One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

[n2thelight]

The Second Coming is before any Trumpet. The Trumpets are Christ and God on the earth gathering the final harvest. Only after the harvest does Satan get any authority over the harvest left. Satan does not come first. God comes first. The church is caught up in the Second Coming not after all of the other harvested souls. The church was the last to labor in the vineyard, and taken out first. The house of Jacob labored in the vineyard and will be taken out as the sheep, second. The Nations themselves since Noah have labored in the vineyard, and they are taken out in the Thunders. It is a process, not a 60 second shopping spree at your local gas station for one's weekly groceries.

Then if any fruit is left in the vineyard, Satan gets that fruit. For 42 months, since Revelation tells us several times the only length in Revelation that Satan can have. Revelation 12 and 13. If Satan has not killed all of humanity, Christ will kill them at Armageddon. Then the harvest will be complete, and all of Adam's flesh and blood will be dead.

Not understanding your reasoning of scripture, are you saying Christ returns twice more ?
satan is not coming to kill and destroy ,it's by deception

Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

You must realize , it's not about flesh it's ALL about the soul

It's so many places I can go in scripture that refutes your view

Will just ask is the last trump not the 7th,and we can go from there

 

[Timtofly]

Not understanding your reasoning of scripture, are you saying Christ returns twice more ?
satan is not coming to kill and destroy ,it's by deception

Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

You must realize , it's not about flesh it's ALL about the soul

It's so many places I can go in scripture that refutes your view

Will just ask is the last trump not the 7th,and we can go from there

The 7th Trumpet lasts for an 8 day time period from Sunday to Sunday. The same week in April as the Cross. 2023 is April 2 to April 8. This 8 days gets split in half. The last 3.5 days are postponed. Satan is allowed 42 months. The 7th Trumpet covers this 42 months. The 2 Witnesses are killed on the last day. They lay dead in Jerusalem for the last 3.5 days of the sound of the 7th Trumpet. During those 3.5 days the vials are poured out, and the 6th one is the gathering to Megiddo. The 7th vial is the same earthquake when the 2 Witnesses get up and ascend to heaven. That is Sunday morning about 6am. Then between 5pm and 6pm the 10 kings give their power to Satan and all the rest of Adam's descendants all with the mark 666 show up for the battle of Armageddon. 6pm all are dead. The 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

Monday morning starts the millennium with the resurrection of Revelation 20:4.

Thus the Sunday before Satan gets his time starts the 7th Trumpet celebration and completion of Adam's punishment. It is the end of 6000 years of sin and death. If Satan is allowed 42 months the 7th Trumpet does not stop. The harvest is extended. Some humans will reject Satan still. They will reject the mark. They will have to have their head cut off to avoid the mark. The mark is the curse for going past the deadline of the 7th Trumpet. God says time is up. Satan says but wait, there are too many souls that the church failed to bring into the kingdom.

The irony, that the Jews failed, and the vinyard was handed to the church. The church today is arguing about the Covenant and the Jews, and yet the vineyard is being taken away from the church and given to Satan. The church should be focused on repentance, being humble, turning from wickedness, and bringing the lost to a point of acceptance or rejection. Too many seeds left sown in the ground and no one in this covid stricken world, seems to notice, how soon the Second Coming is. Revelation 10:5-7
"Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted his right hand toward heaven
6 and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will be no more delay;
7 on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

Verses 7 says the days of the sound. Not the days surrounding a sound. It is a very long Trumpet blast, and even longer, if the church failed in the last days during the tribulations of covid, and 25% of humanity dying from a time of great distress immediately before the 6th Seal. The same event Jesus claims in Matthew 24. Satan's 42 months in Revelation 13 is not the tribulation prior to the Second Coming. It is the 7th Trumpet event itself, that gets extended, because the church failed. The church is currently running the vineyard that the Jews had issues with at the first coming of Christ. The 6th Seal is when God on the throne and the Lamb appear, and the virtual universe of Satan is gone. The continents will go back to the single one prior to the Flood. Satan's deception will be dissolved and no human will have an excuse not to know God or the Lamb, Jesus Christ. The 6th Seal is the beginning of the Lamb on earth. The 7th Trumpet is the end, to remove the last of Adam's flesh and blood. The millennium will start out with a clear slate, like Noah had on leaving the ark. This time it will be fire that burns up every thing instead of water destroying everything.

 

[n2thelight]

This idea is plainly wrong. Even Paul said: We will not all die, although 1 Cor 15:51 is in the context of the GWT Judgment.

