Paul taught that revelation 20:4 is a present reality

[Ronald D Milam]

Okay and what does John say the antichrist spirit is and what does John say that the purpose of the antichrist is?

The anti-Christ spirit is any voice against God. He was here before Satan was ever created because God is perfect, so anything against God will is Anti-God or the anti-christ spirit. Christ is God. Lucifer was seduced by a lie, the anti-christ spirit, when in his heart he said I will be like the most high God. God is a Spirit, so is the anti-God......anti-christ.....he called it a spirit remember? Satan was a created being, the anti-God/anti-Christ spirit is eternal. Actually most people have no understanding of thus concept, most preachers do not even understand it. Its pretty simple really, God is eternal, and he's a spirit, anything against God is also eternal and a spirit of evil. Its way beyond our comprehension in full tbh. What made me see it was one day I understood it was called "A SPIRIT" an I was like, of course, something had to seduce Satan.

Now what does John say that the sea beast of revelation is and what does John say the sea beast purpose is?

The Beasts that came out of the Sea wee allowed by God to bring Israel unto Repentance, when Israel went away for nigh 2000 years so did the Beast system, the LAST BEAST however unlike all of the other Beasts will never pass his kingdom on to another person, so instead of a Nation being the Beast like Babylon, Greece or Rome the 7th Head will be ONE MAN who both arises as the Beast and is cast into hell as the Beast. As Dan. 7:11 says.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev. 19 says the exact same thing, the False Prophet and BEAST are cast into Hellfire.

When he arises Israel will repent. Then Jesus will slay him.

John shows that they are different beings with different purposes what’s so hard to understand and accept about that?

They are the same brother. I have been called unto this for 37 years, a lot of people are indeed confused by all this, I only started getting it in full 5 or 6 years ago. God decided to bless my hard work and prayers.

 

[Marty fox]

The anti-Christ spirit is any voice against God. He was here before Satan was ever created because God is perfect, so anything against God will is Anti-God or the anti-christ spirit. Christ is God. Lucifer was seduced by a lie, the anti-christ spirit, when in his heart he said I will be like the most high God. God is a Spirit, so is the anti-God......anti-christ.....he called it a spirit remember? Satan was a created being, the anti-God/anti-Christ spirit is eternal. Actually most people have no understanding of thus concept, most preachers do not even understand it. Its pretty simple really, God is eternal, and he's a spirit, anything against God is also eternal and a spirit of evil. Its way beyond our comprehension in full tbh. What made me see it was one day I understood it was called "A SPIRIT" an I was like, of course, something had to seduce Satan.


The Beasts that came out of the Sea wee allowed by God to bring Israel unto Repentance, when Israel went away for nigh 2000 years so did the Beast system, the LAST BEAST however unlike all of the other Beasts will never pass his kingdom on to another person, so instead of a Nation being the Beast like Babylon, Greece or Rome the 7th Head will be ONE MAN who both arises as the Beast and is cast into hell as the Beast. As Dan. 7:11 says.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev. 19 says the exact same thing, the False Prophet and BEAST are cast into Hellfire.

When he arises Israel will repent. Then Jesus will slay him.



They are the same brother. I have been called unto this for 37 years, a lot of people are indeed confused by all this, I only started getting it in full 5 or 6 years ago. God decided to bless my hard work and prayers.

If they are the same then how come Daniel 7 shows that the fourth beast is cast into the fire but the other three beast are allowed to still live for a while and then as you say this same beast of revelation (which has these there beast within it) is cast into the lake of fire? If they are the same then how do these three beast escape if they are within it?

They can’t be the same beast

 

[Marty fox]

I dont consider killing a pig desecrates anything. It was created by God just like any other animal and offering it to something that doesn't exist doesn't desecrate a rock its slaughtered on.
If anyghing I would say the person who thinks they are offering up to a false God is perverted or just a complete idiot.

PS, I ate ham for breakfast. Do you thi k that desecrate God's temple?

So once again are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies desecrated the temple alter?

 

[Timtofly]

If we’ve been made alive, then that is resurrection.
Question is does this only apply to the ecclesia.

Those currently in Paradise, a part of heaven, have already been made alive. You are not in a permanent incorruptible physical body. You are in Adam's dead flesh. The body is quickened by the Spirit, but not physically resurrected.

Any physical resurrection certainly does not currently apply to those souls in sheol. They are still called the dead at the GWT. And many on earth are currently dead both physically in Adam's flesh, and spiritually, not yet born into God's family and certainly not quickened by the Holy Spirit. Just because Adam's flesh is still alive, does not mean it is not dead. It is temporary and corruptible. And it only returns to dust. It is only quickened while still physically alive. After that it returns to dust, and any bones will be burned up at some point.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well I don’t see the second coming in that text but it is the judgement day.

