UHH I agree with every scripture you listed, and how does that supposedly go against anything I stated in my post which is not opinion? Please clarify
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We need to see the difference between what is spoken and what is written,
Let me share from my posted testimony... I'll just paste a small portion of it below:
"I arrive back home, and later that evening, I'm all alone, my mom has gone to work. I sit on the couch, and I hear the following. "Read Matthew Ch 5". I grab my new bible. I don't even know what a Mathew is, let alone where is Mathew Ch 5.
I look in the contents, ahh I found it. I go to the page, and as I start to read, it's as if the word come alive and jump off the page. I start to cry as I read, overcome with joy, even though I have no idea (mentally) what Jesus is really talking about.
As I obeyed this voice, I noticed it became more frequent. It also would interrupt my agenda and purposes. Especially when I was around people. It would tell me to go talk to that guy, go sit by that lady, or leave this place right now. It would tell me about people's sins, needs, and reveal secrets of their hearts, always resulting in people asking Jesus into their hearts.
So, by now, I've started to learn a little from other Christians, attending prayer meetings, bible studies, and stuff like that. I start to ponder the experience a few months ago with Mathew 5, and this voice leading me.
I say to myself. They are both "The Word of God".... Yet very different from one another. One is heard; the other is read.
One can be made alive, by the one who speaks, while the other one always brings life, and amazing results, even salvation when I do what it beacons me to do.
Still, I found this overwhelming to comprehend. Now I understand, but then I did not...
"
Let me share from my posted testimony... I'll just paste a small portion of it below:
"I arrive back home, and later that evening, I'm all alone, my mom has gone to work. I sit on the couch, and I hear the following. "Read Matthew Ch 5". I grab my new bible. I don't even know what a Mathew is, let alone where is Mathew Ch 5.
I look in the contents, ahh I found it. I go to the page, and as I start to read, it's as if the word come alive and jump off the page. I start to cry as I read, overcome with joy, even though I have no idea (mentally) what Jesus is really talking about.
As I obeyed this voice, I noticed it became more frequent. It also would interrupt my agenda and purposes. Especially when I was around people. It would tell me to go talk to that guy, go sit by that lady, or leave this place right now. It would tell me about people's sins, needs, and reveal secrets of their hearts, always resulting in people asking Jesus into their hearts.
So, by now, I've started to learn a little from other Christians, attending prayer meetings, bible studies, and stuff like that. I start to ponder the experience a few months ago with Mathew 5, and this voice leading me.
I say to myself. They are both "The Word of God".... Yet very different from one another. One is heard; the other is read.
One can be made alive, by the one who speaks, while the other one always brings life, and amazing results, even salvation when I do what it beacons me to do.
Still, I found this overwhelming to comprehend. Now I understand, but then I did not...
"
Yes He does...
I became a believer in the 70s. My first year in Jesus was as if I had walked into the book of acts.
One day while hitchhiking I get into a car full of 5 kids, in 20 minutes 4 of them are saved, because God told me to tell them, that He was going to share secrets about their lives, with me. The 1 girl and the 3 guys burst into convulsions, tears and weeping so heavily I almost cried. The scary part was God said nothing about the driver.
And here is some more for you to ponder:
One day everyone leaves. (Pretty sure they needed a break).
I'm alone, sitting at the kitchen table, it starts to rain. Suddenly I hear that same voice I heard so many years ago, in the 70's. (I'm just going to share bits and pieces here, and not in the order of the conversation) ...
He says, you notice the rain drops, how they are different one from the other? I say Lord I have no idea, only you know. He says and you're different. I start to weep. He says Not like that! I'm not talking about your face.
He says you are like a piece of fruit in a bowl with many other pieces of fruit (He means Christians). But you are the worst piece of fruit in the bowl. Why do you believe what you believe and who taught you (NOTE: VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION).
It is not your job to change yourself, that is MY JOB! You are the sheep, I am the shepherd, you are the field, I am the farmer. You are the vine; I am the vinedresser. You are not to judge yourself, nor are you to look for things to judge yourself about, or things in yourself you think need to change. That is all up to me.
When I have something, I want to change in your life, I will bring it to your attention and all you have to do is agree with me.
Big Boy Johnson
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Jesus said preach the Gospel to ever creature
Too bad you didn't know that and witnessed to the driver
Not everyone gets saved immediately
WOW!
