Only Two Times of Resurrection, Not Three

[Robert Gwin]

How would it be known they died again, for example the widow's son, is there any clues in the bible

If they didn't I am very sure they would be known worldwide, the oldest humans alive.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I suspect that is the source of the confusion.

I would imagine if I was posting about hell and someone started talking about the last king to set on Jehovah's throne, it would get a bit confusing. Many call that tea in China, sometimes I post that as well. If one cannot respond to a posters comment in context, it definitely would get very confusing sir.

 

[Davy]

I believe in 3 resurrections, but not as pointed out here.

1) The "better resurrection" of those in Christ who will rule and reign with Christ -- this is a spiritual body. These are his Kings and Priests (Revelation 1:6) who will teach the rest of the world during the millennium the way of God. A greater salvation will result.

2) The general resurrection after the millennium. These are people never saved nor lost, and yet never heard the true gospel. For example, these may be people before the time of Christ or maybe babies that died before they could make a decision. The result will be the "Great White Throne judgement" where books (of the Bible) will be opened and people will have their FIRST CHANCE at salvation they never knew. It's a mini millennium after the 1000 years where people are raised physically for this trial and judgement period
3) Then there is the resurrection of the unjust (like Hitler) who made their choice very clearly to be evil and their fate is to perish in the Lake of Fire. I believe that the fire is none other than God's Spirit in which no physical man can stand but be burnt up. I have no problem if God's Spirit would cause other conflagration such as the heavens and Earth to make a new one, but the fire of the Earth to come is that lake of fire by God's Spirit to destroy all evil. For those facing this fate, it's a terribly fearful and agonizing time for them. As for God's Spirit, it reminds me of what John the Baptist said he will Baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. And again, our God is an all-consuming fire. So evil will be annihilated and the New heaven and Earth will be pure. Outside are the unbelievers, the adulterers, and other evil people who perished in eternal fire. This is truly eternal punishment as such people are destroyed completely without any hope of any resurrection and they will be as if they have never been.

That of course is from old religious traditions. Not what is actually written.

1. First resurrection event - Lord Jesus as the "firstfruits"...

1 Cor 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
KJV

That points to Jesus' resurrection in relation to a resurrection of the asleep saints that had already died back to the flood. That is what the Isaiah 42:7 and 1 Peter 3 & 4 prophecies of the "spirits in prison" is about, that Jesus preached The Gospel to.

2. Second resurrection event - the general resurrection that is to occur on the coming "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns, i.e. the last day of this world. It is also the day when the wicked dead are resurrected too...

1 Thess 4:14-16
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
KJV

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

 

[BeyondET]

If they didn't I am very sure they would be known worldwide, the oldest humans alive.

The bible is silent on those humans but it does show a human doesn't have to die a second time or even once to be gone like in a whirlwind. So it is possible there are exception to the norm. Especially when it's for a purpose God’s plan.

 

[Davy]

Truth be known, there is only One resurrection (but two or three accounts told regarding all who are included). Just as it is also written, "that our old man was crucified with Him."

Truth be told... God's written Word declares LITERAL resurrection events, and also refers to those LITERAL events using metaphor and analogy. So someone who can read is supposed... to realize when a metaphor is being used to point to a LITERAL EVENT.

To put it in easier words to understand, we don't refer to the idea of eternal Life as a metaphor only, but as a future LITERAL EVENT. Like Paul said...

Rom 8:24-25
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
KJV

 

[ScottA]

Truth be told... God's written Word declares LITERAL resurrection events, and also refers to those LITERAL events using metaphor and analogy. So someone who can read is supposed... to realize when a metaphor is being used to point to a LITERAL EVENT.

Still that is not the whole truth, which means you have made the same error as you have described. You have only accounted for two steps in the direction of what is actually literal, and yet there are more, more which you have not acknowledged and therefore leave out.

I too will give an example: It was prophesied and written that the Christ would be pierced (crucified Psalm 22:16), and then hundreds of years later, He was. But it was also revealed that it was in fact "before the foundation of the world", and also that we who are saved even 2,000 years after He was crucified, were crucified "with Christ" 2,000 years earlier. Two steps that are commonly known, and two additional steps that were also revealed, but not always acknowledged.​

Likewise, you say "literal event" referring only to the event you believe to be literal, while not acknowledging the actual literal event--because it has not been revealed to you, just as someone who is not saved has not seen Jesus "come in to" them.

 

[ElieG12]

Did you know that men's doctrines wrongly teach 3 resurrection periods in God's Word? Check it out.

The 1st one was when Jesus resurrected, and many of the saints resurrected... which He pointed to in the John 5:25 verse:

Matt 27:50-53
50 Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
KJV

(...)