Daniel 7 has two views of the future (to the time of the text) the vision of the ancient of days and the vision of the son of man man coming on the clouds too heaven.

These two visions are to give hope to the people living in those times that Daniel was writing about showing them to persevere and that God will overcome in the end just like the hope the book of revelation gives us

Marty you don't want to acknowledge the second coming seen below in Daniel 7:10, because it destroys your claims in Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC being Daniel's (Little Horn), we all know well the second coming is "Future"

Yes Daniel 7:10 is exactly the same event in the second coming as seen in the presented verses below, "Fact"!

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

If they are the same then how come Daniel 7 shows that the fourth beast is cast into the fire but the other three beast are allowed to still live for a while and then as you say this same beast of revelation (which has these there beast within it) is cast into the lake of fire? If they are the same then how do these three beast escape if they are within it?

They can’t be the same beast

Because the other three are not spoken of as living on into the New Millennium, they are being spoken of as World kingdoms.

1.) Babylon's DOMINION was taken away (as a Beast Kingdom) but lived on for a time & season, and we know this is true because Alexander the Great died in the Babylon that he loved it so much. 2.) Greece is still a kingdom today, BUT its not a Beast power, its Dominion has been taken away but its been allowed to remain. 3.) Rome lost her DOMINION, but is still around in the form of Italy. 4.) Persia as we all know is Iran.

What God does with these two verses is show us how the Man Beast will be treated differently, because he is a man, whereas the other Beasts remained, this MAN will be cast straight into hell.

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Babylon was allowed to live a bit longer, but she had to become a dead city because God promised she would eventually go away. Persia is Iran, Greece is still Greece and Rome is Italy.

God has His ways with riddles.

The Little Horn and the Last Beast Head are the SAME.........The Anti-Christ.

The Other Beasts are DIFFERENT, they are Kingdom nations.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

So once again are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies desecrated the temple alter?

He did indeed defile the temple.....I just did a post that explains every verse from Dan. 11:21-35 HERE (BELOW) on this site. And why Dan. 8:9-12 is the Anti-Christ. But Daniel 11:36-45 can not be Antiochus, but is also the Anti-Christ.

Timing of the abomination of desolation

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A demonic being influencing Rome and it’s leaders mainly Nero

A demo being influencing mainly apostate Israel

A devotion to Nero Cesar being devoted to him (mark on the head) and don’t his will (mark on the right hand)

Well that is your take of it, but that is not what Scripture says in its inspired writing!

You have allegorically reappliede the scriptures and redefine what it says!

 

[shilohsfoal]

So once again are you rejecting that Antiochus Epehanies desecrated the temple alter?

That's what I said. I don't see a man killing an animal as a desecration. It happens everyday and killed a few myself.
I know the Pharisees taught that it's a desecration but I'm not a pharisee.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty you don't want to acknowledge the second coming seen below in Daniel 7:10, because it destroys your claims in Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC being Daniel's (Little Horn), we all know well the second coming is "Future"

Yes Daniel 7:10 is exactly the same event in the second coming as seen in the presented verses below, "Fact"!

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

I love how people keep telling me what I think on this site.

It doesn't destroy my claim about Antiochus I see it as the judgement day which is just after the second coming. Its a vision into the far future showing that all who oppose God will be judged

 

[Truth7t7]

I love how people keep telling me what I think on this site.

It doesn't destroy my claim about Antiochus I see it as the judgement day which is just after the second coming. Its a vision into the far future showing that all who oppose God will be judged

Marty do you see a future literal coming of Jesus Christ in the verses below?

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty do you see a future literal coming of Jesus Christ in the verses below?

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Yes in all of those verses except Daniel which I believe is right after the second coming at the judgement day as described below

Daniel 7:9-10
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

You see the thrones are set in place and the Father took His seat and a court case starts as the books are opened. This is the same time as the verses below

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Both text have books which are opened this is the judgement day.

Don’t you think that the river of fire in Daniel is the lake of fire in revelation?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes in all of those verses except Daniel which I believe is right after the second coming at the judgement day as described below

Daniel 7:9-10
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

You see the thrones are set in place and the Father took His seat and a court case starts as the books are opened. This is the same time as the verses below

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Both text have books which are opened this is the judgement day.

Don’t you think that the river of fire in Daniel is the lake of fire in revelation?

