Eternally Grateful
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Yes.
I was saved by GRACE through FAITH
there is that word Jesus used in John 3 again.
We are saved BECAUSE we are born again..
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I was saved by GRACE through FAITH
there is that word Jesus used in John 3 again.
We are saved BECAUSE we are born again..
Yes....we are saved because we are Born Again...that makes perfect sense to me.
We’re all learning the word.
Not playing into your deflections.
By Gods WILL, His WILL, His IDEA , His WAY…..He offers mankind a multitude of Options, for man to receive this, receive that, FROM God….
Because God HAS Offerings to mankind, according to Gods WILL…OF HIS, blessings, OF HIS, gifts, OF HIS rewards….God MAKES a man WITHOUT the mans knowledge, belief, consent, agreement, submission….FORCED to receive Gods Offerings….
What you completely overlook, ignore, fail to consider….
God KNEW EVERY man, BEFORE the man was naturally born. God knows WHO WILL and WHO WILL NOT, believe and submit unto Him.
God certainly DOES have the POWER to MAKE via Force against a mans will…for every man to Love Him, Obey Him, Believe in Him, Submit to Him….
But God does not…God watches what is the WILL of every individual, to make their own choice with God or against God.
That is for the mans BENEFIT…for Evidence…for the man to know and choose to be with or without God.
Gods Offerings of His Gifts, His Blessings, His Rewards to men who hear, choose, “elect”, submit unto God….ARE Gifts,, Blessings, Rewards God given that man….
By, through, of Gods will, Gods authority, Gods power.
You completely twist the facts.
Man doens’t gift Himself what God promises a man who has chosen God.
God gifts the man BECAUSE the man has Chosen God.
You are preaching man has NO obligation to Believe, Agree, Accept,
JBO
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Belief and faith are the same words in the Greek. Believing and having faith are the same words in the Greek. There is no distinction between the two. Faith and having faith is an English construct.
Stricltly speaking, There is believing someone and there is believing IN someone. Believing someone is simply a mental assent to what that someone has said or done. Believing IN someone is mental assent plus the added feature of trust In that someone. In English we equate believing In someone with having faith in that someone. In the Greek, if there could be some confusion, then like English the equivalent of IN is added.
There is no such thing or distinction between so-called God given faith and manmade faith. Faith is neither given nor made.
Faith, i.e., believing IN, comes from hearing, and hearing trough the word about Christ.
You haven’t answered one of questions..nor interpret scripture that I posted?
I am preaching God’s word and posting scripture to back it up...unlike you...the above is all of your opinion and I 100% disagree with your own manmade doctrine.which you make it say what you want to hear....sorry...I only hear through the Spirit of God.
A Born Again is by the will of God....not your manmade opinion of what it means...God’s word is crystal clear...
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.....so much scripture on it..that you have dismissed....
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Belief and faith are not the same...Faith is God given...even belief in Jesus is enabled by God ...for us to believe.
Faith comes when we are+Born Again.....we are Born Again...therefore have received the Holy Spirit into our hearts...therefore have the God given faith to walk in the Spirit.
How can you walk in faith...without the indwelling Holy Spirit.....faith comes from God...period...
Faith comes from being Born of God.....hearing the word of God....yes...when we are Being Baptised in the Spirit ....then out of that comes faith through the Spirit of God.
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JBO
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Responding to your sciolism is becoming tedious and it obviously serves no purpose whatsoever.
Opinion based.....
It’s a shame you never answer questions or scripture that I post....lacking spiritual understanding.....I’m Alive in the Spirit.....I’m not dead.....as in Spirit.
God’s Spirit is Alive in us....is it not?...comprehending. .?
2 Corinthians 3:18 ESV / 15 helpful votes
And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.A Born Again has received life....yes?
Hey, Got commentary may help your understanding as my posts are superficial to you.lol
Faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).
A gift is not earned by some good deed or kind word, and it is not given because the giver expects a gift in return—under any of those conditions, a gift would not be a gift. The Bible emphasizes that faith is a gift because God deserves all of the glory for our salvation. If the receiver of faith could do anything whatsoever to deserve or earn the gift, that person would have every right to boast (Ephesians 2:9). But all such boasting is excluded (Romans 3:27). God wants Christians to understand they have done nothing to earn faith, it’s only because of what Christ did on the cross that God gives anyone faith (Ephesians 2:5, 16). Receiving faith is a non-work (see Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed)
Hope it helps @JBO
The gift of faith is one of nine gifts of the Holy Spirit listed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. Each of these gifts is a supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit, who dwells in a believer and operates through him
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1 Corinthians 12:7-11
New International Version
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
Yet another false accusation…
Your “no, no, no” is clearly stated by you.
My denial of Gods word? Doesn’t exist.
Rockerduck
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Hello to all on this thread,
Everyone's salvation experience is different. God chooses all His children each in a different way. There is no assembly line process of salvation. I worked with Billy Graham association and heard many salvation stories and all were different. None of anybody's salvation experience matches mine. So don't argue how the way you are saved is the right way. Jesus is the author of our Faith.
