Open Discussion of UR Chapter Four - The Gates of Hell...

[St. SteVen]

Jesus said, "... I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18 NIV

Question #1) What are the gates of hell?

Question #2) What does it mean to not prevail?

Question #3) How should the church (the Body of Christ) respond to this?

Question #4) How does the view of Universal Redemption fit in response?

Is this what that looks like? What a tragic image. Who won?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Question #1) What are the gates of hell?

The Curse of Death

 

[St. SteVen]

The Curse of Death

Thanks for your response.
With that as a starting point, how would you reply to the other questions?

Question #2) What does it mean to not prevail?

Question #3) How should the church (the Body of Christ) respond to this?

Question #4) How does the view of Universal Redemption fit in response?

 

[Cassandra]

2. That death will lose its sting, and grave its victory.
3. By sharing the Good News of the Gospel.
4. It doesn't.

 

[St. SteVen]

2. That death will lose its sting, and grave its victory.
3. By sharing the Good News of the Gospel.
4. It doesn't.

Thanks for joining the discussion.
You missed one.
Question #1) What are the gates of hell?

You signature line indicates that you are a Cessationist.
Jesus said his sheep hear his voice. Maybe you aren't "sheepish"? - LOL

 

[Cassandra]

1. A place make to hold one captive in death. Jesus made it so man does not have to remain dead.

As for your snark about me not being sheepish (how do you know that? ) I would assume that you are speaking of the Justin Peters quote I put in my signature. Justin Peters said that, and i agree. So many people are saying God told them this or that, and a lot of it is just jokey and doesn't come true. I still believe in gifts--I just don't believe that any thing telling you that this or that is going to happen is from God. What Justin said is true. The words in the Bible are from God. I've even read on Christian forums of a few people saying they don't need their Bibles because God is speaking to them directly now. That to me is terrifying.

 

[QuantumBit]

Jesus said, "... I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18 NIV

Great thread @St. SteVen I may be busy today, so I will give my thoughts some of your questions and get to the other ones later.

Question #1) What are the gates of hell?

The Bible is filled with what we would call 'euphemism'. In other words, certain words and concepts relating to reproduction, sex and other 'inappropriate for children' topics are disguised with allegory as to keep things 'G Rated'.

I believe this is what Milk vs. Meat is all about...

Hebrews 5:13-14
"For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

• Milk is the 'nursery rhyme' version of interpretation that most on this, and other forums, preach.
• Meat is the 'adult education' that so many are lacking.

And so it is the 'Meat' interpretation that I will offer...

Job 38:8 (Good News Translation)
"Who closed the gates to hold back the sea when it burst from the womb of the earth?"

The above is referring to the anatomy of a Woman, using Gates, the Sea and the Earth as euphemism.

• The 'Gates' represent the entrance to the womb.
• The 'Sea' represents Amniotic Fluid.
• 'Burst' is when the water breaks during child birth
• The 'Earth' represents the Mother

We can see these euphemisms being used in other verses...

Revelation 17:15
"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

The 'waters' are symbolic of the Amniotic Fluid of the Harlot when she gave birth to the nations.

The 'Earth' is symbolic of a Mother with child...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

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The 'lowest parts of the Earth' is often symbolic of 'Hell'. But what is Hell? Hell is euphemism for the womb from which we all came...

Matthew 23:15 (Berean Literal Bible)
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert, and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves."

'Son of Gehenna' is literal. That is where we came from.

Thus 'Gates of Hell' is simply referring to the entrance to the womb.

Question #2) What does it mean to not prevail?

It means that there will be a 'replacement womb' for Mother Earth. This new replacement womb is called New Jerusalem, the Mother of us all...

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

The New Earth is the new Mother. New Jerusalem is her womb. The 'Pearly Gates' are the entrances to the womb. The saved enter the 'Gates' as 'Seed' to become Born Again... literally... as new creatures.

The Tree of Life is euphemism for Ovary. They give 'Fruit' on a monthly period or Menstrual Cycle...

Revelation 22:2
"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

 

[St. SteVen]

Thus 'Gates of Hell' is simply referring to the entrance to the womb.

That's interesting. Let's test it to see if it works.

I will build my church; and "the entrance to the womb" shall not prevail against it.

Does that work? Doesn't seem to.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Curse of Death

That's interesting. Let's test it to see if it works.

