One Thing We Must Do to Be in Heaven

[JohnPaul]

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Death of the soul passes upon the soul that is sinning, not by the sinning of another.

The earth was not made a paradise, but a garden was planted on earth. Mortal bodies still die, because all flesh was made of dust and mortal from the beginning.

Mortal bodies die because of Adam and Eve.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I don't think we are to live in Heaven but here on Earth the way God intended, those that are to be in Heaven are already chosen, the Earth will be made a paradise again, the way it was supposed to be before Adam and Eve, incurred Death on us.

The Thousand Year Reign, right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Humility of not claiming to be good, is not excuse for not doing good.

I'm not sure I totally agree with all that you're saying, but you are sowing some good seeds of truth, like this one. ↑↑↑

 

[Dropship]

So where exactly is heaven?
Talk me through what happens when we die..

 

[Ferris Bueller]

They repent of the 'idea' of sin, while still sinning. They think being saved is to now to hate sinning while sinning, and so they separate 'sin' from committing sin and sinning.

I think that is Gnosticism: Flesh bad/ spirit good. Flesh can't touch spirit. Spirit remains clean.

Paul addresses this thinking in 1 Corinthians when he talks about fornication, for the Corinthians thought it was just sex. Just a thing of the flesh, like eating. A temporal thing of this life. But Paul explains it's a spiritual matter:

The Corinthians Gnostic argument:​

13“Food for the stomach and the stomach for food,” but God will destroy them both.

Paul's response:

"The body is not intended for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By His power God raised the Lord from the dead, and He will raise us also.15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body?" 1 Corinthians 6:13-16​

What we do in the flesh does have spiritual implications. The spirit does not remain clean and undefiled when we sin as the new OSAS claims:

"1 ...let us cleanse ourselves from everything that defiles body and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." 2 Corinthians 7:1​

 

[JohnPaul]

The Thousand Year Reign, right?

Yes.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So where exactly is heaven?
Talk me through what happens when we die..

Believers go to Paradise to await the end of the age. Unbelievers go to a place of torment to await the end of the age. At the final judgment in Matthew 25:31-46 believers and unbelievers are already divided up into those on the right who enter into the eternal kingdom, and those on the left who go to eternal destruction.

I'm not pretending to know all about these matters, but this is how I understand them now.

 

[Pearl]

So where exactly is heaven?
Talk me through what happens when we die..

Does anybody really know where Heaven is. I think it is a spirit world. And what happens when we die depends on making the decision to seek God's forgiveness in this life. Heaven or hell ie Eternity spent with God or eternity spent separated from God.

I believe my journey into eternity with God has already begun' that it began the day I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.

 

[Dropship]

Does anybody really know where Heaven is. I think it is a spirit world..

Yes, possibily a "soul pool" of absolute purity and beauty, which we absorb into like raindrops absorbing into a lake to all become one with God, Jesus and all other pure souls, no more individuality, no more loneliness.
Jesus said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)
On earth we're subject to "spiritual pollution" which we have to avoid and get rid of from our minds in order to qualify for that pure unpolluted soul pool in the sky..
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this....to keep oneself from being polluted by the world" (James 1:27)

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Question- My dear old uncle Bill liked a drink and was often sloshed, but surely that's not as bad as the sin of getting millions of people killed like Hitler did?

Right, it's not. But Jesus speaks of varying levels of punishment for the wicked:

"47That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded." Luke 12:47-48​

My point is that God might overlook minor sins, but not big bad ones?

It's not a matter of whether or not the sin is minor, or big and bad. It's a matter of whether or not the sin is covered by the blood of Christ through believing in that blood. Habitual, willing, conscious sin is the sign that a person does not believe and is not known by God in salvation. The degree of sin for that person only determines how harsh their punishment is going to be.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

On earth we're subject to "spiritual pollution" which we have to avoid and get rid of from our minds in order to qualify for that pure unpolluted soul pool in the sky..

That by itself won't qualify anyone for "that pure unpolluted soul pool in the sky". The cleansing power of Christ's blood for the forgiveness of sin does that all by itself. He qualifies us, not us:

"12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light." Colossians 1:12​

 

[Dropship]

There are all sorts of sin, for example is it a sin for convenience store workers to handle and sell porn mags?
And is it a sin to work in weapon factories?
and is it a sin to vote for nonchristian political candidates?
The list is endless..

 

[Ferris Bueller]

There are all sorts of sin, for example is it a sin for convenience store workers to handle and sell porn mags?
And is it a sin to work in weapon factories?
and is it a sin to vote for nonchristian political candidates?
The list is endless..

Yes, an endless list. All matters of conscience. It's sin for the person for whom it is sin:

"if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean." Romans 14:14​

 

[Dropship]

Yes, an endless list. All matters of conscience. It's sin for the person for whom it is sin:

"if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean." Romans 14:14​

So if somebody does something and regards it as NOT a sin, but somebody else thinks it IS a sin, which one of them is right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So if somebody does something and regards it as NOT a sin, but somebody else thinks it IS a sin, which one of them is right?

Both. I mean as long as that which the person says is not sin really is not sin:

"22 ...Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves." Romans 14:22
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Just deciding something isn't sin doesn't necessarily make it so. But deciding something IS sin does make it so for that person.

 

[Pearl]

There are all sorts of sin, for example is it a sin for convenience store workers to handle and sell porn mags?
And is it a sin to work in weapon factories?
and is it a sin to vote for nonchristian political candidates?
The list is endless..

As Christians we have a built-in sin checker called the Holy Spirit. If we think it's a sin it is a sin.

 

[Enoch111]

And is it a sin to work in weapon factories?

Weapons are tools. They are neutral. They can be used for law enforcement and national defense, or they can be used for killing innocents or other criminals. So working in a weapons factory does not make anyone culpable. But the real criminals are the politicians who ensure that criminals get a free pass and every privilege, while failing to protect law-abiding citizens. All that gun control laws do is give the criminals the tools to commit crimes, while taking away weapons from law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against thugs.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Amen! Love is certainly not something that men merely conjure up through the flesh. Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

It definitely be one of the fruits of the spirit bro.

 

[mailmandan]

It definitely be one of the fruits of the spirit bro.

The very first fruit mentioned in the list. Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

In that case are we all hellbound because none of us is a goody two-shoes?..
Jesus said-
“No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

And so we ALL WERE (hellbound).

The solution to that is the GOSPEL - i.e. Gos doing in Jesus what He Promised Adam and Eve that He'd do.

FAITH in Jesus' perfect SIN OFFERING (Isa 53)(Eph 2:8,9) cleanses us from ALL SIN, so that we stand perfect before God in Jesus.