Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[Truth7t7]

That's not what it says though.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Not something that happened back then.


Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Not something that happened back then.




Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That didn't happen either. Walking and sleeping on a mountain does not cleave it in half with a very great valley in trh middle that was not ther before.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Shows The Eternal Kingdom Revealed

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[ScottA]

yes before the forum watching

Yes, evvrrrreeeone is seeing how blind you are to not see "in heaven" in Matthew 24:30! Ooooo!

 

[brightfame52]

Spot on that the AC is a cross section of Earth's population?
Am I understanding you to actually mean that?

What do you mean ? Explain yourself

 

[CrowCross]

Why would you disagree that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal?

The verses have some similarity but the descriptions are different.

 

[Earburner]

That's not what it says though.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Not something that happened back then.


Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Not something that happened back then.




Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That didn't happen either. Walking and sleeping on a mountain does not cleave it in half with a very great valley in trh middle that was not ther before.

Still, you are not willing to post the comments of the poster that you are addressing!! No problem, I shall continue to have respect for the audience that is looking on.

For all the OT prophets, none of them could know or understand in WHICH three of the manifestations of Jesus' coming that God was speaking about, through them.

Remember, the prophets were just voice boxes for God, and therefore the words spoken through them did not originate from their own minds.
Therefore, they could not teach anything of when the prophesied events shall take place, simply because they themselves never knew how many times and when Jesus would be manifested. Isa. 55:8-9

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

But now, for those of us who are hearing the Holy Spirit within us, He is very glad to teach about the three manifestations of Jesus, and what OT scriptures have been fulfilled and WHEN.

1 Cor. 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[CrowCross]

Midtrib.

I see the trib beginning when the antichrist is revealed after the restrainer is removed.

 

[CrowCross]

Alot of Christians misunderstand the book of Zechariah in association with the first manifestation of Jesus. When Jesus began His ministry, He and the discipes literally slept in the mount of Olives virtually every night. So yes, his feet were all over that place. But in the day time, He was in the Temple of Jerusalem and walking about the areas in and around Jerusalem. But at night, he and his feet were in the Mt. of Olives
resting. Zech. 14:4
You all do understand that the two mountains are symbolic and caused by the division (cleaving) between the Two houses of Judah and Israel, correct?
And the valley between them is Jesus, right?
Yeah, they are to flee to the valley and put their faith in Jesus. By his "living waters", it's the only way that they will ever find the peace from God and between themselves.

I'm trying to figure out what you said...you lost me. I don't see how you answered my question.

 

[The Light]

The verses have some similarity but the descriptions are different.

The stars fall from heaven in both verses. That should sew it up. How many times do the stars fall from heaven. Just once, and that occurs because there is war in heaven during the great tribulation.

You cannot begin to understand Revelation until you understand that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal.

Are there any white horses in these verses? No
Is anything about Armageddon in these verses? No.

These verses are a harvest that will occur prior to the opening of the 7th seal wrath of God. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes: "when he shall come to be glorified in his saints."

...and that "fire" is Holy fire (spirit).

Also, regarding our "seeing" Him, John tells us that we will see Him as He is because we will be like Him.

All of which means we will see Him in spirit, and the unbelieving world will not see His coming, but be consumed as with fire, Holy fire.

Jesus says the opposite, they see Him coming, even them that are dead witness His return, then they are consumed by fire as they are not worthy to inherit the earth in that age to come. His return is a mournful time for the unsaved people of the world. How can the tribes mourn Him coming again if they don't see it? Think on that.

Matthew 26
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

 

[Truth7t7]

The stars fall from heaven in both verses. That should sew it up. How many times do the stars fall from heaven. Just once, and that occurs because there is war in heaven during the great tribulation.

You cannot begin to understand Revelation until you understand that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal.

Are there any white horses in these verses? No
Is anything about Armageddon in these verses? No.

These verses are a harvest that will occur prior to the opening of the 7th seal wrath of God. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus returns at the 7th Trump on The Last Day (The End)

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. Not going to look them all up.

The best part is you had to change many to ............Show us in the NEW TESTAMENT. That's because the answers are in the Old Testament.

We have different Fathers, that much was obvious when you were caught changing scripture to protect your fallen doctrine. You value a fallen doctrine over truth. FACT.

He then leaves you a "signature mocking spirit emogie", authenticating the spirit operating in him.

Amils need their own thread, and each nurturing each other into a amil bliss.
That entire deal is a WASTE OF THOUGHT, with a weird edited bible.

 

[The Light]

Jesus returns at the 7th Trump on The Last Day (The End)

The end of the age is the 6th seal. Look at Matthew 24.

 

[Scott Downey]

Virgins do not represent unbelievers.
Nor do they represent apostate.

They are unknown to Christ, meaning He never knew them
The door into the Lords prescense is shut, everyone who is supposed to be present is there with the Lord.
After the door is shut it is too late to enter in. Also tells us after He comes, there is no more saving to be obtained by the unsaved.

Matthew 25
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom [a]is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour [b]in which the Son of Man is coming.

 

[WPM]

The end of the age is the 6th seal. Look at Matthew 24.

I agree. We are looking at several recaps of the one and only climatic return of Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Jesus returns at the 7th Trump on The Last Day (The End)

Most every position agrees Jesus returns postrib.
Some edit the bible to hope rev 14, and 1 these 4, and mat 24 &25 are also with millions of horses, when it is flat out impossible.
I think the cure would be to just eliminate the rapture entirely, and stop trying to pretend the pretrib rapture Jesus taught, is Jesus in confusion.
That pretrib rapture sure does bother people.

 

[WPM]

He then leaves you a "signature mocking spirit emogie", authenticating the spirit operating in him.

Amils need their own thread, and each nurturing each other into a amil bliss.
That entire deal is a WASTE OF THOUGHT, with a weird edited bible.

LOL. This explains why you cannot answer any questions from Amils or prove your doctrine in the Bible. All you have is insults and avoidance. That is your MO. You obvioulsy have something to hide.

 

[Scott Downey]

I agree. We are looking at several recaps of the one and only climatic return of Christ.

Exactly, Revelation is not linear time. it jumps around in the timeline, it is not a fully progressing story from beginning too end.
More of the book is written the same way.

 

[Scott Downey]

You still can not answer if rev 19 is the second coming.
So many sentences.
You seem to tell us you don't know, but instead use 3 or 4 unrelated paragraphs to say it.

I already said in that post back to you, and showed what is said, but you are disturbed in your mind and can't believe what is written and also very clearly written. None of what I said was unrelated, it was spot on, also bringing old and new testament scriptures together to point that out.

 

[WPM]

He then leaves you a "signature mocking spirit emogie", authenticating the spirit operating in him.

Amils need their own thread, and each nurturing each other into a amil bliss.
That entire deal is a WASTE OF THOUGHT, with a weird edited bible.

It is like dealing with two 5 year olds, with you guys.

 

[Truth7t7]

You cannot begin to understand Revelation until you understand that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal.

Your claim is "False"

The second coming occurs at the 7th Trump on The Last Day (The End)

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)