Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[ScottA]

Do you deny the future, literal, visible, coming of Jesus in the heavens?

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Are you so blind?

Matthew 24:30 does NOT say on earth or in this world--but "in heaven."

So..I will ask you--Do you even believe what is written?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you so blind?

Matthew 24:30 does NOT say on earth or in this world--but "in heaven."

So..I will ask you--Do you even believe what is written?

Your Claim Is "False"

The scripture clearly states that literal eyes on this earth will witness the Lord's future return, simple, clear, easy to understand

Scott your complete theology is mystical gobbly goop not found in scripture

Walking like Einstein "Hardly"

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Scott Downey]

@brightfame52
Exactly true, very good!

 

[Scott Downey]

Are you so blind?

Matthew 24:30 does NOT say on earth or in this world--but "in heaven."

So..I will ask you--Do you even believe what is written?

Well, that is where He comes from where He is seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.

He will come again a second time...., from heaven to earth as He did the first time.
The coming again a second time is a glorious bodily return where every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him
It is not any kind of spiritual invisible coming, He comes in His glory, and in His Father's glory and in the glory of the angels.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 3 - New King James Version

A Lame Man Healed - Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple; who...

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17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.

22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

 

[ScottA]

Your Claim Is "False"

The scripture clearly states that literal eyes on this earth will witness the Lord's future return, simple, clear, easy to understand

Scott your complete theology is mystical gobbly goop not found in scripture

Walking like Einstein "Hardly"

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So then it is confirmed, it is written "in heaven", and you reject it.

So let it be bound and written. Amen.

 

[ScottA]

Well, that is where He comes from where He is seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven.

He will come again a second time...., from heaven to earth as He did the first time.
The coming again a second time is a glorious bodily return where every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him
It is not any kind of spiritual invisible coming, He comes in His glory, and in His Father's glory and in the glory of the angels.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 3 - New King James Version

A Lame Man Healed - Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple; who...

www.biblegateway.com

17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began.

22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

You misunderstand and believe things only taught by men who also lack understanding. The scriptures you quote do not say all that you said.

The scriptures say Jesus comes again in the glory of the Father (spirit) which is the Kingdom of God which comes without observation, not in a glorified physical body, nor technically fully to this world, but only to raise us up, that where He is we might be also..where flesh and blood cannot inherit.

 

[PeterAndroz]

They rise in heaven in the resurrection, then Christ brings them to the clouds and then the rapture happens and the living are brought up to the clouds to meet with them.

Yes, I have heard that explanation & it makes sense as does Matt 27:52 to support an alternate alternate view.
Matt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

 

[JimKnox]

in agreement with the OP I submit:

Let’s look at the absolute chronological math of the resurrection, which completely shatters the two-phase secret rapture theory.
In 1 Corinthians 15:52, Paul explicitly anchors the translation of living believers and the resurrection of the dead to a definitive marker: "at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible."

If the Church is raptured before or during the tribulation at this 'last trumpet,' then any believers who die during the tribulation would have to be raised at a subsequent trumpet when Christ returns visibly at the end. But mathematically, you cannot have a trumpet sounding after the 'last' trumpet. If trumpets are still blowing for resurrection years later, Paul’s 'last trumpet' wasn't the last one at all.
Furthermore, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 explicitly commands us not to be deceived, declaring that our "gathering together unto him" will NOT happen until the Man of Sin is revealed. Paul binds the gathering of the saints and the final day into a single, visible, thunderous conclusion.

So here is my cross-examination question for you: If Paul states the rapture happens at the last trumpet, and that it cannot happen until after the Man of Sin is revealed, by what scriptural authority do you invent a secret, silent, mid-timeline extraction that takes place before the final trumpet blows? Show me a single verse that mentions a resurrection of saints occurring after the 'last' trumpet has already sounded.

I want to know where you get the Scriptural authority to claim that every resurrection in Scripture is announced by and preceded by a trumpet. If you can not, then your entire polemic falls apart.