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But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
There are spiritual forces at work that your mocking tone will only encourage.
You can remain confident in yourself...but it is ignorance that you are exhibiting.
Unless God holds back the full force of the deceiver....until you are ready to overcome it...you will not be able to bear up.
Humility is key.
Pride comes before a fall precisely because God let's you take on the forces that you think you can handle.
How else can you teach a spoiled child?
So many suffer from HDD (Humility deficit disorder)
To this point....that is off topic...
I see this reference to:
A great house being; any house where men "committed' to the Lord are IN such house...
Be the house...called a Temple, Church, a private Home.
They, (because they are committed) are equaled to something of Value, that has been Purified, thus the Honor, ...using Gold and Silver as an example.
However ALSO in the same house are men WHO ARE NOT "committed" to the Lord...
They, while IN the House have made no confession of "commitment"...and are equaled to something that shall turn to dust and ash, void of purification and honor.
God Bless,
Taken
Hey dude, IF you are feeling MOCKED, that's on you. You can credit yourself for how you feel. I said thanks for sharing your thoughts and the thoughts of others.....but eh, changes nothing for me....AND THAT...MADE YOU FEEL MOCKED. I FIND "THAT" amusing.
Oh good grief....stop babbling on with your accusations, name calling and feelings.....
You want to disagree with ANYTHING I have said......Identify it., quote it, disagree with it.
Anyone can babble on and on and make accusations....Like you have....
You want to preach all men have to make a CHOICE "between" The Lord Jesus and Barabbas'....
That's YOU.
I acknowledged your teaching, thanked you for sharing your teaching...I don't have to Accept your teaching.
My Lord gave me the Option to Accept Him "above" ALL other "gods" and ALL other "people" and "created" things... there was NO caveat of someone named "Barabbas".
Thank you for Revealing your immaturity.... that if one does not follow YOUR TEACHING....they have not overcome.... LOL
Dude....you need to learn...YOU ARE not the one who dictates WHO HAS or HAS NOT OVERCOME.
You should try using that KEY.
You are the one accusing, name calling, and have Pride in YOUR THOUGHTS....That is about YOU, not me.
You might try Looking in a Mirror, while pointing your finger and speaking all "your" thoughts and accusations that apply to "yourself", before trying to Pretend you are the all knowing Judge over others.
So why not put on your big boy pants, and identify something specific I have said you disagree with, without all the namecalling and accusations, that babes do?
God Bless,
Taken
Satan? That is a Jewish "fable".
I don't think anyone would discern any mockery in your response. You are truly sober minded here.
I believe it is in reference to the house of God. As in..."judgment begins at the house of God"
Taken said: ↑Could you clarify your comment?
What are you sorry for?
And what Emperor are you talking about?
God Bless,
Taken
John 3:16Disagree.
Your interpretation is saying DEATH means DESTRUCTION.
I disagree.
Then you define DEATH, as TOTAL, diminishment "OF" Life, which I disagree, is completely True.
God Bless,
Taken
Total destruction means annihilation. You can be certain of that, no caveats.As long as we are clear that total destruction does NOT mean Annihilation but eternal ruin in eternal torment.
There are a lot of Annihilationists around claiming that *perish* and *destroy* (Greek apollumi) mean evaporation. That is simply false.
Why is the Lake of Fire (Gehenna) located in *outer darkness*? Because God will not tolerate sin and evil to be present within the New Heavens and the New Earth. Hades will be obliterated from the heart of the earth ("cast into the Lake of Fire" since it is no longer needed), and Hell (Gehenna) will be banished outside space into *outer darkness*, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. This is eternal conscious torment, and a warning to every sinner to repent and be converted.
Here is you quote Taken. In particular what I have highlighted.
Hell is/are the final purging fires that will purify the Earth. Everything that loves and creates sin will be destroyed including death.And upon "their physical bodily death", their living soul is "CAST" TO OUTER Darkness.