About the event on the day Jesus died:

Do you realize that these "bodies" (corpses) came out of their graves on the day of Jesus' death and the news was only known in Jerusalem on the third day?

If you think about it you would realize an important contradiction: you would be saying, by implication, that those dead were raised on the day that Jesus died... before Jesus was raised after two more days. Are you sure that is what the Scripture says? ... that there were people resurrected to go to heaven before Jesus himself?

Acts 26:22 (...) I continue to this day bearing witness to both small and great, but saying nothing except things the Prophets as well as Moses stated were going to take place, 23 that the Christ was to suffer and, as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to publish light both to this people and to the nations.

 

[Davy]

Still that is not the whole truth, which means you have made the same error as you have described.

God is Who you are claiming made errors, because all I did was point out HOW He gave His Word using metaphor and allegory to ALWAYS point to something LITERAL.

Your problem is that you can't tell the difference between a metaphor and literal meaning. Imagine a dog chasing its own tail. That's you in trying to decipher God's Word. He obviously did not give it to you because of your haughtiness against Him.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The bible is silent on those humans but it does show a human doesn't have to die a second time or even once to be gone like in a whirlwind. So it is possible there are exception to the norm. Especially when it's for a purpose God’s plan.

You know Be, Elijah does not die at this time, nor does he go into the invisible spirit realm, but he is transferred to another prophetic assignment. (Joh 3:13) This is shown by the fact that Elisha does not hold any period of mourning for his master. A number of years after his ascension in the windstorm Elijah is still alive and active as a prophet, this time to the king of Judah. Because of the wicked course taken by King Jehoram of Judah, Elijah writes him a letter expressing Jehovah’s condemnation, which is fulfilled shortly thereafter. 2Ch 21:12-15

Interesting that you have an inkling that a man might not have to die once, the Bible teaches that when Jesus returns, he is only going to remove the wicked ones, the goats if you will, But the meek ones living at that time will be preserved and inherit the earth, coming out of the great tribulation alive. Ps 37:9-11,29; Rev 7:9,14. These were preserved because they had been judged as sheep. Therefore when satan is released from the abyss, no doubt most of them will remain faithful inheriting life, thus never having to die. Rev 20:5

 

[ScottA]

God is Who you are claiming made errors, because all I did was point out HOW He gave His Word using metaphor and allegory to ALWAYS point to something LITERAL.

Your problem is that you can't tell the difference between a metaphor and literal meaning. Imagine a dog chasing its own tail. That's you in trying to decipher God's Word. He obviously did not give it to you because of your haughtiness against Him.

Phycological projection.

 

[ElieG12]

1st resurrection: The millenium in Rev. 20 starts after all resurrected human kings are in heavens with Jesus. They will be his co-rulers and priests in favor of the survivors of the great tribulation (Rev. 5:9,10). They will be spirits and will live in heavens and won't be tested; they are inmortals with Jesus.

2nd resurrection: The rest who will be resurrected DURING THE MILLENNIUM will live on earth with new fleshly bodies, and join the survivors ... to be tested at the end. They got eternal life, but that is not inmortality.

Every human being with a flesh body (even perfect, even with eternal life) must be sustained and cared for to stay alive. Christ and his brethren with spiritual bodies have "life in themselves" (John 5:26), which is immortality; this is a special gift from God to Jesus and his special brothers who will be kings and priests with him up there to rule over the earth on the millenium.

 

[BeyondET]

You know Be, Elijah does not die at this time, nor does he go into the invisible spirit realm, but he is transferred to another prophetic assignment. (Joh 3:13) This is shown by the fact that Elisha does not hold any period of mourning for his master. A number of years after his ascension in the windstorm Elijah is still alive and active as a prophet, this time to the king of Judah. Because of the wicked course taken by King Jehoram of Judah, Elijah writes him a letter expressing Jehovah’s condemnation, which is fulfilled shortly thereafter. 2Ch 21:12-15

Interesting that you have an inkling that a man might not have to die once, the Bible teaches that when Jesus returns, he is only going to remove the wicked ones, the goats if you will, But the meek ones living at that time will be preserved and inherit the earth, coming out of the great tribulation alive. Ps 37:9-11,29; Rev 7:9,14. These were preserved because they had been judged as sheep. Therefore when satan is released from the abyss, no doubt most of them will remain faithful inheriting life, thus never having to die. Rev 20:5

Thanks for the info, nice read.

Like a return to the garden, upon full circle of the earth.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Thanks for the info, nice read.

Like a return to the garden, upon full circle of the earth.

You are very welcome B