Everyone's salvation experience is different. God chooses all His children each in a different way. There is no assembly line process of salvation. I worked with Billy Graham association and heard many salvation stories and all were different. None of anybody's salvation experience matches mine. So don't argue how the way you are saved is the right way. Jesus is the author of our Faith.
Commentary..Salvation is exactly the same: God's pain and effort result in our benefit. Saying that this does not occur "by blood" means it is not a natural occurrence. Saying that it is not "of the will of the flesh" means it is not a matter of human decisions. This rebirth is entirely the work of God, and according to His will.
According to God’s will...not our will.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. New Living Translation They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. English Standard Version who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. Berean Standard Bible children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. Berean Literal Bible who were born not of blood, nor of will of flesh, nor of will of man, but of God. King James Bible Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. New King James Version who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. |
You are trying to debate Gods Will to Quicken a mans spirit is without a mans agreement.
Not True.
contract of agreement outline between man and God for the salvation of ALL, WHOSOEVER WILL, ACCEPT, THE GIFT OF THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS!
Godslittleservant
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I went to bed last night to wake up to 5 new pages on this topic and all have different views and one in particular is just plain right out admittedly dismissing scripture for what it gives as the truth but clinging to some ridiculous head knowledge completely against scripture even when proven their error.There is only one truth and 2 of the other posters are close but still fall short in the truth while one seems to be quoting the truth in all scripture correctly harmonizing it all together to come to the truth in Gods word. So strange to me how we all read the same scripture and come so far apart in understanding the truth of the scripture,
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Because I want to believe, or because that's what I believe the text says?
I'm not interested in that sort of discussion, it's empty, vanity.
If you think I'm misinterpreting the verse or any verse, don't just spew poor opinions, show the math.
I'm quoting to you a simply stated passage, you can do with it what you want.
Romans 12:3 KJV
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
God has dealt a measure of faith to each.
Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
How is that faith imparted? Through the hearing of the Word.
Faith comes by hearing, and it comes from God.
Much love!
You are now saying “ quickening “... yesterday you said that being Born Again has been accomplished in you?..which means what exactly?.where in God’s word does it say, that Born Again has been accomplished in us?.....clearly you aren’t understanding Born Again....the way Jesus said it?
And you can’t skip it either and make God say something he didn’t say, by twisting the scripture for your own understanding..
Here is the Living word of God....it can’t be skipped over..and denied.
Therefore why are “YOU” denying the Living word of God...coming straight out of the mouth of Jesus?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
I have posted countless scriptures of God’s word ...that’s says... only God can give birth you by his Spirit you can kick and scream as much as you like...and say not true.
God says,,,...you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God..
You have posted no scripture yet to support your claims.
Only God can give one the rebirth...and he does it by HIS WILL....and Not “ Your will”
You cannot and have not shown in scripture .where you can” CHOOSE” to birth your spirit into his.
Spirit gives birth to spirit?
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. New Living Translation Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. English Standard Version That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Berean Standard Bible Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Berean Literal Bible That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. King James Bible That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. |
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Which is just your opinion.
Therefore no more valid than mine or anyone else’s.
@Taken
You said this below........regarding Born Again.
What confusion I say....coming from your mouth.
Taken said......Man doens’t gift Himself what God promises a man who has chosen God.
Taken said .....God gifts the man BECAUSE the man has Chosen God.
I ask...Please show me this about a Born Again in God’s word that says this?
Are you saying that you allowed God to bring your spirit Alive in Christ?
Do you understand what Alive” means?
We won’t get anywhere without what you believe the rebirth to mean.....I’ve explained what I believe it to mean.
I’m yet to see you explain Born Again....you just keep pushing it away ,every time I mention it?
You said this below........regarding Born Again.
What confusion I say....coming from your mouth.
Taken said......Man doens’t gift Himself what God promises a man who has chosen God.
Taken said .....God gifts the man BECAUSE the man has Chosen God.
I ask...Please show me this about a Born Again in God’s word that says this?
Are you saying that you allowed God to bring your spirit Alive in Christ?
Do you understand what Alive” means?
We won’t get anywhere without what you believe the rebirth to mean.....I’ve explained what I believe it to mean.
I’m yet to see you explain Born Again....you just keep pushing it away ,every time I mention it?
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Yikes…..the more you speak, the more you reveal your lack of understanding.
Quickened and Born Again are synonymous!
You can not escape the Truth…
God Offers…forgiveness, truth and forever life, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards and a Way for mankind to choose and receive Gods Offerings.
IFa man chooses TO BELIEVE In the Lord God…
And
IFa man chooses TO Call on the Lord, and CONFESS his True Belief…
THEN shall the Lord God “GIVE” to “THAT” man what the Lord God has “OFFERED”….and the man has “CHOSEN” by his WORD to Agree and Accept Gods Offering.
And BTW….the Lord Jesus Christ shall JUDGE the “the QUICK and the DEAD”.
It won’t much matter if you understand…
The QUICK have chosen God.
The DEAD have not chosen God.
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