Pentecostalism: The Glorification of the Flesh

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rockytopva

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If there is no interpreter present... they should not be speaking out loud in tongues at all.

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. - 1 Corinthians 14:38

Do you know what forbid not means? It means to not disallow it! However... Unfortunately... There are folk out there who need spoken to when they are out of order. Which does not happen with good hearted folk.
 

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But... Are Yankees good hearted folk?
 

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Why callest man good , there is ONE WHO IS Good , that IS GOD .
man is evil from his youth up . Cling to CHRIST , learn of HIM , be dug in the scriptures .
MUCH WAILING will be heard on the DAY of the LORD . it wont be the sheep wailing but rather the goats .
 
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And a good example of the upbringing of good hearted Virginian Pentecostal Holiness folk was the pastor Charles Stanley... In which it is also reminded by many here in Virginia of his quality Virginian background...

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Amen.

Robert , we all read you post that you are terminal and have entered Hospice.

Your hatred and contempt for faith practices you know little about is a tragedy.

With genuine compassion and sincerity of heart, Robert, is this how you want to be remembered? And spend the time you have left?
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I would like to be remembered as a defender of the marvelous Gospel of Jesus Christ. Which you apparently think is worthless.
 

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And a good example of the upbringing of good hearted Virginian Pentecostal Holiness folk was the pastor Charles Stanley... In which it is also reminded by many here in Virginia of his quality Virginian background...

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I dont know much at all about charles stanley . BUT I DO know his SON IS A TOTAL SELL OUT . Heed not that man .
Andy has went down a wicked path under the guise of a false love and false humility. HEED HIM NOT .
 

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And a good example of the upbringing of good hearted Virginian Pentecostal Holiness folk was the pastor Charles Stanley... In which it is also reminded by many here in Virginia of his quality Virginian background...

charlesstanley-home-hero.webp
Appears to be a good looking Pharisee.
 

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And a good example of the upbringing of good hearted Virginian Pentecostal Holiness folk was the pastor Charles Stanley

Gnarly Charlie... taught one could live in sin and still be saved!

Is that how the Pentecostal Holiness folks roll these days clueless-scratching.gif

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)


He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)



In this video, Gnarly Charlie says he's proud of Andy and supports him after heresy charges



Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

 
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Gnarly Charlie... taught one could live in sin and still be saved!

Is that how the Pentecostal Holiness folks roll these days View attachment 41398

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)


He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)



In this video, Gnarly Charlie says he's proud of Andy and supports him after heresy charges



Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

that is some scary stuff indeed my friend .
 

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The purpose of tongues, which are foreign languages, was to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world.
1Co 14:18-19 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. (19) But in the ekklesia, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Conduct noted.
 
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1Co 14:18-19 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. (19) But in the ekklesia, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Conduct noted.
The Corinthians were a troublesome group for Paul. At one time he threatened to beat them with a stick. The Corinthians got hung up on their tongues experience rather that the message that was in the tongues, which was the Gospel.
 

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Charles Stanley... Brought up Danville Virginia Pentecostal Holiness... I had family members come to Christ listening to the guy and lived our their lives good Christian Virginians. In which makes me proud.
 

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And repeating the same Pentecostal Holiness experience here in old Virginie.... This time Methodist... I passed my examinations and that year I was sent to the Wytheville Station and Circuit. That was adjoining my former charge. We reached the old parsonage on the pike just out of Wytheville as Rev. B. W. S. Bishop moved out. Charley Bishop was then a little tow-headed boy. He is now the learned Regent of Southwestern University. The parsonage was an old two-and-a-half-story structure with nine rooms and it looked a little like Hawthorne's house with the seven gables. It was the lonesomest-looking old house I ever saw. There was no one there to meet us, for we had not notified anybody of the time we would arrive.

Think of taking a young bride to that sort of a mansion! But she was brave and showed no sign of disappointment. That first night we felt like two whortleberries in a Virginia tobacco wagonbed. We had room and to spare, but it was scantily furnished with specimens as antique as those in Noah's ark. But in a week or so we were invited out to spend the day with a good family, and when we went back we found the doors fastened just as we had left them, but when we entered a bedroom was elegantly furnished with everything modern and the parlor was in fine shape. The ladies had been there and done the work. How much does the preacher owe to the good women of the Church!

The circuit was a large one, comprising seventeen appointments. They were practically scattered all over the county. I preached every other day, and never less than twice and generally three times on Sunday.

