Perfection

[GEN2REV]

But some of us can't fast because we have low blood sugar and would get very sick.

That's not entirely true, but yes. It is difficult.

I am borderline diabetic, dad is fully diagnosed. I have only ever gone 3 full days on only water, but it isn't easy. I've never had any serious issues from it, though, and I've seen docs and read lots about how beneficial it is for your system - even for diabetics.

But there are also multiple different kinds of fasts. I happen to be on a liquid-only fast right now. Having only water and different broths. But it's much less calories than I usually intake for sure.

It's hard to get the mind used to it more than anything, in my experience, but once you begin to manage that part, it becomes surprisingly easy. I can go almost 2 days, if I stay busy - keep my mind occupied, without even thinking of food in a hunger-sense - even while picking up or serving food to others. It's amazing what you can achieve in the right mindset - God-focused - and the clarity of mind while on a fast is like nothing else.

Thoughts are purified like the body feels after an intense cardiovascular workout. Really, really good for you and boosts your immune system immensely.

The amount of untold trash chemicals and unhealthy additives that saturate all foods today are unimaginable. Your body thanks you when you go without for even a day or two.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

#1. You don't have a clue what I did with my day.

#2. You couldn't be more wrong about my thoughts today.

#3. The very fact that you insist all humans live each day as you described in this post is an indication of how depraved, and far, you are from God.

That's a shame.

Another reason why it's so important for Christians to study their Bibles daily. A brief conversation with somebody like you could destroy their faith in Christianity. And, sadly, it's people like you who have destroyed many people's faith with your shallow opinions of the Power of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's life. Often it is the young Christians whose faith is drowned out by Professors of Theology and Pastors and Preachers in positions of perceived authority who have no measure of true faith at all.

A conversation with somebody like me might just give some hope to Christian Newbies who have been badly taught by Lordship Salvationists and other Legalists who are Grace Deniers and don’t really preach or Believe the “ Good News” That Jesus actually DID die for ALL of their Sins and live lives full of fear and lack of Assurance and fail to Realize that they are not saved by their Performance, the main parts being “ Sure, Jesus Saves—— BUT you will go to Hell if you sin on purpose or die with any unrepented sins on your performance ledger.....90% Of “ Christians” ADD to the Gospel Of Pure Grace and are “ Fallen From Grace” and are just as confused as the World as to what that designation means and don’t even know it ......

My purpose here is to spread the Good News That Salvation is ALL about what God has done for Lost , Sinful men and NOT what man does for God......I am here to enlighten people to the fact that the song that they have mindlessly sung all of their lives is really True —— it really * IS* , “ Nothing But The Blood”——- add to that fact in regard to getting Saved and Staying Saved and you have crossed the line——- You are “ Fallen From Grace” ( Read Galatians chapter Five to see what the designation Really means).....some very good Bible Teachers equate it to Damnation.....let's hope that is not true or that “ Narrow Gate “ is REALLY “ Narrow”......If you are not RESTING in the Gospel , just read Hebrews 3 and 4—-God, not me, accuses you of “ Disobedience and UNBELIEF”.......serious stuff ........May God grant us all Wisdom in these matters.....God Bless.....

 

[GEN2REV]

A conversation with somebody like me might just give some hope to Christian Newbies who have been badly taught by Lordship Salvationists and other Legalists who are Grace Deniers and don’t really preach or Believe the “ Good News” That Jesus actually DID die for ALL of their Sins and live lives full of fear and lack of Assurance and fail to Realize that they are not saved by their Performance, the main parts being “ Sure, Jesus Saves—— BUT you will go to Hell if you sin on purpose or die with any unrepented sins on your performance ledger.....90% Of “ Christians” ADD to the Gospel Of Pure Grace and are “ Fallen From Grace” and are just as confused as the World as to what that designation means and don’t even know it ......

