Once Saved Always Saved

[Corlove13]

As Ferris pointed out earlier, this is milk, not solid food.

Another words what we say should be in alignment with what we do

 

[marks]

Mark -The surety of our salvation is what gives us the faith to overcome our flesh in this world.


Nope the last part is experiential, it's what is happening in Christ along the journey as We obey.....to know God is behind you because He uphold you as you walk by faith.....

This is our assurance

You simply repeated yourself.

You make choices based on what you believe. Those choices impact your thoughts and behaviors. If your choices are based on a fear of losing salvation, or the need to keep in God's good graces, this will negatively impact your walk of faith, because those things aren't faith.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If It does not totally deny why Jesus told people to Sin No More; then why did Jesus day this?

Because that's His intent for us.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

OK so to be clear, you are of the mind that this passage is NOT TRUE as written?

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

And this one?

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

So then, even though this SAYS that if you are risen with Christ, that you will appear with Him in glory, that's not necessarily true, so if you are one whom becomes unborn due to unbelief or disobedience, then you won't actually appear with Him, even though you had been died and risen in Him? Born again?

Is that your view?

Much love!

1 John also says "And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears we might have boldness and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming."

I seem to remember another passage about shrinking away...

Hebrews 10
26For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. 37For,
“Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

So, these "children" have a tendency not to "abide in Him", such that they do not "walk as He walked". Where did they go that they did not abide in Him? They went to idols.

1 John 5
21Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

Such people, sinners, will be blotted out of God's Book Exodus 32:32-33, Psalms 69:28, Revelation 3:1-5.

 

[Corlove13]

Lol, I can see how that sounds so irrational to you. It sounds irrational to you because you already have it fixed in your mind that 'believing' and 'converted' mean 'forever believing and converted'. And that you're literally incapable of seeing those words any other way.

The saved, believing, converted Christian is exhorted to keep believing so they do not lose the benefit of so great a High Priest and Sacrifice....

Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14​

The reason to keep believing is right there! Since we have such a great high priest hold fast to your confession of so great a high priest! This is so outside of the paradigm of the Osas mindset that they can not see these plain words right under their noses in the Bible.

Another words continue to be faithful

 

[Corlove13]

You simply repeated yourself.

You make choices based on what you believe. Those choices impact your thoughts and behaviors. If your choices are based on a fear of losing salvation, or the need to keep in God's good graces, this will negatively impact your walk of faith, because those things aren't faith.

Much love!

I was explained what it really is that gives assurance....living by the faith of Christ

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Another words continue to be faithful

Yep. Stay faithful and do not turn back in unbelief.

 

[Behold]

It's sad that you don't actually know what the works gospel is, and what it is not.

The works gospel is anything that is added to the blood atonement.
In your case, its self saving, by trusting in Faith, as your savior.

See, your savior is whatever you believe keeps you out of hell, ferris bueller.
In you case, you believe that "holding unto my faith", keeps you out of hell.
But in my case, i believe that Jesus has taken Hell away from me, forever, by becoming my sin and me becoming His very righteousness.
See, like all the real born again, im "the righteousness OF GOD>......IN CHRIST".

Im not anything except a New Creation in Christ.
Jesus took hell that was due me, and i received His heaven .
Im seated there right now, as are all the born again. "In Christ"

 

[Behold]

Yep. Stay faithful and do not turn back in unbelief.

That is the self savers gospel.
Trust Christ instead to get you into heaven, as trusting in faith, isn't the same thing.

 

[marks]

As Ferris pointed out earlier, this is milk, not solid food.

This whole 4000+ post thread is a total milk bath!

 

[GracePeace]

That's true, dead faith is dead faith. But I'm talking about a reborn child of God, and you seem certain that God would judge them as "not believing enough" or "not being obedient enough", but none of us are the judge, none of us know, and God has give assurances.

Much love!

The people James was addressing there were Christians, it was a call to repentance. He told them they had the choice to bring their faith to life by adding works. He doesn't claim there is such a thing as a "fake body", which ought to correspond to a "fake faith", only an "incomplete body" which corresponds to an "incomplete faith", and the way to bring the body to life is by adding a spirit to it (this will happen at the resurrection) which means they can bring life to their faith by adding works. It is a call to repentance.

 

[Corlove13]

Yep. Stay faithful and do not turn back in unbelief.

Gal 2:16
Was one of the most interesting passages I seen...in the kjv

For....there...we learn about the faith of Christ......but it can mean the faithfulness of Christ.
That he lives forever to INTERCEED for those who come to Him.

 

[marks]

Now what does it mean to bring the body into submission.....one must walk by the Spirit

My question to you was,

I'm curious, what does this mean to you, "being then made from from sin". What does that involve? It appears a few times in this chapter, though not always translated from the same word.

Much love!

 

[Corlove13]

That is the self savers gospel.
Trust Christ instead to get you into heaven, as trusting in faith, isn't the same thing.

As it is quoted....it is faith that saves but the faith that saves is never alone.

The ark was their salvation, but alone it saves no one.

 

[marks]

Gal 2:16
Was one of the most interesting passages I seen...in the kjv

For....there...we learn about the faith of Christ......but it can mean the faithfulness of Christ.
That he lives forever to INTERCEED for those who come to Him.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We believe in Jesus, and we are justified by the faith OF Jesus. Genetive Case, showing possession or source. They are the same thing, faith that is from Jesus.

If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Because that's His intent for us.

Then OSAS is a license to sin - and universalism is correct doctrine.

 

[Corlove13]

My question to you was,

I'm curious, what does this mean to you, "being then made from from sin". What does that involve? It appears a few times in this chapter, though not always translated from the same word.

Much love!

Post passage...
It means you have a choice...before your sin nature kept you in bondage

 

[GracePeace]

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We believe in Jesus, and we are justified by the faith OF Jesus. Genetive Case, showing possession or source. They are the same thing, faith that is from Jesus.

If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself.

Much love!

In Galatians, Paul condemns justification by works of the Law, but what he wants them to do instead is "serve one another through love" Galatians 5:13-14 not "just believe".

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Gal 2:16
Was one of the most interesting passages I seen...in the kjv

For....there...we learn about the faith of Christ......but it can mean the faithfulness of Christ.
That he lives forever to INTERCEED for those who come to Him.

Ok, "What MUST I do to be SAVED"?

 

[Wrangler]

That is the self savers gospel.
Trust Christ instead to get you into heaven, as trusting in faith, isn't the same thing.

The exact opposite is what Jesus said in Matthew 7:21.

 

[marks]

Then OSAS is a license to sin - and universalism is correct doctrine.

That's not what I'm saying. I don't agree with either.

Thinking in terms of "license to sin", it makes me wonder if we have in mind the same sort of relationship with God? He's my Father, I'm His child, and He is raising me. There's no "license to sin".

Much love!