OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

[Jane_Doe22]

If the focus is on Christ then why u keep putting it on yourself. Jesus saves, but...... Jesus saves only if......

I"m not. I literally just said:

It's very inaccurate to say that "non-OSAS people are by default self-focused or not looking to Christ"

 

[OzSpen]

Jhn 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Jhn 5:24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Jhn 6:35-40 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Jhn 7:37-39 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Jhn 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

Rom 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Rom 8:31-39 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2Co 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2Co 5:4-6 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Phil 1:4-6 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Col 2:13-15 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

1Ti 1:16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.

Tit 1:1-2 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness— 2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Tit 3:3-8 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

Heb 6:16-20 People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. 19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

1 Pet 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

2 Pet 2:8-9 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

1 Jhn 5:9-14 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.

Jude 1:1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for a Jesus Christ:

Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let the one who hears say, "Come!" Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

Anyone can copy & paste a string of verses.

Please treat us as people & engage in conversation, incl interpretation of a verse.

 

[Heb 13:8]

You are not saying anything about following Christ. You would see following Christ as a work...which it is. It is a work that gives salvation... real salvation. Not the false assurance you are speaking of for remaining in the power of your flesh.

No, following Christ is not a work, it's a belief. we didn't work to obtain salvation, so why is it a work to keep it

 

[Heb 13:8]

I"m not. I literally just said:

I believ it is accurate. Non osas depends on their works to keep them saved, otherwise they wouldn't believe they could lose their salvation. them believing they can lose salvation is false in itself. there is nothing we can do or not do to lose it. we are buried in His death, you can't un bury yourself.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I believ it is accurate. Non osas depends on their works to keep them saved, otherwise they wouldn't believe they could lose their salvation. them believing they can lose salvation is false in itself. there is nothing we can do or not do to lose it. we are buried in His death, you can't un bury yourself.

^This is COMPLETELY inaccurate.

Again, I respect your right to believe OSAS. But please do NOT misrepresent what other people believe. You can believe in OSAS while acknowledge the truth of what other people belief (such as that non-OSAS do focus on serving Christ).

 

[Heb 13:8]

^This is COMPLETELY inaccurate.

Again, I respect your right to believe OSAS. But please do NOT misrepresent what other people believe. You can believe in OSAS without misconstruing other people's beliefs in this fashion.

Ok, but just remember that Jesus saves to the uttermost. He died for past , present and future sins. Believe and confess and you will be saved, Jhn 3:16-18, Rom 10:9. God bless

 

[Episkopos]

No, following Christ is not a work, it's a belief. we didn't work to obtain salvation, so why is it a work to keep it

A free sample is not the same as buying the product. You are only looking for the easy free stuff. An opportunist. God does not favour that kind of person. The kingdom of God costs everything we have and are.

So then you are looking for a salvation without God. You see knowing God as a work. But you just can't be bothered with lifting the tiniest finger...being slothful. What does the bible have to say about sloth?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Ok, but just remember that Jesus saves to the uttermost. He died for past , present and future sins. Believe and confess and you will be saved, Jhn 3:16-18, Rom 10:9. God bless

Do you hear me when I, as a non-OSAS believer, say that my focus is NOT on myself?

 

[Heb 13:8]

A free sample is not the same as buying the product. You are only looking for the easy free stuff. An opportunist. God does not favour that kind of person. The kingdom of God costs everything we have and are.

So then you are looking for a salvation without God. You see knowing God as a work. But you just can't be bothered with lifting the tiniest finger...being slothful. What does the bible have to say about sloth?

and to enter the kingdom, we must be like children and be humble, we work not to save ourselves but to glorify the Father

 

[Heb 13:8]

Do you hear me when I, as a non-OSAS believer, say that my focus is NOT on myself?

Many hear the Gospel,, but they do not receive it. if your focus is on Christ then why can you lose salvation

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Many hear the Gospel,, but they do not receive it. if your focus is on Christ then why can you lose salvation

Because Christ is not a jailer: I can choose to leave at any point. I'm not in jail where I have no choice. And I choose to stay again every day. Each day I renew my promises with Him. Never do I neglect Christ and let that relationship.

Sadly, I've seen others choose to leave Christ and chase idols. That was their choice: Christ didn't hold them prisoner either. And I'm not going to invalidate their past relationship with God with statements like "well, they didn't really love God...".

Each person makes the choice to come to Christ AND makes the choice to stay. This is because Christ loves us and does not hold a prisoner.

 

[Episkopos]

A better way to describe OSAS and it's adherents is...Once a sinner always a sinner. These hold to a religious definition of salvation which is devoid of life and power.

God's ways are equal...if a person can repent towards Christ they can also repent the other way. No one is forced to follow Christ.

Salvation from God is just very clearly understood by so many. Salvation is the power that causes us to live above sin.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Because Christ is not a jailer: I can choose to leave at any point. I'm not in jail where I have no choice. And I choose to stay again every day. Each day I renew my promises with Him. Never do I neglect Christ and let that relationship.

Sadly, I've seen others choose to leave Christ and chase idols. That was their choice: Christ didn't hold them prisoner either. And I'm not going to invalidate their past relationship with God with statements like "well, they didn't really love God...".

Each person makes the choice to come to Christ AND makes the choice to stay. This is because Christ loves us and does not hold a prisoner.

Right, everybody has a choice to accept His free gift, many will not accept it. the harvest is few

 

[Heb 13:8]

A better way to describe OSAS and it's adherents is...Once a sinner always a sinner. These hold to a religious definition of salvation which is devoid of life and power.

God's ways are equal...if a person can repent towards Christ they can also repent the other way. No one is forced to follow Christ.

Salvation from God is just very clearly understood by so many. Salvation is the power that causes us to live above sin.

Jesus died for the sinner, not the Pharisee. Heaven will be full of sinners and those that loved Him on this earth, those born againm those who believed

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Right, everybody has a choice to accept His free gift, many will not accept it. the harvest is few

And each person has the choice to come to Christ and to whether to STAY.

In OSAS, there is not that choice. I don't know how you specifically view those who have fallen away from the faith, but vast majority of the OSAS explanations of such happenings I find... to be rather luckluster.

 

[Heb 13:8]

And each person has the choice to come to Christ and to whether to STAY.

In OSAS, there is not that choice. I don't know how you specifically view those who have fallen away from the faith, but vast majority of the OSAS explanations of such happenings I find... to be rather luckluster.

Well if your calling God a rapist, then rape is a sin. There is no sin in God. God is love, and we respond to love

 

[Jane_Doe22]

There is no sin in God. God is love, and we respond to love

Hence why I don't believe in OSAS, and instead believe Christ always lets the person choose to be/stay by His side. Because He loves us and is the manifestation of that miraculous love.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Hence why I don't believe in OSAS, and instead believe Christ always lets the person choose to be/stay by His side. Because He loves us.

OSAS is simply the result of the finished work of the cross. Jesus died on the cross out of love,

 

[Jane_Doe22]

OSAS is simply the result of the finished work of the cross. Jesus died on the cross out of love,

I 100% acknowledge and celebrate Christ's actions on the cross.

But because I believe Christ (being ever loving) gives us the choice to come/stay with Him, I cannot accept OSAS (wherein that choice whether to stay doesn't exisit).

 

[Heb 13:8]

Hence why I don't believe in OSAS, and instead believe Christ always lets the person choose to be/stay by His side. Because He loves us and is the manifestation of that miraculous love.

So if we are buried into His death, wouldn't His love and anointing be unconditional. If we could do it ourselves there would be no reason for sanctification, discipline and godly sorrow. I don't about you but I could never die for the sins of the whole world.