My purpose here is to spread the Good News That Salvation is ALL about what God has done for Lost , Sinful men and NOT what man does for God......I am here to enlighten people to the fact that the song that they have mindlessly sung all of their lives is really True —— it really * IS* , “ Nothing But The Blood”——- add to that fact in regard to getting Saved and Staying Saved and you have crossed the line——- You are “ Fallen From Grace” ( Read Galatians chapter Five to see what the designation Really means).....some very good Bible Teachers equate it to Damnation.....let's hope that is not true or that “ Narrow Gate “ is REALLY “ Narrow”......If you are not RESTING in the Gospel , just read Hebrews 3 and 4—-God, not me, accuses you of “ Disobedience and UNBELIEF”.......serious stuff ........May God grant us all Wisdom in these matters.....God Bless.....

Well, you can tell 'em what the Bible teaches, Bloodbought, or you can tell 'em what you think will make them feel good. It's up to you.

Jesus didn't go around telling anybody what He thought would make 'em feel good.

Yeah, of course it's a challenge when you first get saved to resist temptations, but if you strive for it daily, as you should, it becomes easier. And, as I stated previously, the Holy Spirit can help you do absolutely anything you need to do. Especially those things that please God.
Philippians 4:13

" ... go forth and sin no more."
John 8:11
"Sin no more or something worse will happen to you."
John 5:14
"... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Philippians 2:12
"... he who endures to the end will be saved."
Matthew 24:13
"...we are partakers of Christ 'IF' we hold the beginning of our confidence (faith) stedfast unto the end;"
Hebrews 3:14
"... after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise."
Hebrews 6:15
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love Him."
James 1:12 (Them that love Him will fight for the reward.)


The foundational concept of being a Christian is to live as Christ lived. He committed not one single sin in all of His life upon the earth. We have HIS Spirit dwelling within us to help us to achieve the same. Yes, of course He knows it is a challenge - that's the point. Those who love Jesus enough to detach from worldy distractions and passions and attachments enough will become much more capable of living as He lived.

Do you know that even Paul did not consider himself to have 'achieved' the perfection that he believed it took to receive the crown of salvation?
Philippians 3:12
James 1:12

You may think you're helping those who have been misled by Christian extremist groups, but you're not helping anybody if you tell them it's ok to sin, certainly not if you lead them to believe they can live in habitual sin, or sinful lifestyles.

What does the Bible say? Sin separates you from God.
Isaiah 59:2
Romans 6:23

Is that what you want to make people more comfortable with?

 

[ScottA]

Perhaps the Lord wants us to learn how sin destroys our lives.

Well, sure...but that is not what the sign is about.

 

[ScottA]

True sin is hurting somebody —— and liking it.....I’ll take a homosexual that knows how to be kind to others over somebody with a mean spirit anytime.....

I have gay friends too, not a problem. But that doesn't mean we consider the lesser of two evils as a way to walk the Christian walk. We still need to be prepared to answer the subject as Jesus might, to be honest, and stand against all such evil when the situation calls for it.

 

[Davy]

You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48 RSV

I frequently hear people say that it is impossible not to sin. I know we’ve all sinned but I don’t know why we can’t stop.

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

Rom 3:9-12
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.'
KJV
(see Psalms 14, one place Paul was quoting that from)


Rom 3:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
KJV

Rom 5:18-21
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
KJV

Then there's Romans 7 by Apostle Paul which nails it...

Rom 7:14-23
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
KJV

 

[amadeus]

If you don't sin, then you don't sin. I don't know if anyone of us is there yet, but I certainly don't think it is impossible.

Amen! To say it is impossible would be to deny the power of God!

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible" Mark 10:27

 

[GEN2REV]

Then there's Romans 7 by Apostle Paul which nails it...

Rom 7:14-23
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
KJV

Davy, we agree on a lot of things, but this is something that most Christians seem to miss, or just cannot accept for some reason.

There is intentional sinning, just as the Bible states that it is the sin you commit knowingly that is the transgression; (Psalm 19:13; Hebrews 10:26; Leviticus 4:2-3) and then there is slipping, stumbling - James calls it offending. (James 3:2) These two events are not the same in God's eyes.