Completely VOID, of Gods Light.
Hell.
A place THEIR living soul experiences, the "agony" of BEING...separated from Gods Light/Glory/Comfort/Opportunity.
Okay.
And how would you describe the experience of an unsaved soul in hell?
God Bless,
Taken
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Notice the words 'perish' and 'eternal life'. These are juxtaposed.
The word 'perish' has the same end result as destroy or die.
The words 'eternal life' in scripture never imply an existence in misery.
To make these terms mean anything else than the obvious is propagating Satans lie which makes the propagator a false prophet.
It is a play on words you are pursuing Taken, to justify a view that is not supported by scripture (the word of God)I do not see perish and destroy as the same.
My view is;
Perish is death,
....a Vessel VOID of Life
Or
....a Vessel separated From God.
Or both.
Destroy is the burning to ash, a vessel, VOID of Life And Separated From God.
God Bless,
Taken
Hell is/are final the purging fires that will purify the Earth. Everything that loves and creates sin will be destroyed including death.
Folk who have rejected the offer of Life, ie, those who who do not want forgiveness, those who are in determined opposition to God will reap what they've sown. With sin they have sown death. They will be punished according to their works. These will perish in the final purging fires of earth.
The proclamation by Jesus describes this vividly
Revelation 21:5-8
'He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death.”
Out of interest, the first death is what we experience now. The scripture calls it a sleep because it is not final. All, at the apportioned time will be resurrected. For those to life it will be eternal, for those to death it will be the end of the road. The scripture calls this the second death as described above. They will be consumed along with the Devil and his angels in the fires (the lake of fire/hell) which burns till there is no more to burn. They will perish. The Earth is cleansed of everything that creates disfunction (sin and sinners).
Their torment will be in proportion to their rebellion. The lake of fire is the earth wrapped in flame and when all is consumed and there is no more to consume God will recreate the earth as described in Revelation 21.
@Episkopos
Epi, I still do not know your true position on your thread for Outer Darkness (OD) based on your writings here. And I noticed you did not give much credit to folks that really had valuable inputs like especially, @Stranger @GodsGrace , @Taken and @VictoryinJesus I thought they had insights that might have refined your view of OD.
Let me explain: There are 3 passages in Matthew that speaks to OD as you said. Besides this you kept on with the two Jesus,’ the Bema seat and the scapegoat sent off wandering in the wilderness, the wandering stars and the blackness of darkness. Can you logically and plainly relate all these ideas from scripture into one cohesive thought? Curious minds would like to know like myself.
This means that the then current remaining Judahites of the earthly sons of the Kingdom who did not believe in Christ would die in their sins and go to the OD. Many other non-kingdom tribes will believe and possess the ’new’ Kingdom.
BL: IT is all about unbelievers that knew of salvation, yet not in Christ, that go to the OD, outside the new Kingdom.
Wedding garments indicate true believers. This man had no wedding garment. He was a fake believer that thought to enter into the Kingdom his own way and not God’s way.
BL: IT is all about unbelievers again who knew of salvation and not in Christ, that go to the OD, outside the new Kingdom.
The Bank/bench a place of trade and risk for increasing value, is the place where one places his initial faith (money/silver) out from his own will and trusts God’s will to increase his faith exponentially.
The servants that trusts in the Bank of increased faith therefore gains more faith. They see their master as loving, kind and understanding. They have faith in him. The servant with little faith does not trust his master and thinks he is cold, harsh and cruel. He believes in his own meager faith and hides it into himself, buries it in the place of the dead. This is the unbeliever. He is a disgrace and useless to his master.
BL: the unbeliever knowing about salvation although not in Christ, go to the OD, and not any true believer.
So, I cannot see where you might get the idea that some true believers go to the OD
Blessings,
APAK
It is a play on words you are pursuing Taken, to justify a a view that is not supported by scripture (the word of God)
A dangerous manoeuvre.