All the ungodly and Jesus rejecters will be gone when Jesus Returns, but the faithful people will still be alive, kept in a place of safety or will have survived the rule of the 'beast'. Revelation 13:5-8

Satan is here now, he was here when Jesus was tempted by him and he has had a great time with the likes of Hitler and the founders of all the cults we have today.

But Satan will re-animate the dead body of the world leader and will conquer the holy people. He will have power and great authority for 42 months. Then Jesus will Return and chain him up. Revelation 13:1-8
The Great Tribulation of the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls, happen during those 42 months, culminating with the 6th and 7th Bowls; Armageddon.

satan is not here ,he's in Heaven accusing all the saints ,he will not , I repeat ,will not animate some bodies body he will be him himself live and in color

The moment Christ told him to get behind me after the temptation he's been in Heaven there are two tribulations ,first one is of satan, the 2nd is the Day of the Lord

satan himself will be the leader of this one world system ,again not some dead leader but him, himself along with his angels , what part are you missing from the below
Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

 

[CharismaticLady]

Did you know that the rapture verse Paul was speaking of in 1 Thes 4 was actually a quote of Jesus' words in Matt 24 (one taken the other left)?

Actually, you have it backwards. You need to read more than one account from the three synoptic gospels so you understand the wording as the authors mean, not by what your preconceived ideas want it to say.


Took and Taken equals Destroyed

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and TOOK them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be TAKEN and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be TOOK and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Luke 17: 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.


31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

They are taken and thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Do you know that Jesus refuted any ideas of humans going to heaven?
Jesus said:
1/ John 3:13 No one has gone up to heaven, except the One who came down from there…
Jesus is talking about the things of heaven, truths that apply forever.

2/ Revelation 2 & 3;Those who are victorious over Satan and who persevere until the end, will receive the crown of Life.
They are the people seen in Revelation 6:9-14. On earth, as proved by the first 3 verses of Rev 6.

3/ John 7:33-34…I am going away to Him who sent Me and where I go, you cannot come.
A plain statement that also applies forever.

4/ John 8:21-23 Again He said: Where I go, you cannot come. You belong to this world below, I to the world above….
Our home is the earth, we are earth people and not spirits and even after the Millennium, those worthy will become immortal, but will still remain on earth.

5/ John 17:15 I do not pray that You take My people out of this world, but to keep them from the evil one.
Jesus was talking to God and what He asked applies to all Christians. Remember: we pray for God’s Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven and it will, with the New Jerusalem.


6/ Revelation 5:10 You have made them priests for our God and they shall reign on earth.
This refers to every faithful Christian, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, they shall reign on earth. That is our destiny, we never go to heaven, only our souls if we are martyred. Revelation 6:9-11

Did Paul actually go the the third heaven, or was it a vision?

 

[farouk]

I wouldn't see Matthew 24 as referring to the rapture of the church; with the strong Jewish background, more likely tribulation saints.

 

[Truther]

Actually, you have it backwards. You need to read more than one account from the three synoptic gospels so you understand the wording as the authors mean, not by what your preconceived ideas want it to say.


Took and Taken equals Destroyed

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and TOOK them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be TAKEN and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be TOOK and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Luke 17: 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.


31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

They are taken and thrown into the lake of fire.

Enoch was taken.

Noah was taken.

Lot was taken.

The 5 wise virgins are taken.

The wicked are taken?

 

[Timtofly]

Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish].

This is not entirely true. God on the throne and Christ Himself are on the earth before the 1st Trumpet. Satan will be allowed to unlock the pit, and free his angels. It will not be deception. It will be a 5 month "equal access" of Satan’s angels causing pain. During the 7th Trumpet, Satan could still get 42 months of full access and authority. Revelation 13:5-7

5 It was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months.
6 So it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh’khinah, and those living in heaven;
7 it was allowed to make war on God’s holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

We see here how long: 42 months. We see full authority during these 42 months. Those beheaded will be the ones, still found in the Lamb's book of life, verse 8.

8 Everyone living on earth will worship it except those whose names are written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb slaughtered before the world was founded.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Enoch was taken.

Noah was taken.

Lot was taken.

The 5 wise virgins are taken.

The wicked are taken?

The two verses about Noah were from two different gospels about the same thing. One uses the word "took," and the other the word "destroyed." They are interchangeable as to the meaning of who was left unharmed, and who were taken away by flood waters and destroyed.

The "left behind" series of fictional books has done more harm than good, making it almost impossible for you to compare scripture with scripture and see what is being said. And other's like you've been conditioned, go further, and add Enoch, and Elijah, and Lot and use their salvations and superimpose them onto these verses about the very opposite. The only person in these chapters is Noah, and how the evil ones are taken away.