Romans 7 is depicting unintentional sin. It is sin that we can confess, repent of and pray for God to remove permanently from our lives.

Those who go on sinning intentionally, because they have been taught that Jesus died for every sin they will ever commit til the end of their lives, are committing a great offense toward God and the Holy Spirit and are separating themselves from their only Savior.

Those who do this because they have been taught that Jesus is all-loving and all-forgiving and He will simply pat them on the head and say "I know you can't control yourself, I love you anyway and will take you with Me to heaven anyway." are woefully deceived and will be among those who will say, "Lord, Lord and be directed to His left as goats and workers of iniquity who, by their actions and lifestyles, led many to do the same.

 

[marks]

I have had to start from the beginning on these posts.....I am responding to some posts having not read yours first....sorry for any and all duplications....

I do the same thing. I'll respond to an OP, and find someone else has responded just the same!

:)

 

[GEN2REV]

Still nobody has even touched my proposal from post #61.

What sin is impossible to avoid? We can take 'em one at a time.

This is NEWS to a great many Christians. So, let's discuss.

 

[marks]

Those who do this because they have been taught that Jesus is all-loving and all-forgiving and He will simply pat them on the head and say "I know you can't control yourself, I love you anyway and will take you with Me to heaven anyway." are woefully deceived and will be among those who will say, "Lord, Lord and be directed to His left as goats and workers of iniquity who, by their actions and lifestyles, led many to do the same.

Rather, He'll do exactly as promised in Hebrews 12, providing effective discipline. Jesus lives in us sanctifying us, not just "patting our heads" as we continue in the ways of death. He came to bring us life.

Much love!

 

[Bob Estey]

After the Cross it’s 1John3:23——-“Believe and Love” .....you need to get yourself familiar with the new and improved deal.....

You can't blot out the two great commandments.

 

[Bob Estey]

That's not entirely true, but yes. It is difficult.

I am borderline diabetic, dad is fully diagnosed. I have only ever gone 3 full days on only water, but it isn't easy. I've never had any serious issues from it, though, and I've seen docs and read lots about how beneficial it is for your system - even for diabetics.

But there are also multiple different kinds of fasts. I happen to be on a liquid-only fast right now. Having only water and different broths. But it's much less calories than I usually intake for sure.

It's hard to get the mind used to it more than anything, in my experience, but once you begin to manage that part, it becomes surprisingly easy. I can go almost 2 days, if I stay busy - keep my mind occupied, without even thinking of food in a hunger-sense - even while picking up or serving food to others. It's amazing what you can achieve in the right mindset - God-focused - and the clarity of mind while on a fast is like nothing else.

Thoughts are purified like the body feels after an intense cardiovascular workout. Really, really good for you and boosts your immune system immensely.

The amount of untold trash chemicals and unhealthy additives that saturate all foods today are unimaginable. Your body thanks you when you go without for even a day or two.

It IS entirely true. If I go too long without eating, I get extremely ill.

 

[Bob Estey]

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

Rom 3:9-12
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.'
KJV
(see Psalms 14, one place Paul was quoting that from)


Rom 3:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
KJV

Rom 5:18-21
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
KJV

Then there's Romans 7 by Apostle Paul which nails it...

Rom 7:14-23
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
KJV

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing, so I feel I must say that nothing Paul says can overturn what Jesus said.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus lives in us sanctifying us ... as we continue in the ways of death.

Continue in the ways of death, then, I guess.

Revelation 22:11

 

[marks]

Continue in the ways of death, then, I guess.

Revelation 22:11

That's not what I wrote, but I see your attitude, and I'm not interested.

Much love!

 

[marks]

No one is perfect. But living without intentional sin is not as difficult as it is regularly made out to be.

Yes, we all have sins from prior to being saved. That is a given.

