Origin stories which don’t exist for people, places and things mentioned in the Bible

[pandaflower]

The issue with the subject is defining the true nature of the adversary (satan) - none can be found - there is no Scripture in the Bible which defines a fallen angel as an adversary.

Fallen angel is a term used by people now to describe the angels God cast down and out of Heaven.

Then per the rest of your post,there's Numbers 22:22-35.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Fallen angel is a term used by people now to describe the angels God cast down and out of Heaven.

Then per the rest of your post,there's Numbers 22:22-35.

And this is what cannot be proven from the Bible.

 

[talons]

Ezekiel 28:11–19 — The Guardian Cherub’s Fall
This passage begins as a lament for the King of Tyre, but shifts into language that many believe refers to Lucifer’s pre-fall state and rebellion:

• “You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty” — Describes an exalted being, often interpreted as Lucifer.
• “You were in Eden, the garden of God” — Suggests a primordial presence, beyond human kingship.
• “You were an anointed guardian cherub” — Indicates a high-ranking angelic role, possibly overseeing worship or divine order.
• “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty” — Pride is again the root of rebellion.
• “I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God” — A dramatic expulsion from divine presence and authority.

I agree this in Ezekiel speaks of the King of Tyre and Satan . But Lucifer is a no go for me , I will give link below .

"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" — The name Lucifer (Latin for "light-bearer") is derived from the Hebrew helel, meaning "shining one" or "morning star".

THE NAME LUCIFER HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN

 

[Jay Ross]

And this is what cannot be proven from the Bible.

Actually Dan 7:2 tells us that the beasts are the four winds of heaven, i.e. fallen angels, and Daniel 8:8 repeats this understanding.

Paul in Ep 6:12 also tells us that we are fighting wicked fallen heavenly hosts which are also the beasts of Daniel 7.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Actually Dan 7:2 tells us that the beasts are the four winds of heaven, i.e. fallen angels, and Daniel 8:8 repeats this understanding.

Would you like to discern the meaning of the symbols?

Paul in Ep 6:12 also tells us that we are fighting wicked fallen heavenly hosts which are also the beasts of Daniel 7.

Who were the heavenly ruling parties who crucified Christ and sought to overthrow Paul's ministry?

 

[Jay Ross]

Would you like to discern the meaning of the symbols?

The four winds, i.e. spirits of heaven, and are wicked fallen and rebelling heaven hosts/angels.

Who were the heavenly ruling parties who crucified Christ and sought to overthrow Paul's ministry?

The dominate spiritual entity was the Little Horn who had been given an army to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The four winds, i.e. spirits of heaven, and are wicked fallen and rebelling heaven hosts/angels.

No sorry!

Symbolically, a wind denotes an army on the march (Jer. 4:11-13).

What army?

If you cannot provide Scripture to define the symbol I'm happy to leave you to your devices.

 

[pandaflower]

And this is what cannot be proven from the Bible.

You're mistaken. It is all in the Bible.

Numbers 22:22-35
But God's anger was kindled because he went, and the angel of the Lord took his stand in the way as his adversary. Now he was riding on the donkey, and his two servants were with him. And the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road, with a drawn sword in his hand. And the donkey turned aside out of the road and went into the field. And Balaam struck the donkey, to turn her into the road. Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on either side. And when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, she pushed against the wall and pressed Balaam's foot against the wall. So he struck her again. Then the angel of the Lord went ahead and stood in a narrow place, where there was no way to turn either to the right or to the left.

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[Hiddenthings]

You're mistaken. It is all in the Bible.

Numbers 22:22-35
But God's anger was kindled because he went, and the angel of the Lord took his stand in the way as his adversary. Now he was riding on the donkey, and his two servants were with him. And the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road, with a drawn sword in his hand. And the donkey turned aside out of the road and went into the field. And Balaam struck the donkey, to turn her into the road. Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path between the vineyards, with a wall on either side. And when the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, she pushed against the wall and pressed Balaam's foot against the wall. So he struck her again. Then the angel of the Lord went ahead and stood in a narrow place, where there was no way to turn either to the right or to the left.

Can you explain what you have posted?

 

[pandaflower]

Can you explain what you have posted?

It addresses what you earlier stated.

 

[Stumpmaster]

he [God] let know of his ultimatum regarding the Tree of Knowledge.

Not specified in Scripture.

The serpent could easily have worked things out from Adam and Eve's avoidance and conversations concerning the TOTKOGAE.

Divine Omniscience doesn't work against Itself, but rather Foreknows what acts of volition will take place.

 

[XtraPercept]

A word of caution: God judges the ungodly not because they know Him, but because they interfere with His plan and purpose with Creation. As the Creator and Sustainer of all life, He is fully justified in judging anyone who opposes His will.

Brother, I appreciate your post with its rich truth! I have only this question for you; is the Lord frustrated by interference with His plan?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Brother, I appreciate your post with its rich truth! I have only this question for you; is the Lord frustrated by interference with His plan?

When the Master returns to his house and finds lazy servants mistreating one another and the house in disarray, neglected and consumed by the distractions of this world what do you think his response will be?

I think, more than merely clearing out the money changers!

 

[talons]

There was no knowledge in the tree . Ya'll know this right ?

 

[Brakelite]

This is where we are at.

Matthias denies the Word as it is written and refuses to provide an answer to it, you’ve effectively removed yourself from its influence. Until you’re willing to address Genesis 3:1, you’ve lost all credibility in this discussion.

Only he can re-enter the discussion and deal with the evidence...so much!

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ”
Genesis 3:1 KJV

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“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with
him. ”
Revelation 12:9 KJV

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“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. ”
Luke 10:18 KJV

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[Hiddenthings]

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ”
Genesis 3:1 KJV

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“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with
him. ”
Revelation 12:9 KJV

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“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. ”
Luke 10:18 KJV

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Okay so you can daisy chain verses

 

[Stumpmaster]

There was no knowledge in the tree . Ya'll know this right ?

Yes, imagine if the serpent family all played in its branches, climbing and coiling here and there as they enjoyed the fact it was off limits to Adam and Eve.

 

[XtraPercept]

When the Master returns to his house and finds lazy servants mistreating one another and the house in disarray, neglected and consumed by the distractions of this world what do you think his response will be?

I think, more than merely clearing out the money changers!

His ways are lovely and perfect. Thank you.

 

[Wick Stick]

How about the giants Joshua killed. Since the flood killed the original giants. Where did they come from?

That exists but it isn't in the Bible.

There's a poem from 14th century BC Ugarit titled "Rephaim" that gives the origin. A translation (and explanation) can be read in "Stories from Ancient Canaan," by Coogan and Smith.

 

[Wick Stick]

The second person on my list would be Melchizedek.

There's a fun theory on that one.

The Genesis genealogies in the LXX are different than the ones in today's standard Bibles. There's a problem there - when you "do the math" it ends up that Methusaleh lived through the flood based on those old manuscripts.

The theory is - what if that's right? What is Melchizedek is just Abraham's g-g-g-great-grandfather.