Eternally Grateful
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I am just asking, if I died, and am in hades. and jesus came in after I am there and offers me the gospel
who would reject him then?
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who would reject him then?
Do you mean Jesus went to tell the dead: you rejected me, so you deserve your eternal punishment in hell! Enjoy your stay here!
Eternally Grateful
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No
I think he told them he fulfilled his plan. Remember the hidden mystery was kept
However in the OT they were still saved by grace through faith. so they still had no excuse.
Eternally Grateful
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If I am in eternity future. and I know God is real and there is a heaven and hell.
would I reject God?
mailmandan
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I understand 1 Peter 3:19 to mean a proclamation of victory rather than a than second chance for salvation after death. Peter does not use the Greek word for evangelizing or sharing the good news (euangelizomai). Instead, he uses kerysso, which means to proclaim, announce decree, like a victor declaring his triumph over a defeated enemy.
Taken
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Living “IN” sin…
Without God?……………..Yes.
Stealing from neighbor…No
Killing a man………………..No
Point…
Precepts… (ie. unfavorable Behaviors Between men are Trespasses ) of one man against another man… or his property, causing harm, injury destruction, duress, etc.
Agree.
My perspective.
And what IS SIN?
That which “WAS”… “Heartful Unbelief”
By man’s power IN him.
That which “CHANGED”…”Heartful Belief”,
And Confessed to The Lord God.
Kept by Gods Power “IN” the man.
Yes many things in the Mosaic Law… were “Sins and Trespasses”… ( and peppered with Precepts, Commands, Statutes)… aside from the “Laws”.
The Hebrew / Jews were given the Mosaic Law AND agreed to abide / obey the Law.
Gentiles we’re Not given the Law.
And Jesus fulfilled those Laws.
The Do this… do Not do that…
Commands Apply to all. (Jew / Gentile)
Precepts Apply to all. (Jew / Gentile)
How to know the Difference between …
Commission of a Sin or a Trespass.
A SIN … ONLY God can Forgive.
( unbelief in Him. )
A TRESPASS … men can Forgive.
(A negative act against a man)
Why DID… Many Pharisees and Jews Call for Jesus to be killed?
Because “He Forgave SINS”.
They Citing, only God can forgive sin…
And Forgiving Sin was He making himself God.
And the consequence … was Death.
All day long men accuse men of “sinning against them…”
How can that be, if a man can not forgive sin?
Glory to God,
Taken
Dear CrowCross,
The "creation of all things" is only referring to this creation that began in Gen 1:1. And since scripture states that Christ is the Creator, this necessitates that Christ was born as the Son of God prior to this creation in eternity past. It was God the Father's decision to bless His Son (Jesus) with being the God & Creator of this present world. It is in this way that Jesus is the Creator of all things. That is all that scripture states - and as Paul says, we are not to go beyond what is written:
1Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.
You said:
You appear to be like the mormons who also claim Jesus was born.
You kinda screw with the meaning of "firstborn"....Col 1:15 “And He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....using your misunderstand of the passage to justify Jesus not being the creator of all as Col 1:16 speaks of.
I haven't even addressed Col 1:15 and you make assumptions about what I would say about it???
Here is the verse:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
The term "first born" is not referring to birth order, it is referring to Christ's preeminence over this creation.
This verse is related to this verse:
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
And this verse is understood this way:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
All things about this creation are about Christ. Christ is the Creator and He is preeminent in all things about it. Paul goes into great detail about Christ's preeminence in the next several verses that follow verse 15. In verse 18, Paul even uses the term "first born" a second time, but here it is used to show His preeminence over the church.
Col 1:15 is not a supporting verse that shows that Christ is the Son of God the Father - and that is why I don't use it as such. However, the verses below do teach that Jesus is the Son of God the Father and that is why I use them:
2Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
It is always amazing to me when a person will try to argue that a son can exist without ever having been born and that the son has existed as long a time as their father has existed. This makes no sense and is contrary to the order of things that God has established. The person will then go onto argue that a son is of equal authority with their father when scripture clearly contradicts this understanding.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God (God the Father), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, the servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
This scripture sums up the truth about Jesus and God the Father:
1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
God the Father is the one supreme God "of whom are all things". The verse then continues and identifies the Lord Jesus Christ as the one "by whom are all things". In other words, the one supreme God (God the Father) uses the Lord Jesus Christ to do the work of creation. For that reason, scripture calls Jesus the Creator.
Isa 40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
In the verses that I have presented above, notice that there is no mention of the Holy Spirit that you claim to be God and an equal member of the trinity. The reason the Holy Spirit is not mentioned is because the Holy Spirit is not God. The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit that He shares with Christ so that Christ is fully made in His likeness and image. It is in this way that God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ are "one". And after Jesus Christ shares the Holy Spirit with mankind - mankind will become sons of God and will likewise be "one" with Jesus Christ and His Father.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that makes Christ, and eventually all mankind, the children of God the Father and "one" with Him.
If you can't "see" that the Trinity Doctrine is just another false teaching of the apostate church after all that I have presented, I can't see any reason to continue our discussion. It's just not your time yet.
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Joe
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RandyDawson
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God has already equipped you. You just have not discovered that as of yet since you are still fixated on you and your troubles instead of the Lord and His promises. It's time to die to self and immerse yourself in the power and victory the new testament teaches. It's time to learn to stand on His promises choosing to be unmovable!
Prayer is not some magic formula that makes everything better. One must turn from darkness and stand up and start walking with the Lord. We must walk after the Spirit based on God's Word and it's His Word that has the power to run the devil off.
And yes there will always be challenges but once a person become skillful in the Word of God and how to use it against the forces of darkness then they will experience victory and know how to abide in Christ at all times which is the only place where victory over darkness can be found.