Again, unintentional sin, slipping, stumbling, James 3:2 - is fairly common, but it is not even close to impossible for those who wholeheartedly commit themselves to endeavoring not to intentionally sin.

What sin is impossible to avoid? We can take 'em one at a time.

This is NEWS to a great many Christians. So, let's discuss.

No sin is impossible to avoid, yet no one avoids all sin.

Try to stay between the ditches.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Davy, we agree on a lot of things, but this is something that most Christians seem to miss, or just cannot accept for some reason.

There is intentional sinning, just as the Bible states that it is the sin you commit knowingly that is the transgression; (Psalm 19:13; Hebrews 10:26; Leviticus 4:2-3) and then there is slipping, stumbling - James calls it offending. (James 3:2) These two events are not the same in God's eyes.

Romans 7 is depicting unintentional sin. It is sin that we can confess, repent of and pray for God to remove permanently from our lives.

Those who go on sinning intentionally, because they have been taught that Jesus died for every sin they will ever commit til the end of their lives, are committing a great offense toward God and the Holy Spirit and are separating themselves from their only Savior.

Those who do this because they have been taught that Jesus is all-loving and all-forgiving and He will simply pat them on the head and say "I know you can't control yourself, I love you anyway and will take you with Me to heaven anyway." are woefully deceived and will be among those who will say, "Lord, Lord and be directed to His left as goats and workers of iniquity who, by their actions and lifestyles, led many to do the same.

Lot of Churches today one won't actually get a real teaching in all of God's Word. And the mark of a true Church is that God's Holy Writ is taught there.

 

[Davy]

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing, so I feel I must say that nothing Paul says can overturn what Jesus said.

You mean you don't know if I refuse to believe your claim that we can actually be perfect like Jesus, and without sin?

I DO... refuse to believe that, because in the Matthew 5:48 verse, Jesus is commanding us to be perfect as our Father in Heaven, but He didn't say that was possible.

Matt 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
KJV

So because Apostle Paul in Romans 7 showed that is not possible for us in the flesh, then how does it not... contradict what our Lord Jesus said? Easy! Lord Jesus was commanding us to TRY and be perfect, not that we can become our 'own' Christ, because if you even think... you can be perfect without sin like Lord Jesus, then it would mean you don't need Him, and that you are your own God, and we well know that is not true.

So please, no ideas that suppose we cannot outdo Lord Jesus and become our 'own' Christ.

And just so you know, I am well aware of how some hidden occult mystics that have sneaked into some pulpits are teaching that very lie, that we can become perfect and be our own Christ. Those are antichrists that are teaching that junk. The occult mystic thinks by doing mystical exercises and communing with God through meditation and ritual religious worship, that he can reach spiritual perfection, like Buddha, Krishna, etc. Those things are traps, and that's all.

 

[Bob Estey]

You mean you don't know if I refuse to believe your claim that we can actually be perfect like Jesus, and without sin?

I DO... refuse to believe that, because in the Matthew 5:48 verse, Jesus is commanding us to be perfect as our Father in Heaven, but He didn't say that was possible.

Matt 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
KJV

So because Apostle Paul in Romans 7 showed that is not possible for us in the flesh, then how does it not... contradict what our Lord Jesus said? Easy! Lord Jesus was commanding us to TRY and be perfect, not that we can become our 'own' Christ, because if you even think... you can be perfect without sin like Lord Jesus, then it would mean you don't need Him, and that you are your own God, and we well know that is not true.

So please, no ideas that suppose we cannot outdo Lord Jesus and become our 'own' Christ.

And just so you know, I am well aware of how some hidden occult mystics that have sneaked into some pulpits are teaching that very lie, that we can become perfect and be our own Christ. Those are antichrists that are teaching that junk. The occult mystic thinks by doing mystical exercises and communing with God through meditation and ritual religious worship, that he can reach spiritual perfection, like Buddha, Krishna, etc. Those things are traps, and that's all.

Jesus told us we have to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. Was he wrong?