I had associated with me that year a young collegemate, Rev. W. B. Stradley. He was a bright, popular fellow, and we managed to give Wytheville regular Sunday preaching. Stradley became a great preacher and died a few years ago while pastor of Trinity Church, Atlanta, Georgia. We were true yokefellows and did a great work on that charge, held fine revivals and had large ingatherings.

The famous Cripple Creek Campground was on that work. They have kept up campmeetings there for more than a hundred years. It is still the great rallying point for the Methodists of all that section. I have never heard such singing and preaching and shouting anywhere else in my life. I met the Rev. John Boring there and heard him preach. He was a well-known preacher in the conference; original, peculiar, strikingly odd, but a great revival preacher.

One morning in the beginning of the service he was to preach and he called the people to prayer. He prayed loud and long and told the Lord just what sort of a meeting we were expecting and really exhorted the people as to their conduct on the grounds. Among other things, he said we wanted no horse- trading and then related that just before kneeling he had seen a man just outside the encampment looking into the mouth of a horse and he made such a peculiar sound as he described the incident that I lifted up my head to look at him, and he was holding his mouth open with his hands just as the man had done in looking into the horse's mouth! But he was a man of power and wrought well for the Church and for humanity.

The rarest character I ever met in my life I met at that campmeeting in the person of Rev. Robert Sheffy, known as "Bob" Sheffy. He was recognized all over Southwest Virginia as the most eccentric preacher of that country. He was a local preacher; crude, illiterate, queer and the oddest specimen known among preachers. But he was saintly in his life, devout in his experience and a man of unbounded faith. He wandered hither and thither over that section attending meetings, holding revivals and living among the people. He was great in prayer, and Cripple Creek campground was not complete without "Bob" Sheffy. They wanted him there to pray and work in the altar.

He was wonderful with penitents. And he was great in following up the sermon with his exhortations and appeals. He would sometimes spend nearly the whole night in the straw with mourners; and now and then if the meeting lagged he would go out on the mountain and spend the entire night in prayer, and the next morning he would come rushing into the service with his face all aglow shouting at the top of his voice. And then the meeting always broke loose with a floodtide.

He could say the oddest things, hold the most unique interviews with God, break forth in the most unexpected spasms of praise, use the homeliest illustrations, do the funniest things and go through with the most grotesque performances of any man born of woman.

It was just "Bob" Sheffy, and nobody thought anything of what he did and said, except to let him have his own way and do exactly as he pleased. In anybody else it would not have been tolerated for a moment. In fact, he acted more like a crazy man than otherwise, but he was wonderful in a meeting. He would stir the people, crowd the mourner's bench with crying penitents and have genuine conversions by the score. I doubt if any man in all that conference has as many souls to his credit in the Lamb's Book of Life as old "Bob" Sheffy.

At the close of that year in casting up my accounts I found that I had received three hundred and ninety dollars for my year's work, and the most of this had been contributed in everything except money. It required about the amount of cash contributed to pay my associate and the Presiding Elder. I got the chickens, the eggs, the butter, the ribs and backbones, the corn, the meat, and the Presiding Elder and Brother Stradley had helped us to eat our part of the quarterage. Well, we kept open house and had a royal time, even if we did not get much ready cash. We lived and had money enough to get a good suit of clothes and to pay our way to conference. What more does a young Methodist preacher need or want? We were satisfied and happy, and these experiences are not to be counted as unimportant assets in the life and work of a Methodist circuit rider. - George Clark Rankin
 

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The Old Oxford Holy Club....

Jeering college students scoffed at these "Methodists" who tried to systematically serve God every hour of the day. The club members set aside time for praying, examining their spiritual lives, studying the Bible, and meeting together. In addition, they took food to poor families, visited lonely people in prison, and taught orphans how to read. Members of the organization celebrated Holy Communion frequently and fasted on Wednesdays and Fridays until 3 pm. Fellows of the Holy Club also studied and discussed the Greek New Testament as well as the Classics.

If they reappeared today on American college campus' they'd be banned, accused of any number of listed phobias, , called intolerant nazis, and likely expelled if they persisted.
 
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Pentecostalism is a very subjective religion, it is all about you. Much like Catholicism. Christianity is not about us, its about Jesus Christ and what he has done to reconcile us and the world unto God. Pentecostals are like derailed trains. They are off on the wrong track. Their focus should be on Jesus Christ, his life, his death, his resurrection, instead it is about their marvelous subjective experience.