RandyDawson
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The Kingdom of God (righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit) has to be taken by force!
Meaning one must lay hold of God's promises refusing to allow people, circumstances, or any other thing to get them to lay down and stop standing on His promises.
Once a person does this, the Lord will start being able to give them more revelation and wisdom.
James 1:5-8
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
It's time to get the elements of communion and get off by yourself in prayer and ask the Lord for His wisdom to teach you how to abide walking in the Holy Spirit so you have a better understanding of how to live in victory in spite of things around you seemly not being that good.
Stand on God's promises and expect Him to show you His wisdom, His revelation to understand His promises and how to use them against the forces of darkness to kick their butt out!
The real problem she must explain is how can anyone dead and buried have life again from the grave once they have physically died in unbelief? Since we read that man is appointed to die once, after this the judgment.
Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Whoever dies in unbelief will live again when resurrected from the grave in an hour coming when the last hour shall come, not for living again, but to stand before the GWTJ. Once man dies in unbelief there will not be another opportunity for him to be made eternally alive.
amigo de christo
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Yet woe unto those who did hear and did reject . Notice peter says that was done for souls
who had departed long before knowing or hearing it .
But woe unto any man and woman who hears it today and rejects it . Oh i say their judgment will be
far worse than ever it was f or sodom . Its why i shun the all inclusive so called love gospel
TO the pits of darkness from whence it sprang .
A false gospel will not save . And man cannot save himself .
OH MY , LORD who then can be saved , WITH man this IS IMPOSSIBLE .
But NOT WITH GOD . And GOD and in THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD
has already determined
that by the preaching of JESUS to save those who BELEIVE . not those who reject and follow some false relgion . s
amigo de christo
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YOU darn sure wont see me argue one wee bit with this statment .
But now lets see IF you continue to hold to this truth when i make some dire reminders .
WHY am i seeing so called christains sit and indentify WITH SIN .
AND why do i see so many ot hers , rebuke men like me that correct SIN .
And why do i see rainbows in churches . UNREPENTANT sinners remain for years in the same churches
and when or if anyone tries to correct the sin
THE WHOLE church runs that man out as if he hater . saying DONT judge GOD is love .
And making excuses FOR these unrentant sinners , EVEN saying they true christains .
YOU SURE YOU GONNA STICK to this truth NOW .
I hope you do . cause your right , T HESE NON repentant sin justifying ones DO NOT KNOW GOD
CHRIST OR LOVE and are not a true convert . peroid . s
amigo de christo
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first you would marvel at how many have heard the gospel and yet rejected it . Damned they surely are .
Its not those who never heard that i would worry about
ITS those who did and rejected or lipped as if they did beleive yet followed another jesus .
And since we are on the topic of beleiving .
IF one cliams to even believe ON JESUS the CHRIST but believes not His teachings , THEY NEVER BELIEVED HIM .
And now for a dire dire warning .
IF even you , or ME , or any who cliams to BELIEVE the gospel of JESUS
suddenly gives an ALL INCLUSIVE ANTI CHRIST peace pass to the false religoins .
OUR faith IS DEAD . you see we cannot beleive and them cliam UNBELIEF too .
EITHER as a child we believe ONE must BELIEVE to be saved
OR we dont . But it cannot be both . two plus two is four . it aint three , five or whatever one thinks is truth .
NOR IS THE GOSPEL .
EIther we absolutely BELIEVE or we dont . but it wont be both on JUDGMENT day .
Oh no the blood of all them false religoins will be upon all
who partook in this anti christ ecumeincal inclusive peace plan . mark them words well sister .
Cause we cannot be a co helper to the T RUTH and TO A LIE .
we cannot be a co helper to ANTI CHRIST . You be blessed now my dear sister .
Do remember i did remind us . This sheep POINTS ONLY to JESUS and not to a harlots false love or anti christ peace .
amigo de christo
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how true my friend . but will you continue to HOLD to this
when ol amigo starts to type us up SOME reminders .
WHY am i seeing not only many christians justifying and living it up in sin
I SEE also the leaders and peoples CALLING THEM TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRSTAINS
and if anyone dares to correct such , they all run them out with the words DONT judge God is love .
And more so mail man dan . WHY its not only the true sheep they kick and cast out of their churches and call haters
BUT EVEN THE WORDS OF GOD in scripture they call hate .
DONT SOUND like THEY KNOW GOD at all mail man dan .
Sounds to me like they love another god . and that god is just fine and dandy with the sin they love .
Do i need to say why i said another god and not GOD . cause it the devil dan . the devil that many now love
and see as THE GOD and embrace his harlots love .
A love so wicked it has turned them against THE GOD , HIS WORDS , HIS CHRIST
and His gospel too . as now even korans are being kissed and budda statues
And everyone crying GOD IS LOVE and we all serve the same GOD .
WELL THEY , as in thos who do this DO serve the same god as do the false religons .
ONLY notice i said god , NOT GOD .
Is it? The angels were created by Jesus prior to the creation of the world.
The bible doesn't say Christ...the Word...was born or as you would say, created. It doesn't necessitates that Christ was born as the son of God as the Jesus being God the creator had no need to have come into existence via anyone to be the creator of the world.
If Jesus was the creator of all things like the bible says...then there was no need to create Jesus to be the creator of all things.
Dear CrowCross,
You said:
Is it? The angels were created by Jesus prior to the creation of the world.
There are no scriptures that teach that the angels were created prior to Gen 1:1. You should not go beyond what is written.
You said:
If Jesus was the creator of all things like the bible says...then there was no need to create Jesus to be the creator of all things.
There are no scriptures that support what you stated above. And as I said before, your argument doesn't even make sense - just like the trinity doctrine doesn't make sense.
It's time for me to move to another thread.
Joe
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