FWD has also said........After the Father created His Son Jesus, He then made everything in this creation by Him.
According to FWD, Jesus isn't God....there is not trinity.
Dear CrowCross,
What I have said is Jesus Christ is mankind's God, Lord, Father, Savior and Creator. But scripture also says that God the Father is the God of Christ and that God the Father is greater than Christ.
Have you ever really read what the verses below teach?
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
2Thes 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Clearly, from these verses I have quoted above, the Trinity Doctrine has some obvious contradictions with scripture.
The verses above teach that Jesus is the
Son of the Father, that the
Father is greater than Jesus and that the
Father is the GOD of Jesus.
Looking closely at
1Cor 8:6 above, it says that there is only "one God, the Father, of whom are all things.” If all things come from the Father, then God the Father has to be the one supreme God. God does not consist of three persons as the Trinity Doctrine states.
Look at these two verses below:
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Since the First Fruits of Jesus’ harvest of mankind will someday be "one" as Jesus and His Father are "one", how can there be a "trinity"?
If we are to understand that Jesus and the Father are the one supreme God, doesn't that also make the First Fruits the same one supreme God?
If that were true, God would then be much, much more than a trinity. But, of course, that understanding is not correct.
What makes Jesus and His Father “one”?
Jesus and His Father are made “one” because the Father gave Jesus the full measure of His Spirit.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him.
For that reason alone, Jesus is said to be "one" with His Father.
And in like manner, after Christ has given the Father’s Spirit in full measure to mankind, we too, will be “one” with the Father. When that day arrives, Christ's reign will come to an end because His work will be finished and the Father will have many new sons:
1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore, the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
So who exactly is Jesus?
Scripture says that Jesus is the Son of God:
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
However, Jesus is much more than just the Son of God to mankind.
Scripture tells us that the Father, of whom are all things, created all things within this creation "
by" Jesus. That makes Jesus mankind's
Father, God, Lord, Creator and Savior.
In other words, Jesus is everything to mankind.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Clearly, Jesus is not the one supreme God
of whom are all things. Jesus is the Son of the one supreme God (the Father) and is of lesser authority. There simply is no trinity. There is only one supreme God (the Father) who has a very big family.
Joe