What negativity, you are a curious fellow.....
Let's leave it at that OK?
NO need to continue the conversation, I am sure we would NOT agree
Big Boy Johnson
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So accepting all that the Lord says is being negative, got it.
Yeah, I don't get along too well with people that toot their own horn, much less with those that don't accept all the Lord has to say.
Im going by how I understand the scriptures which are the authority. And I dont see the posters comment in the scripture. Im suppose to judge what people say as regars the things if Christ 1 Jn 4
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
@Big Boy Johnson
I have no problem with them 2 verses, I use them frequently, however Im speaking about your own commentary of them is the problem I have, that commentary of yours isnt in the scripture.
I have no problem with them 2 verses, I use them frequently, however Im speaking about your own commentary of them is the problem I have, that commentary of yours isnt in the scripture.
@Big Boy Johnson
Thats unfortunate you say that since Tulip Truths are essential to the Gospel of Gods Grace. See Salvation by Grace is Salvation by Election of Grace. Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
If Salvation isnt by a remnant according to the election of grace, then salvation is no more by grace, but works
Thats unfortunate you say that since Tulip Truths are essential to the Gospel of Gods Grace. See Salvation by Grace is Salvation by Election of Grace. Rom 11:5-7
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
If Salvation isnt by a remnant according to the election of grace, then salvation is no more by grace, but works
Earburner
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I agreed that it was not your opinion (an internal conclusion) but rather that it was your observation (an external conclusion).
My scripture selection of 1 Peter 1:17-19 did not agree with anything of your "observation" of the scriptures
Earburner
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Hi rodm777, I just realized that you are new here. Welcome aboard! I hope that you have a rewarding and blessed experience with all on this site.
If what you just shared was the reality of your personal testimony, I say thank you because I was blessed to hear it.
Blessings to you In His Name,
Earburner
Then you must be a Calvinist. The "T" in TULIP is heresy. It teaches that even after Jesus has cleansed us of all sin we are still totally depraved. Is that true? Is His blood powerless?
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Big Boy Johnson
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Tip toeing thru the tulips is walking in doctrines of demons
That's your problem, not mine.
Twisting scripture to claim God only decided a few would be saved and He is actively preventing all others from being saved is what people being led by demons do.
The devil is very very religious and he's the one teaching the catholics and the calvinists and they are clueless thinking they are hearing from the Lord
The way the devil deceives these people is by teaching them to be cherry pickers.
They choose to believe that some things God says are lies and they learned that from the father of liars.
Big Boy Johnson
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Well they enjoy this kinda teaching because it gives them an excuse to enjoy engaging in sinful behavior sometimes.
In these last days where deception abounds, many want to keep living in sin so they heap to themselves teachers who will tickle their ear and tell them what they want to hear.
All five tenets of calvinism are false doctrine and are not biblical.
Ronald Nolette
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Ah Yes the typical verbage all people use who reinterpret Scripture. sorry but that is not what is written. So unless you can show the authority you have been given by God to retranslate the Words He inspired, I am going to stick with what He wrote.
I guess Paul is in the shallows as well. After all He wrote this:
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Jesus must be in teh shallows as well:
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Same with Peter:
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
If you only knew that you are moouthing the same wordsa that the JW's, Moromons< David Koresh, Jim Jones and other cult leaders and wannabe's have used to try to show they knew better than what is written.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes the Spirit does as ling as you do not get caught up in that evil spirit that chirps something like this: "I know what the bible reads, but I believe it means this". Then you have entered perilous grounds.
I see you resist the Gospel as well. You resist T in Tulip you resist the Gospel of Gods Grace. Not good
See Salvation by Grace is Salvation by Election of Grace. Rom 11:5-7Tip toeing thru the tulips is walking in doctrines of demons
That's your problem, not mine.
Twisting scripture to claim God only decided a few would be saved and He is actively preventing all others from being saved is what people being led by demons do.
The devil is very very religious and he's the one teaching the catholics and the calvinists and they are clueless thinking they are hearing from the Lord
The way the devil deceives these people is by teaching them to be cherry pickers.
They choose to believe that some things God says are lies and they learned that from the father of liars.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Paul uses "election of grace" and" by Grace" interchangeably . Then Salvation by Grace by default necessitates the rest of mankind is Judicially blinded or hardened. There is no chance for anyone to be saved by Grace but the election of Grace.
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