OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Eternally Grateful]

The topic is a historical claim; being that that is the nature of the topic, in order for you to disprove the assertions made about OSAS, you have to bring historical counterclaims about OSAS.

OSAS is a term that means Once a person is Saved. they are Always Saved

Nothing is needed to counter this term except to either prove that it is true. or prove that salvation can be lost. where it came from or who created the term does not matter

Now if your going to counter a doctrine called OSAS, you will have to spell out the doctrine. Then you will have to separate all the different ways in which people interpret that doctrine.

Maybe then you need to bring history into it. but only as a means to show where it may have come from.

I have never seen an OSAS doctrine laid out. Can you show it to me?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's because you're answering a topic without knowing what you're answering, as Proverbs 18:13 warns against doing.

there needs to be a yawn emoji

He is responding to someone claiming that OSAS came from Gnosticism and my reply to it.

he does not need to know the topic to respond to that

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually you need to prove it from God's Word which is easy to do and has been done on this forum already

oh it is?

I have seen many a people try.

Can you share the specific doctrine point by point you are refuting?

If someone who is a new believe and is undecided about OSAS having just heard about it, what scripture references would you provide to them to show them OSAS is not true biblical doctrine?

Just show them that God can not be trusted. That his promises are in word only. That his death on the cross is insufficient., and that you need to work hard and hope you do not fall away

Playing videos is nice and all and there may be some great information in them, but as you may have already discovered most people are not going to sit and watch a video.

They want to see some scripture references that refute OSAS, so please do share that with the readers
lol

Again, it would help if you first post the doctrine

Gnostics can't see that their pet doctrine is not biblical since they don't accept the whole counsel of God.

I have never met a Gnostic. have you? do you even know what they teach and believe?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The gnostics demand everyone accept their false OSAS doctrine and if they don't then the gnostics claim they are not walking in grace or peace

again, have you ever met a gnostic?

No one herer that you are discussing with is a gnostic.

so why are you attacking imaginary people?

can you speak to us?

 

[Josho]

The problem with the OSAS Doctrine is what if a Christian turns their back on God to serve false gods? Are they still saved?

Now God is gracious and will go chasing after that person, however it's ultimately up to them to repent and turn back to God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The problem with the OSAS Doctrine is what if a Christian turns their back on God to serve false gods? Are they still saved?

why would a christian, who trusts everythingn God said about themselves and about eternity do this?

would this not make them an antichrist? (they now deny christ)

and did not John already tell us about these people?

Now God is gracious and will go chasing after that person, however it's ultimately up to them to repent and turn back to God.

his sheep hear his voice. and they follow him.

if they do not follow him, they were never his sheep