And, yes, the wicked are taken and cast into the lake of fire against their will.

 

[Truther]

The two verses about Noah were from two different gospels about the same thing. One uses the word "took," and the other the word "destroyed." They are interchangeable as to the meaning of who was left unharmed, and who were taken away by flood waters and destroyed.

The "left behind" series of fictional books has done more harm than good, making it almost impossible for you to compare scripture with scripture and see what is being said. And other's like you've been conditioned, go further, and add Enoch, and Elijah, and Lot and use their salvations and superimpose them onto these verses about the very opposite. The only person in these chapters is Noah, and how the evil ones are taken away.

And, yes, the wicked are taken and cast into the lake of fire against their will.

Noah was not "left behind" on the ark, but removed from the judgement.

The one taken and the other left is not one taken to misery and the other left to redemption.

You think the whole thing is a rhetorical switcheroo.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Noah was not "left behind" on the ark, but removed from the judgement.

The one taken and the other left is not one taken to misery and the other left to redemption.

You think the whole thing is a rhetorical switcheroo.

I understand what is actually being said. Taken doesn't mean some secret rapture 7 years before the second coming. In fact, this is not talking about the method of being "caught up." But who will be ready when Christ comes, and who isn't and will be destroyed. So your using these scriptures to prove the rapture is not having any understanding of the context.

Matthew 25:
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 24:
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Look at verse 39. Who was surprised and the floods took them all away?

Luke 17:
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”


Now reading this as if you didn't have any preconceived ideas, look at the context and then ask yourself, 37 "Where, Lord"? Is it Where are they taken? Or, where are they left?


Does "destroyed" mean taken to heaven?

 

[Timtofly]

Matthew 24:40-41 has already happened.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Matthew 24:40-41 has already happened.

When? Are you a Preterist?

 

[Timtofly]

When? Are you a Preterist?

I do not accept any eschatology nor theology. We are 14 months into the Seals. The only thing close is pre-mill, and then only because there is a millennium.

 

[Truther]

I understand what is actually being said. Taken doesn't mean some secret rapture 7 years before the second coming. In fact, this is not talking about the method of being "caught up." But who will be ready when Christ comes, and who isn't and will be destroyed. So your using these scriptures to prove the rapture is not having any understanding of the context.

Matthew 25:
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 24:
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Look at verse 39. Who was surprised and the floods took them all away?

Luke 17:
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”


Now reading this as if you didn't have any preconceived ideas, look at the context and then ask yourself, 37 "Where, Lord"? Is it Where are they taken? Or, where are they left?


Does "destroyed" mean taken to heaven?

Eerily similar....


37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.


13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.....




Gen 7...16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in....

 

[Truther]

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


Jesus TAKES the saints, and the judgements take the sinners via the great tribulation..

Lotta "taking" to come.

 

[n2thelight]

The 7th Trumpet lasts for an 8 day time period from Sunday to Sunday. The same week in April as the Cross. 2023 is April 2 to April 8. This 8 days gets split in half. The last 3.5 days are postponed. Satan is allowed 42 months. The 7th Trumpet covers this 42 months. The 2 Witnesses are killed on the last day. They lay dead in Jerusalem for the last 3.5 days of the sound of the 7th Trumpet. During those 3.5 days the vials are poured out, and the 6th one is the gathering to Megiddo. The 7th vial is the same earthquake when the 2 Witnesses get up and ascend to heaven. That is Sunday morning about 6am. Then between 5pm and 6pm the 10 kings give their power to Satan and all the rest of Adam's descendants all with the mark 666 show up for the battle of Armageddon. 6pm all are dead. The 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

Monday morning starts the millennium with the resurrection of Revelation 20:4.

Thus the Sunday before Satan gets his time starts the 7th Trumpet celebration and completion of Adam's punishment. It is the end of 6000 years of sin and death. If Satan is allowed 42 months the 7th Trumpet does not stop. The harvest is extended. Some humans will reject Satan still. They will reject the mark. They will have to have their head cut off to avoid the mark. The mark is the curse for going past the deadline of the 7th Trumpet. God says time is up. Satan says but wait, there are too many souls that the church failed to bring into the kingdom.

