John 15:2,6
"Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away... If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers."
Being "in me" is grace. Remaining is conditional on abiding.
you want more examples?
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"Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away... If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers."
Being "in me" is grace. Remaining is conditional on abiding.
you want more examples?
Eternally Grateful
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and?
do you not forgive your brother? If not. why not? God forgave you everything.. why would you even think about not forgiveing someone?
Eternally Grateful
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John 15 is about bearing fruit. not about earning salvation.
Did you recieve eternal life or conditional life when God saved you?
john 1: 12. but as many as have received him, to them he gave the right to become children, even to them who believe
john 3, for god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will never perish, but has eternal life, for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
john 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that i shall give him will never thirst. but the water that i shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life”
john 5: 24 “most assuredly, i say to you, he whoever hears my word and believes in him who sent me who sent me has eternal life and shall not come into judgment but has passed from death to life
john 6: 35 and Jesus said to them, “i am the bread of life. he who comes to me shall never hunger and he who believes in me shall never thirst
john 6: 37: and the one who comes to me i will by no means cast out 38 for i have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 this is the will of the father who sent me, that of all he has given me i shall lose nothing, but should raise it up on the last day. If we eat the
john 6: 47 most assuredly, i say to you, he who believes in me has everlasting life. 48 i am the bread of life. 49 your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 this is the bread which comes down from heaven, that that one may eat of it and not die 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. if anyone eats this bread he will live forever
john 6: 63 it is the spirit who gives life ; the flesh profits nothing. the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life
John 6: 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
eph 1: 13 in him you also trusted , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,having believed you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory.
eph 2: 4 but god, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 for by grace you have been saved through faith , and that not of yourselves ; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works lest anyone should boast 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
rom 4: 3 for what does the scripture say? “abraham believed god and he accounted it to him as righteousness.” 4 now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but debt 5 but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungoldy , his his faith is accounted for righteousness
rom 4: 16 therefore it if of faith that it may be according to grace , so that the promise may be sure to all the seed not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of abraham , who is the father of us all
rom 4: 23 now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us, it shall be imputed to us who believe in him who raised up Jesus our lord from the dead , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification
rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work
2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works , but according to his own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began
titus 3: 4 but when the kindness and the love of god our savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior, 7 that having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life
Rom 3: 24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 5: 1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5: 9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
titus 1: 2 in hope of eternal life which god who can not lie promised before time began
Eph 1: 13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
do you need more scripture that says we have been given eternal life? Not conditional life?
I'm trying to look at it this way. A parent doesn't abandon his or her child when the child messes up, rather the child is disciplined. How far can a person sin to where the parents disown the child.. murder maybe depends, but in most things the child does is corrected by the parent in which the parents discipline their child, but still loves the child. It's confusing, but I'm looking at it from that angle. The only thing besides things like murder is to murder one's self which leads to hell. Other than that stuff we are children of God. How many times do i need to be born again. How many times do I question if i am a child of God. I'm confused, but I'm looking looking at it that way. Ephesians 1:13-14 "were sealed with the promise of the holy spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we aquire possession of it. " a person can disown parents for the moment being but isn't that what a child or teenager does when sinning at yet is still a their child. Disciplining them until they acknowledge their sin and ask for forgiveness. ????
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Eternally Grateful
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not to mention. John said his his epistle that a child of God can not live in sin.. so if they can not longer practice sin as they did before they got saved, how could they lose salvation?
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You should change yours, as follows -
Mar 14:21 The Son of Man indeed goes, as it has been written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It were good for that man if he had never been born.
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my church was founded by Jesus, an apostolic Church.
Your church is founded by Mr so and so!
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Okay, well, fair enough... I think you should change yours.
Right... I don't think this is saying anything about whether or not Judas is or was or would be saved. You disagree, clearly. Fair enough. Just as regards you or me, it matters not, really, what either of us thinks on this.
Grace and peace to you.
Eternally Grateful
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Your church rejects the words of Jesus.
anyway, I posts tons of scripture. either respond to them, or I am done
but this church has 2000years history and God does not say it is not Ok and interfers as he did to the Babel Tower.
Of course born-again believers are encouraged to repent when we fall. Because sin keeps us from blessings in this life, and God chastens whom He loves. No chastening is pleasant, but when we repent, God forgives us.
Catholics are known for adding their own doctrine to the Word of God.
God certainly DID say that Romanism is not okay, for centuries (and it has never been a real church, never mind the church); and, when it had become so bad that something needed to be done about it, he brought about the Reformation, which was, in some ways, like the scattering after the tower of Babel.
Salvation is of the Lord, not of man's will or works; so, of course it is eternal. We are given eternal life, not eternal probation!
John 10:25-30 (W.E.B.)
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you don’t believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, these testify about me.
26 But you don’t believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”
1 Peter 1:3-5 (A.V.)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 John 3:9 No-one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
John 10:25-30 (W.E.B.)
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you don’t believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, these testify about me.
26 But you don’t believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”
1 Peter 1:3-5 (A.V.)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 John 3:9 No-one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
so is the Catholic Church or the Protestant denominations more shattered into pieces?
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