Right, we have the choice to sin and repent daily. Those actions have nothing to do with believing in Rom 10:9. Believing is a one time event, sanctification is the life long process. i don't know of any believer that would want to give up the free gift, it sounds like they never had it to begin with
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Right, we have the choice to sin and repent daily. Those actions have nothing to do with believing in Rom 10:9. Believing is a one time event, sanctification is the life long process. i don't know of any believer that would want to give up the free gift, it sounds like they never had it to begin with
@Heb 13:8 do you believe a person have the CHOICE to stay with Christ? Do they have the option to say "no thank you" and walk out the door?
A believer does not have the option to be unsealed from God, so they contienue to love Him
I realize that this statement is going to horribly offend you, but to explain my views. Again, I respect that you views are different than mine.
I don't stay with God because I'm a prisoner that have no choice but to stay and love Him. Rather, I (and every other believe) could choose to walk out that door any minute. No one forces me to love Christ or stay in a relationship with Him. Rather, I choose to love Him of my own free will, and I choose to stay with Him. And choose to continually hug Him back as He hugs me.
Again, I respect that you believe OSAS. I'm not trying to change your mind there. I'm just explain why I personally do not.
In clinal psychology, that's^ called Stockholm Syndrome.
I don't stay with God because I'm a prisoner that have no choice but to stay and love Him. Rather, I (and every other believe) could choose to walk out that door any minute. No one forces me to love Christ or stay in a relationship with Him. Rather, I choose to love Him of my own free will, and I choose to stay with Him. And choose to continually hug Him back as He hugs me.
Again, I respect that you believe OSAS. I'm not trying to change your mind there. I'm just explain why I personally do not.
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Not really. That would only be true for those who are not really children of God.
Jane, no believer in their right mind would want to give up their salvation. Give up eternal life for what, the lake of fire? That's not biblical. We are thankful for the gift. Those who don't understand this never experience His anointing or the indwelling HS
You're playing the "no true Scotsman" card. I don't play that card.
And I don't believe that a caged love like OSAS is the greater love. The greater love is given when someone chooses to be there.
I don't play that card either. His love is free, not caged. We chose to believe Rom 10:9. You are most free when you're in Christ.
John 8:36 New International Version (NIV)
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Believers resting in His finished work is being free. Coming to faith is the best decision you will ever make in this lifetime
Matthew 11:28-30 New International Version (NIV)
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Again: you're playing "no true Scotsman", and ignoring that OSAS denies a person freedom to leave.
only to the nonbeliever is God a cage. if you believe not my testimony, believe God's 1 Jhn 5:9-14
It actually does. Whoever has the son has eternal life. Believers in Christ are the most free people on earth because they are no longer condemned for their sin. That's what forgiveness does
Present tense beleivers. Those that choose to believe and stay with Christ- those that are free.
Nothing about that choice being removed or Stockholm syndrome. Nothing about "no true Scotsman" of "they weren't really saved" when someone falls away.
It's Sock hold sydrome to those who haven't had a taste of His love. One taste is all it takes. Kidnapping is a sin. God is without sin. He is love
I have said no such thing nor do I believe such a thing.
I acknowledge that OSAS is a belief wherein a person's ability to choose to stay with God is removed-- something you yourself acknowledged. I have also said repeated how I do not believe in OSAS because God is NOT a jailer.
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