove13
Christ is the faithful Israelite who God needed to fulfill His promises to Abraham and his descendants to bless mankind.

 

[Taken]

Lol, I can see how that sounds so irrational to you. It sounds irrational to you

I said nothing about you sounding "irrational" to me.

You made a statement.
I disagreed.
I asked you a question....and you answer by telling laughing and telling ME what I think.

THAT only serves as a Deflection.

The saved, believing, converted Christian is exhorted to keep believing so they do not lose the benefit of so great a High Priest and Sacrifice....

Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14

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The reason to keep believing is right there!

Now...DID YOU READ
Hebrews...Chapter 1 ?
Hebrews...Chapter 2 ?
Hebrews...Chapter 3 ?
Hebrews...Chapter 4 ?

The Speaker is Speaking AND TEACHING to men WHO are HEARING and "professing" Belief!

What does ^ THAT have to do with revealing, "THOSE MEN">
HAVING BECOME CONVERTED?

NOTHING!

(The first time YOU HEARD about God and Jesus Christ....DID YOU, immediately, Surrender your life to Him?....OR did YOU "CONTINUE HEARING and LEARNING ABOUT HIM"...?)

 

[Taken]

I actually believe it's the difference between what comes first... how people view justification conversion and regeneration
And then the flow of what does come first..
is composed of God being with and in.

God "WITH" a man Hearing/ Believing what he hears FIRST.

God "WITH and IN" a man Hearing/Believing....
And the man FREELY choosing to "Heartfully Confess his belief ... ThereAFTER.

 

[GracePeace]

Not ALL men are Justified.
The difference between ... The Saved Forever and The Unsaved is the crux of the matter of;
OSAS.

OSAS is your way of getting to the point where you trust in God; many who do not hold to OSAS have trouble getting to trust in God, but that doesn't mean they're wrong about OSAS, it just means they have trouble dealing with all of the Scriptures (they don't just dismiss certain ones).