The irony, that the Jews failed, and the vinyard was handed to the church. The church today is arguing about the Covenant and the Jews, and yet the vineyard is being taken away from the church and given to Satan. The church should be focused on repentance, being humble, turning from wickedness, and bringing the lost to a point of acceptance or rejection. Too many seeds left sown in the ground and no one in this covid stricken world, seems to notice, how soon the Second Coming is. Revelation 10:5-7
"Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted his right hand toward heaven
6 and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will be no more delay;
7 on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

Verses 7 says the days of the sound. Not the days surrounding a sound. It is a very long Trumpet blast, and even longer, if the church failed in the last days during the tribulations of covid, and 25% of humanity dying from a time of great distress immediately before the 6th Seal. The same event Jesus claims in Matthew 24. Satan's 42 months in Revelation 13 is not the tribulation prior to the Second Coming. It is the 7th Trumpet event itself, that gets extended, because the church failed. The church is currently running the vineyard that the Jews had issues with at the first coming of Christ. The 6th Seal is when God on the throne and the Lamb appear, and the virtual universe of Satan is gone. The continents will go back to the single one prior to the Flood. Satan's deception will be dissolved and no human will have an excuse not to know God or the Lamb, Jesus Christ. The 6th Seal is the beginning of the Lamb on earth. The 7th Trumpet is the end, to remove the last of Adam's flesh and blood. The millennium will start out with a clear slate, like Noah had on leaving the ark. This time it will be fire that burns up every thing instead of water destroying everything.

The 7th trump starts the Day of the Lord ,which is the millennium ,ie , 1000 years

Again 6 seal 6 trump 6 vial 666 is when satan will appear on this earth Christ will not return until 777

Revelation 10:1 "And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:"

Revelation 10:2 "And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,"

This is a vision given by Jesus to John about this mighty angel. The fire did not burn the little book, and in most cases, fire indicates the burning of the Spirit of God. This is a cleansing fire that comes upon the whole earth. For the key to understanding what is burned upon the earth, we go to II Peter 3:10; "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements [evil rudiments] shall melt with fervent heat,"

Those "elements" are the "rudiments of all evil", for all of Satan's works and evil deeds will be gone. God's children shall not be touched. God's wrath will only directed towards his enemies.

Revelation 10:3 "And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered, and write them not."

Revelation 10:4 "And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not."

What ever those seven thunders uttered, it is not recorded for us to know.

Revelation 10:5 "And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,"

Revelation 10:6 "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

The angel swore by Almighty God. The thunders covered the full cycle of all events about to happen, but the angel is announcing the close of this earth age: This earth age is over and finished.

The seven seals took us to the end of this earth age, the age where man lives in the flesh body. The earth continues on into eternity, but man no longer will live in the flesh following the close of this earth age.

The seven trumpets exist in the same time frame as the seven seals, and end with the "day of the Lord". However, we are still in the sixth trumpet during this part of the vision. So then, what are the thunders?

Thunder is the report, or sound caused by the movement of lightning. The lightning is the action that took place, while the thunder follows later. The thunder is indicating the distance in time that has passed since the action had occurred. By the time you here the thunder, the lightning is long past.

This is why the thunders are sealed. By the time the thunders take place; you will have already lived through it and it will be history to you. If you wait to recognize the thunder, it's to late for you. Jesus told us in Luke 10:18. "...I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." We saw in the Revelation 9:1, when the fifth angel sounded his trumpet the star [lightning] fell from heaven. This sixth trumpet then is the announcement of that fall from heaven. If you are waiting for that announcement, your already part of Satan's system. You must know before hand from God's Word, for without that knowledge [seal] in your mind, God will turn you over to Satan [Revelation 9:4].

You must know that the trumpets give the action of what is to takes place in this time of testing. To not know this report [prophesy] before it comes about will cause you to be caught up in the action as an "actor", and not an "observer". God gives you His prophecies so you can be an observer. Do you get it?

Revelation 10:7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

When the seventh angel sounds his trumpet, then the mystery of God shall be finished. Should this be a mystery or surprise to you as a Christian? Not if you have studied God's Word. For God revealed every detail of what we shall see, and hear, in His Word. There are no surprises. Jesus said many times, "It is written". What is written will come to pass. All the prophecies uttered by the prophets, and disciples, as well as our Lord, referring to these latter days, is what the thunders revealed.

This seal is broken by the blood of Jesus Christ, and through Him we can take it the knowledge of God's Word into our minds, and act upon that knowledge.

 

[n2thelight]

Matthew 24:40-41 has already happened.

What?! When?

 

[Timtofly]

What?! When?

It is as you say. The lightening happened and by the time you hear the thunder it is history. Rightly dividing the Word, is not lumping the Word together.

 

[Davy]

Matthew 24:40-41 has already happened.

You're funny.