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You have cherry picked the scripture that “ You” believe.....to be the truth.Olay thank you.
Its hard to talk about a huge chunk of scripture on here.
Im gonna just walk away now.
In regard to "faith without works is dead" James does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith, and the works are the source of life in faith. That would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree, and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. Something that is dead cannot produce anything.Faith without works is dead.
John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. John 18:9 - that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, "Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none." Jesus did not lose Judas. Judas was already lost. Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)Rita can post large sections of Scripture and pretend to think she understands it all but in the end its another person cherry picking text to push their own wheelbarrow.
John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, BUT the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
@gpresdo - how many other Scriptures will be fulfilled at the judgement seat?
Rita states NONE LOST - Scripture states One of the 12
What of the millions upon millions of Christians who are born again to Rita's requirements only to crucify the Son of God afresh?
F2F
My question is...why are some on here, denying this truth of God’s word?John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. John 18:9 - that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, "Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none." Jesus did not lose Judas. Judas was already lost. Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)
Syllogism
1. All given by the Father to Jesus are kept.
2. Judas was not kept.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father
Or, this way
1. None of those given to Jesus by the Father will be lost by Jesus.
2. Judas is lost.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father.
In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
What is Peter saying Baptism corresponds to?
because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
The ordeal of the flood is likened to the burial and death which occurs in Christ when a person is baptised in faith.
Christ is our Ark... that much is true! Those found to be in him through the probation of life can be saved!
F2F
Maybe they are very satisfied with what they already believe and don't want to be confused with the facts. Also, church indoctrination can be very difficult to escape from. It's really a pride issue.My question is...why are some on here, denying this truth of God’s word?
I have posted so much scripture on this..quite a few won’t even discuss or challenge me regarding the truth of God’s word.
That’s exactly what I said to one, it was his pride...that wouldn’t allow him to hear the word of God..I also held onto pride, thought I knew it all at one time...I learnt absolutely nothing....not until I let go of this pride that I desperately wanted to hold onto..,..God HATES PRIDE...Maybe they are very satisfied with what they already believe and don't want to be confused with the facts. Also, church indoctrination can be very difficult to escape from. It's really a pride issue.
How do we know it.People have the right to believe what they want,
However, just because a person loses faith - people say they were never saved to begin with,
how do you know that for a fact though? And who gives you the authority to say otherwise?
The gospel is not about believing you can lose your salvation. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.Hebrew 6:4-6 should teach you to drop these beliefs and return to the truth Gospel.
F2F
Mail, you are stating the obvious!John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. John 18:9 - that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, "Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none." Jesus did not lose Judas. Judas was already lost. Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)
Syllogism
1. All given by the Father to Jesus are kept.
2. Judas was not kept.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father
Or, this way
1. None of those given to Jesus by the Father will be lost by Jesus.
2. Judas is lost.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father.
Correct. Now speak to me about our probation.The gospel is not about believing you can lose your salvation. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Did you misunderstand post #164? Jesus said those whom You gave Me I have kept and have lost none. Judas is lost so he was never given or kept.Mail, you are stating the obvious!
Jesus was given Judas but he rejected his Lord...there will be many who qualify for Hebrew 6:4-6 (Judas was one such example because he didn’t heed the warnings...like Rita) As I said, anyone can say with hindsight that those saved are saved; but you do not know who will be saved and who will be lost!.
Rita certainly doesn’t know.
For now, your acknowledgement of one of the twelve being lost proves your false theory can now be discarded.
But thanks for your reply
F2F
Salvation is not probation.Correct. Now speak to me about our probation.
I guess the first question is whether you can?
Let's see.
In Hebrews 3:19, take special note of we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief. Hebrews 3:8-10 says, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said, 'They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.' Not descriptive of genuine believers. There is no loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it. Verses 18-19 - And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. That explains the hardened heart. It took them in the opposite direction of God. Considered the truth for a time, then hardened heart and departing from God became their final answer.@mailmandan @Ritajanice
Just looking for a simple answer,
Say you have a person who has been a christian for a long time, and they had a change of life and everything else, and then something terrible happens such a brother dying from cancer, or a mother being murdered but some stranger or something for example.
They start to begin to doubt, because 'how could a Good God allow something like this to happen', and they start contemplating 'maybe God is not real,' and what is happening?
Hebrews 3
15 As has just been said:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion.”[c]
16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
However, if you suggest that they were not saved anyway, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR A FACT? They may have decided to go against the grain of everything previously known, saying "F IT".
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You also have the issue of people being hurt by the Church... being lied too and what not, and that can cause a person to start to doubt.
You can't read or know someones heart... you can see fruits, but that is it.
Love to you,
Matthew
Its Acts 14:22 isn't?Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.