Marty all verses below previously provided show the Lord's second coming in fire, the same exact event

"It's my opinion" you exclude Daniel 7:10 from this to make way for your preterist teachings of 70AD fulfillment, the same way that you deny the second coming is seen in Matthew 24:29-31, by removing the literal seen with "symbolic allegory" in a claimed judgement upon Israel in 70AD

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

The future literal is removed in your symbolic allegory, with claims it represents a judgement upon Israel in 70AD, "Real Big Smiles" :)

1.) Denial Daniel 7:10 is the future second coming of the Lord in fire

2.) Denial Matthew 24:30 is the visible, literal, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Matthew 24:29-21KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Marty fox]

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[Marty fox]

Marty all verses below previously provided show the Lord's second coming in fire, the same exact event

"It's my opinion" you exclude Daniel 7:10 from this to make way for your preterist teachings of 70AD fulfillment, the same way that you deny the second coming is seen in Matthew 24:29-31, by removing the literal seen with "symbolic allegory" in a claimed judgement upon Israel in 70AD

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

The future literal is removed in your symbolic allegory, with claims it represents a judgement upon Israel in 70AD, "Real Big Smiles" :)

1.) Denial Daniel 7:10 is the future second coming of the Lord in fire

2.) Denial Matthew 24:30 is the visible, literal, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

Matthew 24:29-21KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then Your opinion is wrong because I believe Daniel 7 has nothing to do with a 70AD fulfilment. I just said that I believe it’s the judgement day after the second coming.

Let’s look at these again and see when they happen

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Daniel 7:9-10
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

Both text have

A throne with the Father sitting on it

A great multitude of people standing before the throne

Books which are opened

Flowing fire

These are the exact same times which revelation shows is after the end of our world

 

[Truth7t7]

Then Your opinion is wrong because I believe Daniel 7 has nothing to do with a 70AD fulfilment. I just said that I believe it’s the judgement day after the second coming.

Let’s look at these again and see when they happen

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Daniel 7:9-10
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

Both text have

A throne with the Father sitting on it

A great multitude of people standing before the throne

Books which are opened

Flowing fire

These are the exact same times which revelation shows is after the end of our world

Marty the second coming is the firey stream "Before Him" the Lord is coming in fire behind the fire stream, same as all the other verses below clearly teach

You can claim the second coming isn't seen all you want, all the verses below are the same event in the Lord's second coming in fire, that you deny is seen in Daniel 7:10 below

The Lord returns with thousands and thousands of his ministering angels "With His Mighty Angels"

The scripture presented is basic, 6th grade reading comprehension is exaggerating

You quickly identify pre-tribbers misusing 1 Thess 4:16-17 to claim a pre-trib rapture, and your in the same ballpark with Daniel 7:10 & Matthew 24:30

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty the second coming is the firey stream "Before Him" the Lord is coming in fire, same as all the other verses below

You can claim the second coming isn't seen all you want, all the verses below are the same event in the Lord's second coming in fire, that you deny is seen in Daniel 7:10 below

The Lord returns with thousands and thousands of his ministering angels "With His Mighty Angels"

The scripture presented is basic, 6th grade reading comprehension is exaggerating

You quickly identify pre-tribbers misusing 1 Thess 4:16-17 to claim a pre-trib rapture, and your in the same ballpark with Daniel 7:10 & Matthew 24:30

Daniel 7:10KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Revelation 20:7-15
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Judgment of the Dead

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


Verse 9 above is the second coming followed by the judgement day

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 20:7-15
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Judgment of the Dead

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


Verse 9 above is the second coming followed by the judgement day

Marty you also deny the future visible, literal, second coming is seen below, as you claim this isn't a literal, visible, coming of the Lord, but its a 70AD judgment upon Israel, hard to believe

The best illustration of the literal, visible, second coming in scripture below, and you deny its seen

2.) Denial Matthew 24:30 is the visible, literal, second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

Matthew 24:29-21KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[ewq1938]

If they are the same then how come Daniel 7 shows that the fourth beast is cast into the fire but the other three beast are allowed to still live for a while and then as you say this same beast of revelation (which has these there beast within it) is cast into the lake of fire? If they are the same then how do these three beast escape if they are within it?

They can’t be the same beast

There are many differences between what Daniel saw and what John saw. They are definitely not matching visions. Also, Daniels beast is slain before being burned while John's beast is cast alive into the fire. I see it as being the same beast but one is an older prophecy no longer valid while John's is the newest version of the prophecy of the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

Verse 9 above is the second coming followed by the judgement day

Verse 9 is not the second coming. Revelation 19 is and there's no fire.