I will build my church; and "the Curse of Death" shall not prevail against it.

Does that work? Doesn't seem to.

 

[QuantumBit]

That's interesting. Let's test it to see if it works.

I will build my church; and "the entrance to the womb" shall not prevail against it.

Does that work? Doesn't seem to.

Of course it works.

If Heavenly Jerusalem represents the Heavenly Mother/Womb (Sarah), then Earthly Jerusalem represents the Earthly Mother/Womb (Hagar)...

Galatians 4:24-25 (New International Version)
"These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar."

"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children."

The Bible literally teaches that Hagar and Sarah are allegorical for two cities.

Moreover, these two 'cities' are also allegorical of the womb we are all birthed from. They represent two Mothers...

• Hagar = Our Earthly Mother of the Body of Corruption
• Sarah = Our Future, Heavenly Mother of the Glorified Body

Remember, this is not an 'interpretation', but literally what the verses state in plain language. The 'city' bears children. You see it for yourself.

And if that were not enough, we find that Mount Sinai represents the Male Phallus by which the Seed (Word of God) comes down from the 'tip' or 'head' of the Phallus. Moses brought the Seed down to the Bride Israel...

Luke 8:11
"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."

Seed is DNA. The Word of God is DNA. Mount Sinai is the Male Generative Principle that is conceiving children with Hagar/Earthly Jerusalem.

The opposite is Mount Zion. It is representative of the Male Phallus that conceives the Glorified Body...

Isaiah 52:1
Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

I mean... just lol at the language used in the above verse.

God is telling Mt. Zion to be sure and take his Viagra and 'put on strength' so that when the womb of Sarah 'sits on his Mountain' things will go smoothly.

The Lamb represents Abraham's Seed and sits at the tip, ready to do business. The rest of the Seed are with it...

Revelation 14:1
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads."

The 'New Name' is a new Genome. Now, look at the last part of Isaiah 52:1...

"...no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean"

Do I really have to describe what 'come into thee' means after Mt. Zion takes the Viagra? You should know what part of the Body gets circumcised.

The 'uncircumcised' Phallus will not be able to 'penetrate' the Gates of New Jerusalem.

 

[QuantumBit]

God is telling Mt. Zion to be sure and take his Viagra and 'put on strength' so that when the womb of Sarah 'sits on his Mountain' things will go smoothly.

In other news...

Mystery Babylon's Womb (Earthly Jerusalem) sits on Mountains to conceive Antichrists...

Revelation 17:9
"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

She's been 'gettin' busy' pumping out those Sons of Gehenna. You go girl!

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[QuantumBit]

Question #3) How should the church (the Body of Christ) respond to this?

They need to seek the Kingdom of God Within first and foremost...

Matthew 6:33
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

If they would have done that, Christianity would be flourishing instead of dying.

Question #4) How does the view of Universal Redemption fit in response?

Universalists are the closest so far to understanding what the Bible teaches. It is no surprise that they are banned on so many Christian forums. People hate Truth.

Universalists just need to walk through that final Door of Enlightenment and let go of all of the remaining bits of false dogma they were told for so long.

As a former Catholic and former Seventh Day Adventist, it was a very difficult process for me. If I can do it, anyone can.

 

[QuantumBit]

That's interesting. Let's test it to see if it works.

I will build my church; and "the entrance to the womb" shall not prevail against it.

Does that work? Doesn't seem to.

Here is another way of looking at it...

I will build my church; and "Mystery Babylon's temptations to commit adultery" shall not prevail against it...

Revelation 2:20
"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols."

Her 'Gates' are what God's Servants are tempted by. She offers the Forbidden Fruit...

Revelation 2:22
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

The Forbidden Fruit is to become one of her children...

Revelation 2:23
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

Literally.

Also, think of what happened with Baalam...

Revelation 2:14
"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication."

Mystery Babylon's 'Gates' prevailed over the men, and they were seduced.

It is the same pattern over and over.

 

[QuantumBit]

Is what that looks like? What a tragic image. Who won?

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Your photo is a great way of illustrating how the Church Industrial Complex has taken the concept of Mystery Babylon and turned it into 'clickbait' to make money and deceive others.

They turned the Earth Mother into a 'Harlot Church', usually the Catholic Church.

Then they make fun of her and say things like "We are not like that Harlot Church down the street!". Pure hubris.

Instead of holding the Forbidden Fruit as the Bible teaches, Mystery Babylon now holds "Doctrines of debils from that other Church!".

They make Mystery Babylon about religion instead of Hagar and Jerusalem.

In the end, all they accomplished was to divide everyone, hence the broken-down building.

 

[St. SteVen]

Of course it works.

Very interesting explanation.
I have read many of those scriptures but have not paid attention to some of the things you are pointing out.
Reminds me of Freemasonry for some reason. The G in their symbol stands for generating force, as I understand it.

 

[St. SteVen]

Then they make fun of her and say things like "We are not like that Harlot Church down the street!". Pure hubris.

I have often made the comment on the forum that it is easy to identify a religious cult.
They meet in the church across the street from yours. And they feel the same way about you.
Where does that get us?

 

[St. SteVen]

Here is another way of looking at it...

I will build my church; and "Mystery Babylon's temptations to commit adultery" shall not prevail against it...

Curious about your reading of the first half of the verse. (Matthew 16:18) See below.
What is the rock that Jesus will build his church on?
The RCC points to Peter, I point to the Holy Spirit (God) that revealed the true identity of Christ to Peter.
“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood,
but by my Father in heaven." - Matthew 16:17 - NIV (maybe the son of Jonah part has meaning?)

Matthew 16:18 NIV
And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Question #3) How should the church (the Body of Christ) respond to this?

They need to seek the Kingdom of God Within first and foremost...

Let's discuss this.
What's your perspective on seeking the Kingdom of God Within?
How is this done?

 

[QuantumBit]

Curious about your reading of the first half of the verse. (Matthew 16:18) See below.
What is the rock that Jesus will build his church on?
The RCC points to Peter, I point to the Holy Spirit (God) that revealed the true identity of Christ to Peter.
“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood,
but by my Father in heaven." - Matthew 16:17 - NIV (maybe the son of Jonah part has meaning?)

Matthew 16:18 NIV
And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.

I view the word 'Church' as those that are to become Abraham's Seed and enter into the New Jerusalem. It is not about a physical building made with hands, but a new Temple Body...

Ephesians 5:30-32
"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

Notice the word 'Mystery'. The word 'Church' has to do with a 'Great Mystery'. What is the Mystery? It is about 'two becoming one'.

It is about a Mother and Father conceiving children. The Church represents the children, i.e., the Sons of God.

Thus, in order to build a 'Church', that is to say, conceive a child, a 'Rock' is required. What is said Rock?

We find the answer in Isaiah...

Isaiah 51:1
"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged."

We are 'hewn' from a 'Rock'. We are 'digged' from a 'Pit'. Obviously, these are symbolic of something. I always let the Bible explain what the symbols mean...

Isaiah 51:2
"Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him."

And now we know what a Rock and Pit are symbolic of...

• Rock = Abraham's Seed
• Pit = Sarah's Womb

The Beast will ascend from a 'Pit' one day.

As far as whether Jesus was referring to himself or Peter as being the Rock, it seems to work either way. We know Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone, so that could work, however I favor Peter being the Rock that Jesus is referring to.

To clarify, I do not believe Peter is all by himself as the 'main rock' that the Church is built on. The Church Members are like the individual letters of DNA that form a complete Genome. The Genome creates the Body.

The 'Stone with Seven Eyes' is representative of a Nitrogenous Base, a single letter in the DNA code. The Seed is the Word.

Now, let us add that information to this...

Revelation 21:14
"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

We see that Peter is part of the Twelve Foundational 'Rocks' of New Jerusalem. I personally interpret the Foundation as being symbolic of the 'Clay' that the Tree of Life sprouts and grows from.

I have speculated in the past that the Glorified Body contains twelve Base Pairs instead of four like we have now.

 

[QuantumBit]

By the way, notice the context of the Peter verses...

Matthew 16:13-15
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?"

QuantumBit's Paraphrased Interpretation...

"Who do men say that I the Son of Man is the reincarnation of?"
"Some say that you are the reincarnation of John the Baptist."
"Some say that you are the reincarnation of Elias."
"Some say that you are the reincarnation of Jeremias."
"Some say that you are the reincarnation of one of the Prophets."
"Ok, I totally get that, but who do you say I am the reincarnation of?"

Yep. That is how I sees it.